Good article on the Newsweek fiasco

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By DAVID BROOKS

Published: May 19, 2005

Maybe it won't be so bad being cut off from the blogosphere. I look around the Web these days and find that Newsweek's retracted atrocity story has sent everybody into cloud-cuckoo-land. Every faction up and down the political spectrum has used the magazine's blunder as a chance to open fire on its favorite targets, turning this into a fevered hunting season for the straw men.

Many of my friends on the right have decided that the Newsweek episode exposes the rotten core of the liberal media. Dennis Prager, who is intelligent 99 percent of the time, writes, "Newsweek is directly responsible for the deaths of innocents and for damaging America." Countless conservatives say the folks at Newsweek were quick to believe the atrocity tales because they share the left-wing, post-Vietnam mentality. On his influential blog, Austin Bay writes that the coastal media "presume the worst about the U.S. military - always make that presumption."

Excuse me, guys, but this is craziness. I used to write for Newsweek. I know Mike Isikoff and the editors. And I know about liberals in the media. The people who run Newsweek are not a bunch of Noam Chomskys with laptops. Not even close. Whatever might have been the cause of their mistakes, liberalism had nothing to do with it.

Meanwhile, the left side of the blogosphere has erupted with fury over the possibility that American interrogators might not have flushed a Koran down the toilet. The Nation and leftish Web sites are in a frenzy to prove that the story is probably true even if Newsweek is retracting it.

This, too, is unhinged. Would it be illegal for more people on the left to actually be happy that a story slurring Americans may turn out to be unproven? Could there be a few more liberals willing to admit that prisoners routinely lie about their treatment? (Do we expect them to say their time in captivity wasn't so bad?)

Then I click my mouse over to the transcripts of administration statements and I can't believe what I'm seeing. We're in the middle of an ideological war against people who want to destroy us, and what have the most powerful people on earth become? Whining media bashers. They're attacking Newsweek while bending over backward to show sensitivity to the Afghans who just went on a murderous rampage.

Talk about the bigotry of low expectations.

Maybe we should all focus on what's important. Newsweek's little item was seized and exploited by America's enemies in a way that was characteristically cynical, delusional and fascistic.

The people who seized upon this item, like the radical clerics in Afghanistan, are cynical in the way they manipulate episodes like this to whip up hatred and so magnify their own standing.

At the same time, they believe everything that could be alleged about America - and more. They've spent so many years inhabiting a delusional mental landscape filled with conspiracy theories and paranoia that you could drill deep into their minds without ever touching reality.

Finally, they are strategically ruthless. Jeffrey Goldberg of The New Yorker, who has spent years reporting on extremists, says they use manufactured spasms of hatred to desensitize their followers. After followers spend a few years living through rabid riots and vicious sermons, killing an American or a Jew or even a fellow Muslim seems no more consequential than killing a mosquito. That's how suicide bombers are made.

The rioters are the real enemy, not Newsweek and not the American soldiers serving as prison guards. Just to restore some proper perspective, let me quote a snippet from a sermon delivered by Sheik Ibrahim Mudeiris, which ran last weekend on the Palestinian Authority's official TV station:

"The day will come when we will rule America. The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world - except for the Jews. The Jews will not enjoy a life of tranquillity under our rule because they are treacherous by nature, as they have been throughout history. The day will come when everything will be relieved of the Jews - even the stones and trees which were harmed by them. Listen to the Prophet Muhammad, who tells you about the evil end that awaits Jews. The stones and trees will want the Muslims to finish off every Jew."

These are the extremists, the real enemy. Let's keep our eye on the ball.
 

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what is with these a--holes?


i disagree with the writer...the media....the mainstream media....are also the enemy of this administration....and by proxy,the military and the country`s best interests...

they actually expect.....they expect the administration to sit by while unverified stories are published that further besmirch the military...coming after abu ghraib.... ...without the usual journalistic checks and balances...stories that now have been retracted....

do they expect the administration to laugh this stuff off?

they expect the administration to sit back while the media piles on....further damaging the u.s.`s image around the world...making whatever battle for hearts and minds there is,much more difficult to wage....

the katrina vanden heuvels of the world are still quoting detainees` stories of abuse...when it`s a proven fact that the detainees are instructed by their leaders to claim mistreatment and religious persecution....it`s a part of their "terrorist manual" ...

suppose that american media/bbc were really funded and supported by the muslim brotherhood, and openly opposed to the united states...... how much would the coverage differ?

answer: not much....


now,as an aside.....the media is circulating photos of saddam in his underwear ......this coming on the heels of the newsweek b.s......

unreal....the enemy within...

i hate these pompous,anti- american, elite jerk-offs...
 
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Newsweek made a big mistake, but the attitude of some seems to have drifted from 'what are those ragheads getting all worked up about, who cares if they were placed in a naked pile of other men' to 'the media is to blame for reporting on abuses.'

The writer above is correct. Newsweek is not 'directly responsible' for deaths. Liberals *should* be happy that this apparently didn't happen, but don't seem to be. The government should have better things to do than whine about the media.

It's quite funny, the admin getting on Newsweek for it's weak sources. About 70% of the so-called evidence of WMD were culled from ONE very weak, very shady Iraqi source.
 

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1st lets take a look at the author of this piece of work--we'll my goodness to no surprise a left wing author from the NYT.
NO SHIT I agree with one point Newsweek was pale in comparison what he and his did running prison scandel 53 straight days.
Want to read some more of his "middle of the road articles--and a little about tis fellow---
http://www.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/davidbrooks/

counterpoint-----

The Battle Over Newsweek's Bogus Koran Story Continues...

Thursday, May 19, 2005

By Bill O'Reilly



The battle over "Newsweek's" bogus Koran story continues. That is the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo."

This morning, the left-wing print press unleashed a bevy of editorials blaming the Bush administration for "Newsweek's" situation. These articles were eerie. They were so similar and followed the lead of The L.A. Times yesterday.

Reading these editorials is like walking through a liberal theme park. The New York Times says "It has been a year since the very real problem behind the article, the systematic abuse and deliberate humiliation of mainly Muslim prisoners -- came to light through the Abu Ghraib (search) disaster."

The Baltimore Sun picks up the theme. "Given what we...know about prisoner intimidation and abuses at U.S. detention centers, such an act [abusing the Koran] would hardly be surprising."

Over at The Minneapolis Star-Tribune, they're on the same page. "Newsweek editors appear to have accepted that responsibility. They should not have; the White House is simply changing the subject from abuse at Guantanamo to Newsweek's journalism."

And we'll wrap it all about with this from The Oregonian. "The lasting damage to the nation's image has come from years of reports of prisoner abuse in Iraq."

And you don't think there's a liberal media cabal in America? Come on! These editorials sound like they're all written by the same person who says, hey, forget about the bogus story that may have killed people, the Bush administration caused everything. And that mindset is echoed by some in the electronic media.
 

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it amazes me that some expect the administration to roll over and take it in the ying yang from the media.....without defending themselves....

when some of these stories are apparently either fabrications or extremely poorly sourced....

they not only hurt the administration...they hurt the country...
 

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Strange thing is no one said much the first 4 days it was available on new stands. I wonder who got the ball rolling. I also wonder what publication they used to hate enough to do 9/11. Guys these folks don"t need excuses it's religion based.
 

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Leave it to the libs to find a way to defend Newsweek. It never fails, regardless of the guilt, you guys defend the indefensible. It's a cronic disease.

And, yes, fuqk the towel-heads for going nuts. They are below life-level.
Oh, and the Afghanistan "Amerikan" puppet already is blasting the U.S. military. He sure did learn how to be a populist in a hurry.
 

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Nosigar, who here is defending Newsweek? Unless I'm misinterpreting something, even the more left-leaning folks here have all come down against Newsweek.
 

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Yeah, who's defending Newsweek?

Also,

Wayne, i've pointed out this bad habit of yours before, but nothing changes. Is there anything in particular about what Brooks says in his article that you disagree with?

Instead of scurrying to google every time an article is posted, and summarily dismissing it based on political predilection, i'd love to hear what you find to be inaccurate.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
1st lets take a look at the author of this piece of work--we'll my goodness to no surprise a left wing author from the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/davidbrooks/


I rarely read the NYT-except briefly every now and then at a cafe I go to sometimes where discarded papers are left all over the tables- and I certainly don't subscibe to their internet paper. I don't think you do either Wayne, as i'm almost positive you've mentioned that you don't.

I've vaguely heard of Brooks and have no idea which way he leans. But you direct us to the NYT site to check out all his liberal work. The only problem is that you have to subscibe to read them. Here are the headlines of his articles with a very brief lead-in. Now you tell me which of these are soooo liberal. Hell, maybe they are, but we wouldn't know by the title of the articles.

So, if you *do* have access to the full articles, please cut and paste them. Otherwise, quit being deceiving.

Some of them seem likely to be pro-republican. Some I have no idea. Some don't seem to even be political. The one I cited above blasted liberals, conservatives and the admin.



May 22, 2005
The Senate's Quavering Middle
A last minute deal to avert the nuclear option in the senate comes undone. ...


May 19, 2005
Bashing Newsweek
And forgetting the real enemy. ...


May 15, 2005 $
Meet The Poor Republicans
Last week the Pew Research Center came out with a study of the American electorate ...


May 12, 2005 $
A Turning Tide for Bolton
Usually the bug dies. When a presidential nominee is treated like an ant under a ...


May 8, 2005 $
Calling Democrats' Bluff
Don't take people at their word. Don't listen to them when they tell you how to be ...


May 5, 2005 $
Stuck In Lincoln's Land
On Sept. 22, 1862, Abraham Lincoln gathered his cabinet to tell them he was going to ...


May 1, 2005 $
Let's Make A Deal
Bill Frist should have taken the deal. Last week, the Senate Democratic leader, Harry ...


April 28, 2005 $
Mourning Mother Russia
Vladimir Putin gave a bizarre speech this week in which he described the fall of the ...


April 24, 2005 $
Living Longer Is the Best Revenge
The release of a report in The Journal of the American Medical Association indicating ...


April 21, 2005 $
Roe's Birth, and Death
Justice Harry Blackmun did more inadvertent damage to our democracy than any other ...
 

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"So, if you *do* have access to the full articles, please cut and paste them. Otherwise, quit being deceiving"

Posting his mojo from "his own papers website" is deceiving????
Then what would selective partial quotes,chopped quotes-ect that the liberal press and Micheal Moore constantly do be classified as.

Now to the part of what I disagree with--he is in with editorial section of NYT who are the most prolific at half truths and one sided editorials being quoted by Algezeera constantly to promote firing up the radicals and terrorist---then finishes his article with--

"These are the extremists, the real enemy. Let's keep our eye on the ball."

yes "extremist" aided by the liberal press--who continuely dog our military and leaders--reafirming "in print" all the propaganda Algazeera and other terrorist supporters use to support their cause and nulify the goodwill factors that we have accomplished there.

To be quite honest I did like his article--it just the fact that it comes from NYT that sets me off. As matter of fact he is their token conservative on staff--and I will have to admit fault here by dissing the writer/article solely because it is from NYT. I should be more objective. My Appologies!!!
 
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Maybe Nosigar thought I was defending N Week. Not really. My point is anything anyone writes is a lame excuse for the nuts. Lets face it they been nuts along time. Should have N Week not written anything. Yes not till they had proof. I just don't believe in censor ship if the story is correct. Look at how the Army manipulated the Pat Tillaman story. Who OK'd that hold back in the administration. Wheres the outrage over that story. There should be more folk's P'd off about that.
 

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Kosar,

I applaud you for finding this excellent editorial by Dave Brooks.

DTB's knee-jerk response completely proves the author's point!
DTB apparently did not actually READ the article before popping off about the "liberal media" yet one more time.

BOTH the left and right wing idealogues in this country are missing the ball completely and I see no hope of anything changing.
 

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Nosigar said:
Leave it to the libs to find a way to defend Newsweek. It never fails, regardless of the guilt, you guys defend the indefensible. It's a cronic disease.

And, yes, fuqk the towel-heads for going nuts. They are below life-level.
Oh, and the Afghanistan "Amerikan" puppet already is blasting the U.S. military. He sure did learn how to be a populist in a hurry.

Newsweek should do a story on why the "religion of peace" goes berserk when reports of a Koran flushed down the toilet

apparantly the "religion of peace" justifies murder and terrorism after a Koran is flushed

what ever happened to this investigative journalism? why are they not exploring it and why is Newsweek constantly berating and belitting Christians when behavior like this comes out of the Fasciist Muslims?
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
--and I will have to admit fault here by dissing the writer/article solely because it is from NYT. I should be more objective. My Appologies!!!
I guess you fall victim to the same instinct towards NYT as I towards O'Reilly and some of his ilk. I appreciate that we can both see this and that our genuine goal is to more objectivel. :)
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Posting his mojo from "his own papers website" is deceiving????

Ummm, no. Posting that this was just another liberal rant is deceiving. Especially when, as you say, he is actually a conservative.

But seriously, thanks for acknowledging those things. :)
 

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dr. freeze said:
and why is Newsweek constantly berating and belitting Christians

I'm no expert on Newsweek, so it would be interesting to hear how they 'constantly belittle Christians.' Thanks man.
 
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