Before anyone starts bitching, I'm pretty sure life in prison without parole won't exactly be a treat for this fella.
Life in prison for Moussaoui
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Agreed. In his mind (and mine), I'm sure it's worse than the death penalty, as he will not die a martyr...just someones prison biyatch. Might be the right call, as he was not an actual participant in 9-11, despite all his courtroom hysterics and attempts to be looked at as a main cog in it. Seven days of deliberation...probably a very tough decision for the jurors.
I've got no prob with it---other than maybe terrorist trying to leverage hostages for his release--his only other chance of seeing daylight is very remote and that being they rule down the road a pres can serve a 3rd term--and then he'd still have to raise about $250,000 
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That was my only concern, as well. But ya had to go and throw Clinton in there again, didn't ya?
Lay off the man, Finster. Clinton has everything to do with Zarqawi's prison sentence.bjfinste said:
Must be funny inside DTB's head. Like at least half of his grey matter is clogged with Clinton neurons. Sort of a strange version of terets syndrome.
Thought it was rather was rather amusing myself
Come on now--admit it --did you get just a small chuckle out of it.
Come on now--admit it --did you get just a small chuckle out of it.
DOGS THAT BARK said:I've got no prob with it---other than maybe terrorist trying to leverage hostages for his release--his only other chance of seeing daylight is very remote and that being they rule down the road a pres can serve a 3rd term--and then he'd still have to raise about $250,000
Yes, of course. Marc Rich, the multi-millionaire money launderer who got rich directly off of the Iran-Contra 'thing', who certain elements seem to have no problem with.
Selling arms to Iran. No problem. Selling wmd to Saddam. No problem. Selling arms to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. No problem.
Reagan cutting and running after Beirut. No Problem.
Marc Rich, an agent helping the Reagan illegal Iran-Contra 'situation' along being pardoned? PROBLEM!
should never have been a criminal trial....and we got what we deserved....at a venue that,i don`t think,has ever given the death penalty....even in a trial in which a drug lord murdered a witness...
a waste of money and effort...
the handling of this guy, like so many other events since 9/11, are clear indications of whether or not we're serious....
it's crystal clear to me that we are not.
if we are to fight a war, then by all means let us get on with it with the appropriate seriousness, with a willingness to be absolutely ****ing ruthless when it comes to the enemy.....
if we are not going to fight a war, then let`s stop these half-measures which are squandering american lives and treasure for no good purpose.....
any nation that treats one of the war criminals responsible for/involved in/with knowledge of 9/11 as a criminal defendent and, even then, cannot summon the will to execute him is simply not a serious nation.
we will reap the whirlwind for our un-seriousness, just as france and britain did in 1940. ...
anybody think that bin laden and al zarqawi are sitting arounsd saying,"america is really fair"......or,do you think they are saying"america is weak and without will...they`ll fold eventually just as they di in viet nam".....???
"America, you lost!" Mr. Moussaoui shouted as he was led from the courtroom after the verdict was announced."
and who can argue with this piece of shit?...not me. ...
a waste of money and effort...
the handling of this guy, like so many other events since 9/11, are clear indications of whether or not we're serious....
it's crystal clear to me that we are not.
if we are to fight a war, then by all means let us get on with it with the appropriate seriousness, with a willingness to be absolutely ****ing ruthless when it comes to the enemy.....
if we are not going to fight a war, then let`s stop these half-measures which are squandering american lives and treasure for no good purpose.....
any nation that treats one of the war criminals responsible for/involved in/with knowledge of 9/11 as a criminal defendent and, even then, cannot summon the will to execute him is simply not a serious nation.
we will reap the whirlwind for our un-seriousness, just as france and britain did in 1940. ...
anybody think that bin laden and al zarqawi are sitting arounsd saying,"america is really fair"......or,do you think they are saying"america is weak and without will...they`ll fold eventually just as they di in viet nam".....???
"America, you lost!" Mr. Moussaoui shouted as he was led from the courtroom after the verdict was announced."
and who can argue with this piece of shit?...not me. ...
GW,
Stop being a drama queen. Do you really think that Moussaoui's 'cohorts' will be emboldened by this life sentence?
If anything, they were rooting for his execution and the martyrdom and 'glory' that they could sell that that comes with it.
Jesus H. Christ. (does anybody know where the 'H' comes from?)
Stop being a drama queen. Do you really think that Moussaoui's 'cohorts' will be emboldened by this life sentence?
If anything, they were rooting for his execution and the martyrdom and 'glory' that they could sell that that comes with it.
Jesus H. Christ. (does anybody know where the 'H' comes from?)
Wikipedia says....
This article discusses the phrase "Jesus H. Christ". For information about the historic and religious figure, visit Jesus.
Jesus H. Christ is an example of slang serving as a mild, joking curse. The expression is most commonly used in a wry, sarcastic, cynical, or joking tone, although it may nonetheless be perceived as blasphemy, being a variation of "Jesus Christ". The expression jokingly implies that the "Christ" in "Jesus Christ" is a surname rather than a title ("Christ", meaning anointed, is Greek for "Messiah"). The expression dates to at least the late nineteenth century (although according to Mark Twain it was already old in 1850), and likely originates with the ancient Christian three-letter symbolism IHS (the Christogram).
The phrase "Jesus H. Christ" has been extended in many cases, both as a colloquialism, and in its use in television and film. For example, in the comedy The Blues Brothers, a 1980 film starring John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd, Jake Blues (Belushi) exclaims, "Yes! Yes! Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, I can see The Light!" in a moment of fervor.
Etymology
Using the name of "Jesus Christ" as an oath has been common for centuries, but the precise origins of the letter H in the expression Jesus H. Christ are obscure. Whilst many explanations have been proposed, some serious and many humourous, the most widely accepted derivation is from the divine monogram of Christian symbolism, IHC or IHS. One factor in the transmutation of the monogram into the expression Jesus H. Christ may be that when the first syllable of the phrase "Jesus Christ" is strongly emphasised (as some speakers of some English accents may do when cursing), the rhythm suggests a missing middle syllable between "Jesus" and "Christ". The H may have been adopted from the monogram to fill this gap.
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Christogram
The IHS or JHS Christogram
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The IHS or JHS Christogram
The Christogram symbol is derived from the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, iota-eta-sigma-omicron-upsilon-sigma or ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Here the Greek letter eta was interpreted as the letter H in the Latin-speaking West (Greek eta and Latin-alphabet H had the same visual appearance and shared a common historical origin), while the Greek letter sigma was either interpreted as the Latin letter C (due to the visually-similar form of lunate sigma common in medieval Greek), or was interpreted as Latin S (since these letters of the two alphabets wrote the same sound). Because the Latin alphabet letters I and J were not systematically distinguished until the 17th-century, JHC and JHS are completely equivalent to IHC and IHS.
Since IHS already long ago gave rise to the pseudo-explanation Iesus Hominum Salvator (Latin for "Jesus savior of men"), it is plausible that JHC gave rise to "Jesus H. Christ".
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Speculations
There is a range of speculation on the origin of the expression, often as folk etymologies or in jest. Among the more common are:
* that the H stands for "Harold" or "Howard", as in "Our Father, who art in Heaven, HAROLD be thy name" (instead of "...hallowed be thy name"). Similarly in England, a common joke is that the H is for Henry - the letters INRI, seen on crosses and some graves, are a rough approximation of the Cockney "Henry".
This article discusses the phrase "Jesus H. Christ". For information about the historic and religious figure, visit Jesus.
Jesus H. Christ is an example of slang serving as a mild, joking curse. The expression is most commonly used in a wry, sarcastic, cynical, or joking tone, although it may nonetheless be perceived as blasphemy, being a variation of "Jesus Christ". The expression jokingly implies that the "Christ" in "Jesus Christ" is a surname rather than a title ("Christ", meaning anointed, is Greek for "Messiah"). The expression dates to at least the late nineteenth century (although according to Mark Twain it was already old in 1850), and likely originates with the ancient Christian three-letter symbolism IHS (the Christogram).
The phrase "Jesus H. Christ" has been extended in many cases, both as a colloquialism, and in its use in television and film. For example, in the comedy The Blues Brothers, a 1980 film starring John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd, Jake Blues (Belushi) exclaims, "Yes! Yes! Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, I can see The Light!" in a moment of fervor.
Etymology
Using the name of "Jesus Christ" as an oath has been common for centuries, but the precise origins of the letter H in the expression Jesus H. Christ are obscure. Whilst many explanations have been proposed, some serious and many humourous, the most widely accepted derivation is from the divine monogram of Christian symbolism, IHC or IHS. One factor in the transmutation of the monogram into the expression Jesus H. Christ may be that when the first syllable of the phrase "Jesus Christ" is strongly emphasised (as some speakers of some English accents may do when cursing), the rhythm suggests a missing middle syllable between "Jesus" and "Christ". The H may have been adopted from the monogram to fill this gap.
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Christogram
The IHS or JHS Christogram
Enlarge
The IHS or JHS Christogram
The Christogram symbol is derived from the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, iota-eta-sigma-omicron-upsilon-sigma or ΙΗΣΟΥΣ. Here the Greek letter eta was interpreted as the letter H in the Latin-speaking West (Greek eta and Latin-alphabet H had the same visual appearance and shared a common historical origin), while the Greek letter sigma was either interpreted as the Latin letter C (due to the visually-similar form of lunate sigma common in medieval Greek), or was interpreted as Latin S (since these letters of the two alphabets wrote the same sound). Because the Latin alphabet letters I and J were not systematically distinguished until the 17th-century, JHC and JHS are completely equivalent to IHC and IHS.
Since IHS already long ago gave rise to the pseudo-explanation Iesus Hominum Salvator (Latin for "Jesus savior of men"), it is plausible that JHC gave rise to "Jesus H. Christ".
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Speculations
There is a range of speculation on the origin of the expression, often as folk etymologies or in jest. Among the more common are:
* that the H stands for "Harold" or "Howard", as in "Our Father, who art in Heaven, HAROLD be thy name" (instead of "...hallowed be thy name"). Similarly in England, a common joke is that the H is for Henry - the letters INRI, seen on crosses and some graves, are a rough approximation of the Cockney "Henry".
hey kosar...3,000 people died...were incinerated or fell 100 stories to their deaths...
and i`m a drama queen....
you and your ilk are exactly who i`m speaking of..
the jury found that he was part of the plot to fly a plane into the white house, that he was sane and that he was an effective member of al qaeda...... they DIDN`T CARE about making him a martyr......
and yet, the most he deserved is life.
unbelievable.
9 jurors found that his tough upbringing and abusive father were mitigating factors?
if beatings from your father are mitigating factors,then i have a license to kill...
more of YOUR liberal bullshit...
this is the legacy of treating terrorism and war like a regular crime....
we are fighting people that are accustomed to having body parts chopped off for petty theft and this is what we give for being part of an act of war?...THE MURDER OF 3,000 PEOPLE ON AMERICAN SOIL?
what kind of message DO YOU think these people are going to take away from this?
the idjits who voted for life have made america weaker.......
i hope they can sleep at night and when they do they dream of the dead they have forsaken....
if he is still drawing breath in prison 10 years from now(reading the f-cking koran),that's still 15 years longer than todd beamer, jason dahl, sandy bradshaw, and 2900+ others have drawn breath ...
IMO, that is a clear failure of america's seriousness ...
wait and see...down the road..after the fuss dies down...
besides getting 3 hots and a cot...probably at some point down the line(with the aclu`s help),he`ll gain library priveleges and maybe even internet access...for the appeals process..or some other legal b.s....
wouldn`t shock me a bit...
he`ll be a hero to many in prison..
i pray he doesn`t kill or maim a guard...and i pray that some other monsters don`t take hostages to barter for his release....
and i`m a drama queen....
you and your ilk are exactly who i`m speaking of..
the jury found that he was part of the plot to fly a plane into the white house, that he was sane and that he was an effective member of al qaeda...... they DIDN`T CARE about making him a martyr......
and yet, the most he deserved is life.
unbelievable.
9 jurors found that his tough upbringing and abusive father were mitigating factors?
if beatings from your father are mitigating factors,then i have a license to kill...
more of YOUR liberal bullshit...
this is the legacy of treating terrorism and war like a regular crime....
we are fighting people that are accustomed to having body parts chopped off for petty theft and this is what we give for being part of an act of war?...THE MURDER OF 3,000 PEOPLE ON AMERICAN SOIL?
what kind of message DO YOU think these people are going to take away from this?
the idjits who voted for life have made america weaker.......
i hope they can sleep at night and when they do they dream of the dead they have forsaken....
if he is still drawing breath in prison 10 years from now(reading the f-cking koran),that's still 15 years longer than todd beamer, jason dahl, sandy bradshaw, and 2900+ others have drawn breath ...
IMO, that is a clear failure of america's seriousness ...
wait and see...down the road..after the fuss dies down...
besides getting 3 hots and a cot...probably at some point down the line(with the aclu`s help),he`ll gain library priveleges and maybe even internet access...for the appeals process..or some other legal b.s....
wouldn`t shock me a bit...
he`ll be a hero to many in prison..
i pray he doesn`t kill or maim a guard...and i pray that some other monsters don`t take hostages to barter for his release....
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i think he should have been executed.....& ask if any of the family memebers would like to pull the switch....
you're right gw.....not enough people in the u.s. think we are at war..
you're right gw.....not enough people in the u.s. think we are at war..
When the prez says he's not concerned about the whereabouts of Bin Laden and the vice prez says the insurgency is in it's final throes, and we are not asked to conserve resources or ration anything ....well, how the hell are we supposed to know we are at war?
....and apparently many of the family members of the 9/11 victims were against the death penalty. I don't know how many.
Personally, I don't give a shlt about Zarq. He's caught, put away, and life in jail is no reward. ...And I could not care less about "what message this sends to the enemy". That's been a clucterfukc for a long time. We do nothing but double standard hypocrite 'messages' every day.
....and apparently many of the family members of the 9/11 victims were against the death penalty. I don't know how many.
Personally, I don't give a shlt about Zarq. He's caught, put away, and life in jail is no reward. ...And I could not care less about "what message this sends to the enemy". That's been a clucterfukc for a long time. We do nothing but double standard hypocrite 'messages' every day.
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unfortunately this great country`s been cursed by a soft,pussified generation that probably has our forefathers turning over in their graves...
remember what happened in ww2......to the non-uniformed german saboteurs planning on striking civilian targets? ...
they didn`t kill anybody...check it out..
i doubt there were any habeas corpus petitions filed by those nazis....(if you don`t know what habeas corpus means,ask smurph to look it up in wikpedia..he`s fond of that)...
puh-leeze...
remember what happened in ww2......to the non-uniformed german saboteurs planning on striking civilian targets? ...
they didn`t kill anybody...check it out..
i doubt there were any habeas corpus petitions filed by those nazis....(if you don`t know what habeas corpus means,ask smurph to look it up in wikpedia..he`s fond of that)...
puh-leeze...
Weasel - are you not one of the pussified? ....How do you feel about AR protesting Vietnam back in the day? Is he no longer pussified because he now supports more aggresive action? My father served in Nam, but is a democrat and despises the current chickenhawk administration - is he therefore pussified? Kosar served a 4 year stint in the Marines, but never saw action - does that make him more or less pussified than Dubya? I proudly display a Muhommad cartoon that Fox News refused to show - does that make me less pussified than Ollie North? How do the rankings of pussification stack up?
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gardenweasel said:
If by "license to kill" you mean you could kill someone and be sentenced to life in prison without parole, then yeah, I guess. You make it seem like this guy is going to a resort for the rest of his life.
