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The Great Non Sequitur
By Charles Krauthammer

............The Obama campaign has sent journalists eight pages of examples of his reaching across the aisle in the Senate. But these are small-bore items of almost no controversy -- more help for war veterans, reducing loose nukes in the former Soviet Union and the like. Bipartisan support for apple pie is hardly a profile in courage.

On the difficult compromises that required the political courage to challenge one's own political constituency, Obama flinched: the "gang of 14" compromise on judicial appointments, the immigration compromise to which Obama tried to append union-backed killer amendments, and, just last month, the compromise on warrantless eavesdropping that garnered 68 votes in the Senate. But not Obama's........



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/do_you_really_know_obama.html


Actually a nifty little piece of writing. I like how he titled it, shuffled and faked to the left, then ended it with John McCain. I would imagine a man with the name Krauthammer has been referred to as cute very few times since he was an infant, but that was a cute bit of style.

Above is the important part of the article imo. How the hell you guys got on race again is beyond me, but there it is again. DTB has always made a valid point on questioning exactly what BHO stands for or has done.....I just ignore any underlying racial tones, if there even are any
tones at all. He has avoided running hard left on the more sensitive votes during his time in the Senate. I guess the reality is that he's a junior senator.....how much juice could he possibly have in that chamber? Its gotta be like arguing with tenured professors. He still has the high ground right now. Stayin' cool, makin' par while everyone chases.......you have to admire that, considering his "inexperience" and all. The only mistakes I see are what all the pundits rant about on TV......he's not swinging back at every little assault and they want a fight......and the NAFTA thing; not fessing up right away was stupid. Nothing else. I find it pretty amusing watching McCain and Team Clinton continue to flail away at the mist, firing and firing and making little contact with the target. What's not amusing is how the natural progression of this strategy will inevitably lead the journey back down to the lowest common demoninators (race, inexperience, scandal du jour)......I think they call it realpolitik, but I call it dumb. Politicians and the 4th estate really have no respect for the intelligence of the avg American, and that pisses me off; what scares me is they may be right:shrug:
 

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If it comes down to demographics how do you explain his appeal last out in Wyoming 1% black ? colo4% , Idado1%, conn 10%,iowa 3%,maine 1%, minn 5,neb 5, N dakota 5, utha 1 , wis 6, kan 6, missou 13, alaska 12, hawaii 3% ..... I think you and the liberal press are telling part of the story. He has won in more States with out the black vote than he has won with them. Why is there a need to tell part of the story ? There is a need by some because it makes them feel better. It diminishes Obama in their minds. If all you had to do is get the black vote, where are all the black presidents ? Some people just can't let the race stuff go. DTB , how many white people have voted for Obama ? how many for Clinton ?

The score cards--
Well Bryanz- Miss finished the 20% states and totals on projected states "before primaries"went 10-0.

--and you you managed to find 1 maybe 2 that fit your opinion--after the fact.

--believe our debate on your 12% theory was also confirmed as believe SC Miss and GA all had over 50% of voters african americans.

Here is exit polls from last night-
WARNING Smurph you might not want to read--appears press/polls and everyone is obsessed with race/gender issues on primary and wouldn't want you to be offended.

Obama Coasts to Victory in Miss. Primary

Mar 11, 10:39 PM (ET)

By DAVID ESPO and CHARLES BABINGTON

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) - Barack Obama coasted to victory in Mississippi's Democratic primary Tuesday, latest in a string of racially polarized presidential contests across the Deep South and a final tune-up before next month's high-stakes race with Hillary Rodham Clinton in Pennsylvania.

Obama was winning roughly 90 percent of the black vote but only about one-quarter of the white vote, extending a pattern that carried him to victory in earlier primaries in South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

His triumph seemed unlikely to shorten a Democratic marathon expected to last at least six more weeks - and possibly far longer - while Republicans and their nominee-in-waiting, Sen. John McCain, turn their attention to the fall campaign.

"Now we look forward to campaigning in Pennsylvania and around the country," Maggie Williams, Clinton's campaign manager, said in a written statement that congratulated Obama on his victory.


"I'm confident that once we get a nominee, the party is going to be unified," Obama said as he collected his victory.

But in a race growing more contentious, he took a swipe at the way his rival's campaign has conducted itself.

"We've been very measured in terms of how we talk about Senator Clinton," he said. "I've been careful to say that I think Senator Clinton is a capable person and that should she win the nomination, obviously, I would support her. I'm not sure we've been getting that same approach from the Clinton campaign," he said in on CNN.

Returns from 25 percent of Mississippi's precincts showed Obama gaining 54 percent, to 43 percent for Clinton.

Obama picked up at least six Mississippi delegates to the Democratic National Convention, with 27 more to be awarded. He hoped for a win sizable enough to erase most if not all of Clinton's 11-delegate gain from last week, when she won three primaries.

Neither of the two rivals appears able to win enough delegates through primaries and caucuses to prevail in their historic race for the nomination, a development that has elevated the importance of nearly 800 elected officials and party leaders who will attend next summer's national convention as unelected superdelegates.

Obama leads Clinton among pledged delegates, 1,374-1,226 in The Associated Press count, while the former first lady has an advantage among superdelegates, 247-211.

There was little suspense about the Mississippi outcome, and both Clinton and Obama spent part of their day campaigning in Pennsylvania, which has 158 delegates at stake in a primary on April 22.

The volatile issue of race has been a constant presence in the historic Democratic campaign, and it resurfaced during the day in the form of comments by Geraldine Ferraro, the 1984 Democratic vice presidential candidate and a Clinton supporter.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," she said in an interview with the Daily Breeze of Torrance, Calif., that was published last Friday.

Clinton expressed disagreement with Ferraro's comments, and said, "It's regrettable that any of our supporters - on both sides, because we both have this experience - say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

Obama called Ferraro's remarks "patently absurd."

Blacks, who have supported Obama in overwhelming numbers in earlier primaries, accounted for roughly half the ballots cast in Mississippi, according to interviews with voters leaving polling places.

About one in six Democratic primary voters were independents, and Clinton and Obama split their support. Another 10 percent of voters were Republican, and they preferred Clinton by a margin of 3-1.

Six in 10 Obama supporters said he should pick the former first lady as his vice presidential running mate if he wins the presidential nomination. A smaller share of Clinton's voters, four in 10, said she should place him on the ticket.

The Republican primary provided even less suspense than the Democratic contest. Sen. John McCain or Arizona had already amassed enough delegates to win his party's nomination and was in New York, attending an evening fundraiser that was expected to raise $1 million.

Adding to the uncertainty in the lengthening race between Obama and Clinton, Democrats from Florida and Michigan are pressing for their delegations to be seated at the summer convention.

Both states were stripped of their delegates by the Democratic National Committee after they held early primaries in defiance of party rules. Efforts are under way to find a compromise that would satisfy party leaders in both states as well as the candidates, although Obama and his top strategist were cool during the day to proposals for primaries-by-mail. "I think there are some concerns in terms of making sure that whatever we do is fair and votes are properly counted and the logistics make sense," Obama told CNN.

Obama has defeated Clinton in primaries in South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana, other states where blacks cast a large share of the ballots.

Exit polls showed blacks accounted for a majority of the ballots in all but Louisiana, where they represented a plurality. Obama's share of the black vote in those states ranged from 78 percent in South Carolina to 88 percent in Georgia, while Clinton won the white vote with ease.

After losing 12 straight primaries and caucuses, Clinton rebounded smartly last week with primary victories in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island. Obama won the Vermont primary, led in the Texas caucuses, and suffered a loss of only 11 delegates.

But the damage was deeper than mere numbers - costing him a chance to rally uncommitted party leaders to his side, and depriving him of an opportunity to drive the former first lady from the race.

Reinvigorated, Clinton immediately began talking about the possibility of having Obama as her running mate.

Obama ridiculed the idea, saying, "I don't know how somebody who is in second place is offering the vice presidency to the person who is first place."

Other than Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota have primaries remaining.
 

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This is what you don't answer.....Obama has won 30 states to Clintons 14 ... That's a wide base .... He has won 10 with the black vote ... How did he win the other 20 ?????? If it was all about race , If they are just voting for him because he is black and they are, like your friend on the left Geraldine Ferraro said. Another example of how the left and right meet..... How did he win in : colo,conn,idaho,ill,iowa,kansas,maine,minn,neb,n dakota, utah, wis, wy,missou,alaska,& hawaii & others.... You still haven't answered this : Obama has won in 10 States with < 6% blacks. How did that happen ???
 

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That's what I want to know... HOW DID OBAMA WIN IN 12 STATES WITH < 6% BLACKS ???? you have your obvious 10-0. I have my 12-0 that no one would bet on before the fact ! Who would have thought Obama would have gone 12 -0 in : colo, idaho,iowa,kan,maine,minn,neb,n dakota,utah,wis, wy, hawaii... What's that about ????? You cover 1/2 the story... Tell us the rest ...
 

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Bryanz,

You're a bit strange, in general, but let me give you a small piece of advice.

Don't get yourself too worked up on race topics with Wayne, even if you have the facts on your side, as you do in this case.

He simply can't get it around his head how a dark boy could possibly get any support from the good white folks of this country.

On an unrelated (kind of) note, why is half white/half black Obama referred to 100% of the time as 'black.'

Like Tiger Woods- half black/half 9 other non-black things put together. But he's the 'black' golfer.
 

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Bryanz,

You're a bit strange, in general, but let me give you a small piece of advice.

Don't get yourself too worked up on race topics with Wayne, even if you have the facts on your side, as you do in this case.

He simply can't get it around his head how a dark boy could possibly get any support from the good white folks of this country.

On an unrelated (kind of) note, why is half white/half black Obama referred to 100% of the time as 'black.'

Like Tiger Woods- half black/half 9 other non-black things put together. But he's the 'black' golfer.

that's a good question and the answer is multi layered. Someone could write a thesis on that question ... GREAT Question .. I'll come back to this . Thanks
 

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On an unrelated (kind of) note, why is half white/half black Obama referred to 100% of the time as 'black.'

Like Tiger Woods- half black/half 9 other non-black things put together. But he's the 'black' golfer.

Yep, this bugs me too. It's the old mentality of this country that's hopefully on it's way out. A drop of black, means you are all black - regardless of what other mixtures you may have. It doesn't make sense - especially if you are somebody who appreciates numbers.

I can answer Bryanz's dilemma: In those overwhelmingly white states that Obama won, the voters were voting only for his half that's white. In Mississippi and the rest of DTB dark states, they were obviously voting for is black half.
 

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Bryanz,

You're a bit strange, in general, but let me give you a small piece of advice.

Don't get yourself too worked up on race topics with Wayne, even if you have the facts on your side, as you do in this case.

He simply can't get it around his head how a dark boy could possibly get any support from the good white folks of this country.

On an unrelated (kind of) note, why is half white/half black Obama referred to 100% of the time as 'black.'

Like Tiger Woods- half black/half 9 other non-black things put together. But he's the 'black' golfer.

OK Matt so now we got 3 that believe race or gender isn't issue in this race.

If your going to do any election wagering you might want to switch sides and take off those PC glasses.

--on tiger woods --still looking for 1st article describing any of his records as 1st Asian to accomplish--
--wonder what his mom thinks about that. Funny world we live in.

Maybe you could answer simple question--
If you were Obama-- which box would you check under Race description on U.S. Census questionaire?

P.S.
 
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OK Matt so now we got 3 that believe race or gender isn't issue in this race.

--on tiger woods --still looking for 1st article describing any of his records as 1st Asian to accomplish--
--wonder what his mom thinks about that. Funny world we live in.

Maybe you could answer simple question--
If you were Obama-- which box would you check under Race description on U.S. Census questionaire?

What are you talking about? Of course race is an issue. I've never said otherwise. But it's not anywhere near the only thing, as you've said and implied 92 times.

I agree about the Tiger thing. Ummmm, that was kinda my point. And i'm still looking for an article that calls Obama a white man. 'Funny world we live in,' indeed.

As far as what box I would check? If I was Obama? Simple question?

To me it's not simple at all. I'm not that bright, but if it's so simple, why don't you give us your answer and why?

Thanks, man, for the answer and reasoning to this simple question.
 

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Wow, Geraldine Ferraro is on fire! She is killing Hillary. I am very glad that woman never became VP. What an idiot.
 

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Here's my least favorite off-handed racist comment... or maybe just the one I encounter the most.

One my best friends is married to a black girl. She's pretty cute. But nothing out of the ordinary.

Being that we are from a small town originally, all of our parent's age people immediately talk about how beautiful she is. It didn't occur to me at first, but I've come to realize that this is how they make themselves comfortable with it.

It's seriously out of control.

Them: Oh yeah. Chris's wife, Maria. She's BEAUTIFUL.

Me: Well, she's good looking, but she ain't all that. Oh, you mean she's black and you wanted to divert your attention away from that.

Very strange world we live in, but there's no doubt that we are making progress.

Oh yeah, and she probably carries a gun...
 

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That's what I want to know... HOW DID OBAMA WIN IN 12 STATES WITH < 6% BLACKS ???? you have your obvious 10-0. I have my 12-0 that no one would bet on before the fact ! Who would have thought Obama would have gone 12 -0 in : colo, idaho,iowa,kan,maine,minn,neb,n dakota,utah,wis, wy, hawaii... What's that about ????? You cover 1/2 the story... Tell us the rest ...

DTB, are you going to answer this?
 

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What are you talking about? Of course race is an issue. I've never said otherwise. But it's not anywhere near the only thing, as you've said and implied 92 times.

I agree about the Tiger thing. Ummmm, that was kinda my point. And i'm still looking for an article that calls Obama a white man. 'Funny world we live in,' indeed.

As far as what box I would check? If I was Obama? Simple question?

To me it's not simple at all. I'm not that bright, but if it's so simple, why don't you give us your answer and why?

Thanks, man, for the answer and reasoning to this simple question.

I'm not that bright either Matt--wonder what his answer would be--would be interesting to know.
 

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DTB, are you going to answer this?

Jabbers--I see you want to join the Bryanz Smurph
angle also--when you have no answers and are obviously wrong--change the rules.
Find me just one post that involved my primary projections that has anything to do with white vote--which Bryanz has tried to turn it into--after the voting

Granted projections were based on racial prejudice but impossible in my view to gauge any white prejudice as much as you 3 and other liberals would like to make it appear--I did feel good about hispanic bias--which turned out to be correct--but was certain of only racial prejudice that would be a 100% absolute (10-0) in Dem primary--and that being the black--estimated at least 7/1 but looks like it will be more like 8/1 to 9/1

Now the 3 of you have option of taking off those PC glasses when reading last paragraph again and welcome yourself back to the world of reality--or you can put them back on--take another sip of that liberal Kool Aid--and huddle up and give it the ole---:00x7

--AGAIN

P.S. listen to Obama's preacher--and report back to us on racial prejudice ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfNEfEBYIZs
 
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You must have done the :00x7 before reading post prior to yours Bryanz--

You know--you and Spy carry on quite a bit in this section--I think its about time we do a real indisputable credibilty check--and see a little of the person behind the :talk:

Are the 2 of you up to it--It won't be exposing who your are but what you are--and won't ask you to do anything I won't do along with you.

You game :0corn
 

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You must have done the :00x7 before reading post prior to yours Bryanz--

You know--you and Spy carry on quite a bit in this section--I think its about time we do a real indisputable credibilty check--and see a little of the person behind the :talk:

Are the 2 of you up to it--It won't be exposing who your are but what you are--and won't ask you to do anything I won't do along with you.

You game :0corn

what do you mean ? what's the game ? what do you think I am ?
 
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You must have done the :00x7 before reading post prior to yours Bryanz--

You know--you and Spy carry on quite a bit in this section--I think its about time we do a real indisputable credibilty check--and see a little of the person behind the :talk:

Are the 2 of you up to it--It won't be exposing who your are but what you are--and won't ask you to do anything I won't do along with you.

You game :0corn

You don't want to expose who I am but what I am. That right there, tells me all that I need to know about what you are not . What I am is who I am. WTF are you ?
 
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