buyer's remorse..

AR182

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i know there can be buyer's remorse of a product & i had buyer's remorse with my first wife, but i have never heard it used towards politics.....until this year.

there are some political pundits saying that some voters have buyer's remorse about obama & this may cause him to lose the primary to clinton.

it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 

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Not sure if my thinking the past couple of days is what you are referring to, AR, but I have thought this scenario might play out today. When it becomes almost a presumed formality that the Obama train is running wild, people preparing to vote might have taken a real look at him, and decided the devil they know (to coin a phrase) in Clinton is better than the one they don't in Obama.

I think this day may upset the apple cart a bit. I have a suspicion that Hillary might pull this day off still - she has been very focused in these areas for a long time, and has a strong network. It's been assumed that she's on her last legs, but remember, she has very strong kankles...:SIB
 

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The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- She threw the kitchen sink at him. Accused Barack Obama of plagiarism. Mocked his eloquence. Questioned his truthfulness about NAFTA.

Wasn't enough. Hillary Clinton still faced extinction in Ohio and Texas. So what do you do when you have thrown the kitchen sink? Drop the atomic bomb.

Hence that brilliant "phone call at the White House at 3 a.m." commercial. In the great tradition of Lyndon Johnson's "Daisy" ad, it was not subtle -- though in 2008 you don't actually show the nuclear explosion. It's enough just to suggest an apocalyptic crisis.

Ostensibly the ad was about experience. It wasn't. It was about familiarity. After all, as Obama pointed out, what exactly is the experience that prepares Hillary to answer the red phone at 3 a.m.?

She was raising a deeper question: Do you really know who this guy is? After a whirlwind courtship with this elegant man who rode into town just yesterday, are you really prepared to entrust him with your children, the major props in the ad?

After months of fruitlessly shadowboxing an ethereal opponent made up of equal parts hope, rhetoric and enthusiasm, Clinton had finally made contact with the enemy. The doubts she raised created just enough buyer's remorse to convince Democrats on Tuesday to not yet close the sale on the mysterious stranger.

The only way either Clinton or John McCain can defeat an opponent as dazzlingly new and fresh as Obama is to ask: Do you really know this guy?

Or the corollary: Is he really who he says he is? I'm not talking about scurrilous innuendo about his origins, religion or upbringing. I'm talking about the full-fledged man who presents himself to the country in remarkably grandiose terms as a healer, a conciliator, a uniter.

This, after all, is his major appeal. What makes him different from the other candidates, from the "old politics" he disdains, is the promise to rise above party, to take us beyond ideology and other archaic divisions, and bring us together as "one nation."

It's worked. When Americans are asked who can unite us, 67 percent say Obama versus 34 percent for Clinton, with McCain at 51.

How did Obama pull that off? By riding one of the great non sequiturs of modern American politics.

It goes like this. Because Obama transcends race, it is therefore assumed that he will transcend everything else -- divisions of region, class, party, generation and ideology.

The premise here is true -- Obama does transcend race; he has not run as a candidate of minority grievance; his vision of America is unmistakably post-racial -- but the conclusion does not necessarily follow. It is merely suggested in Obama's rhetorically brilliant celebration of American unity: "young and old, rich and poor, black and white, Latino and Asian -- who are tired of a politics that divides us." Hence "the choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white. It's about the past versus the future."

The effect of such sweeping invocations of unity is electric, particularly because race is the deepest and most tragic of all American divisions, and this invocation is being delivered by a man who takes us powerfully beyond it. The implication is that he is therefore uniquely qualified to transcend all our other divisions.

It is not an idle suggestion. It could be true. The problem is that Obama's own history suggests that, in his case at least, it is not. Indeed, his Senate record quite belies the implication.

The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy -- more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.

On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one's own political constituency, Obama flinched: the "gang of 14" compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama's.

Who, in fact, supported all of these bipartisan deals, was a central player in two of them, and brokered the even more notorious McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform? John McCain, of course.

Yes, John McCain -- intemperate and rough-edged, of sharp elbows and even sharper tongue. Turns out that uniting is not a matter of rhetoric or manner, but of character and courage.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html
 

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None taken---

Snowed/iced in today and bored to tears.
few lines on golf--tourney delayed yesterday(rain)
--markets close
--can't get to office

Fortunate Jack's place never closes :)
 

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how about a little humor--
This snl skit may have played large part in H's comeback--seems press did about face after it's showing--my fav is at the end on foreign affairs--

http://showhype.com/video/hillary_clinton_on_snl_1/

That's really funny. As you guys know, I don't spend a lot of time following the debats and such. I wish SNL would do more of these, so I could keep up with the campaign trail. :)
 

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I still don't get what comeback or adjustment people think Hillary made in Texas and Ohio. She was leading in the polls in those states for a long time. The demographics favored her, and her message. Seems so simple to me.

She ran commercials a few days before the election saying 'blah blah blah' and the votes went exactly as everyone predicted they would, weeks earlier. Therefore the commercials were the cause? Seems like ass-backwards logic to me. :shrug:
 

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Believe your correct- to large extent Fek however press did get embarrssed and handled things a bit diff after late night tv humor--Obama's cheerleading network MSBC was brunt of most jokes on comedy circuit.

Has basically come down to demographics as you said. Ms is auto for Bama tomorrow and Pn should be auto for H in 6 weeks unless something major develops.
Obama's run has prouced record turnouts among blacks --double in many states--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_blacks;_ylt=Al7gcibpg9sxd5Arv6hme_EE1vAI

Bositis said it was unclear whether Obama's black support is driving some working-class whites into Clinton's corner, but he noted the steep drop in Obama's share of the white vote in Ohio compared to Wisconsin. One possible factor other than race, Bositis said, was Clinton's strong support within the Ohio Democratic establishment, starting with the governor.

One thing is not in doubt: Obama's candidacy and the closeness of the contest are triggering record turnout among black voters. "In many states, the black vote has doubled," Bositis said.
 

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Believe your correct- to large extent Fek however press did get embarrssed and handled things a bit diff after late night tv humor--Obama's cheerleading network MSBC was brunt of most jokes on comedy circuit.

Has basically come down to demographics as you said. Ms is auto for Bama tomorrow and Pn should be auto for H in 6 weeks unless something major develops.
Obama's run has prouced record turnouts among blacks --double in many states--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080309/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_blacks;_ylt=Al7gcibpg9sxd5Arv6hme_EE1vAI

Bositis said it was unclear whether Obama's black support is driving some working-class whites into Clinton's corner, but he noted the steep drop in Obama's share of the white vote in Ohio compared to Wisconsin. One possible factor other than race, Bositis said, was Clinton's strong support within the Ohio Democratic establishment, starting with the governor.

One thing is not in doubt: Obama's candidacy and the closeness of the contest are triggering record turnout among black voters. "In many states, the black vote has doubled," Bositis said.

If it comes down to demographics how do you explain his appeal last out in Wyoming 1% black ? colo4% , Idado1%, conn 10%,iowa 3%,maine 1%, minn 5,neb 5, N dakota 5, utha 1 , wis 6, kan 6, missou 13, alaska 12, hawaii 3% ..... I think you and the liberal press are telling part of the story. He has won in more States with out the black vote than he has won with them. Why is there a need to tell part of the story ? There is a need by some because it makes them feel better. It diminishes Obama in their minds. If all you had to do is get the black vote, where are all the black presidents ? Some people just can't let the race stuff go. DTB , how many white people have voted for Obama ? how many for Clinton ?
 
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How do the smart bigots of America explain this ? The liberal media and their brothers on the right don't approach it this way.. Why do they give so much lip service to the black vote for Obama and not the white vote for Obama ? The way the media reports a story has a divisive effect on America. Just another case .
 
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I've never seen anyone in my life obsessed with a particular race as DTB is about blacks.
 

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Smurph show me an article anywhere that doesn't have race/genner issue included.

or do you quit reading when they get to that and give it the ole :00x7
 

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If it comes down to demographics how do you explain his appeal last out in Wyoming 1% black ? colo4% , Idado1%, conn 10%,iowa 3%,maine 1%, minn 5,neb 5, N dakota 5, utha 1 , wis 6, kan 6, missou 13, alaska 12, hawaii 3% ..... I think you and the liberal press are telling part of the story. He has won in more States with out the black vote than he has won with them. Why is there a need to tell part of the story ? There is a need by some because it makes them feel better. It diminishes Obama in their minds. If all you had to do is get the black vote, where are all the black presidents ? Some people just can't let the race stuff go. DTB , how many white people have voted for Obama ? how many for Clinton ?

is this an exit kkk right on this question ?
 

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is this an exit kkk right on this question ?
Just seeing your question Bryanz--
I don't exit stage left--or yawn--or counter with opinion--

Either i post reference material that I believe backs up allegation--or if I state opinion and am wrong I acknowledge it and immediately cheerfully pay off any wager involved--ask Gregg.

On your Wy Wisc--I don't think wyoming had mush if any exit poll but believe it was caucus--which Obama has won every one except 2.

--Ill be back on wisky--should have polls book marked in my election folder.
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after reviewing exit poll of wisky
http://elections.foxnews.com/wisconsin-democratic-exit-poll/
which was primary not caucus--i would say you are correct --and have found one state that does not fit pattern of others.

P.S. I would have cut and paste the exit poll rather than just the link--but as you'll notice on polling criteria -- if I blanked out all the data on race and gender --for yours and Smurphs benefit--wouldn't have been much left. :)
 
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