this surprises you ???? who's the boss ?? everyone who was supposed be be looking out for American interest the last 8 yrs from the white house on down passed the baton to china....
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this surprises you ???? who's the boss ?? everyone who was supposed be be looking out for American interest the last 8 yrs from the white house on down passed the baton to china....
Let's get the facts straight?
If Congress wasn't given flat out lies cooked up by the CIA and sold to Congress by Bush/Cheney/Powell, I think the vote might have been just a little different.
Unfortunately, the facts weren't at all straight in 2003.
Please pay attention, this video clip from youtube spells it out, stop the lies and denial. TIA>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
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terrell owens got released by the cowboys the other day and rumor has it that bock is considering him for a major economic position.....
Unfortunately Geither came out again yesterday with no new news on banking--you might noticed the collapse in banking stocks that followed--were other factors also.
Granted O inheirited tough situation--but he's made matters much worth. Krauthammer had article this morning that basically says it all--and that is O and companies total lack of anything positive in what is causing collapse--and spending all his time on social issues that will compound probs in future.
heres a good read--
March 06, 2009
Deception at Core of Obama Plans
By Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Forget the pork. Forget the waste. Forget the 8,570 earmarks in a bill supported by a president who poses as the scourge of earmarks. Forget the "$2 trillion dollars in savings" that "we have already identified," $1.6 trillion of which President Obama's budget director later admits is the "savings" of not continuing the surge in Iraq until 2019 -- 11 years after George Bush ended it, and eight years after even Bush would have had us out of Iraq completely.
Forget all of this. This is run-of-the-mill budget trickery. True, Obama's tricks come festooned with strings of zeros tacked onto the end. But that's a matter of scale, not principle.
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All presidents do that. But few undertake the kind of brazen deception at the heart of Obama's radically transformative economic plan, a rhetorical sleight of hand so smoothly offered that few noticed.
The logic of Obama's address to Congress went like this:
"Our economy did not fall into decline overnight," he averred. Indeed, it all began before the housing crisis. What did we do wrong? We are paying for past sins in three principal areas: energy, health care, and education -- importing too much oil and not finding new sources of energy (as in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Outer Continental Shelf?), not reforming health care, and tolerating too many bad schools.
The "day of reckoning" has now arrived. And because "it is only by understanding how we arrived at this moment that we'll be able to lift ourselves out of this predicament," Obama has come to redeem us with his far-seeing program of universal, heavily nationalized health care; a cap-and-trade tax on energy; and a major federalization of education with universal access to college as the goal.
Amazing. As an explanation of our current economic difficulties, this is total fantasy. As a cure for rapidly growing joblessness, a massive destruction of wealth, a deepening worldwide recession, this is perhaps the greatest non sequitur ever foisted upon the American people.
At the very center of our economic near-depression is a credit bubble, a housing collapse and a systemic failure of the entire banking system. One can come up with a host of causes: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pushed by Washington (and greed) into improvident loans, corrupted bond-ratings agencies, insufficient regulation of new and exotic debt instruments, the easy money policy of Alan Greenspan's Fed, irresponsible bankers pushing (and then unloading in packaged loan instruments) highly dubious mortgages, greedy house-flippers, deceitful homebuyers.
The list is long. But the list of causes of the collapse of the financial system does not include the absence of universal health care, let alone of computerized medical records. Nor the absence of an industry-killing cap-and-trade carbon levy. Nor the lack of college graduates. Indeed, one could perversely make the case that, if anything, the proliferation of overeducated, Gucci-wearing, smart-ass MBAs inventing ever more sophisticated and opaque mathematical models and debt instruments helped get us into this credit catastrophe in the first place.
And yet with our financial house on fire, Obama makes clear both in his speech and his budget that the essence of his presidency will be the transformation of health care, education and energy. Four months after winning the election, six weeks after his swearing in, Obama has yet to unveil a plan to deal with the banking crisis.
What's going on? "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," said Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. "This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."
Things. Now we know what they are. The markets' recent precipitous decline is a reaction not just to the absence of any plausible bank rescue plan, but also to the suspicion that Obama sees the continuing financial crisis as usefully creating the psychological conditions -- the sense of crisis bordering on fear-itself panic -- for enacting his "Big Bang" agenda to federalize and/or socialize health care, education and energy, the commanding heights of post-industrial society.
Clever politics, but intellectually dishonest to the core. Health, education and energy -- worthy and weighty as they may be -- are not the cause of our financial collapse. And they are not the cure. The fraudulent claim that they are both cause and cure is the rhetorical device by which an ambitious president intends to enact the most radical agenda of social transformation seen in our lifetime.
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Hey, that's my word
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i think that's why he used it
you're the first thing that came to my mind when i saw his post :mj07:
Tough crowd. Demanding a solution to the banking crisis in 6 weeks after not a peep in the 7 months before that.
Didn't W throw 700 Billion at the banks and brokerage companies? To what effect? Exactly.
Jesus Christ, give the guy a little time. There is no quick fix to this mess.
you`re still foisting this straw man on the uninformed?....again,the cia is not...i repeat...
THE CIA IS NOT MADE UP OF ONLY CONSERVATIVE NEOCONS
there are probably more valerie plame types in the cia than anything else.......
those that were there under clinton were there under bush...
so,if bush lied,there is absolutely NO DOUBT that that fact would have made it`s way to the new york times( much like other national security information that`s been regularly leaked during the bush administration)...can you imagine the fame and fortune bestowed on the person that ratted out "the dreaded bush administration"?...would make woodward and bernstein look like pikers....they would be deified...
why are you willfully being so dense?...can`t you read?..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12423825/
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDVhYWQzMmQ3YWRlNzFkYjRmZmY4ZTQzZmUwZjJhZjI=
anybody that thinks that only"republicans" were involved in procuring information on iraq or any other issue involving the cia is either an idiot or has a terminal case of cognitive dissonance...
as we speak congress is bringing rove and other bush officials in to testify about the firing of some "lawyers".....
this is absolutely small potatoes when compared to possible falsification of intelligence regarding the push toward going to war....
read what clinton and numerous democrats said about saddam and iraq....it was almost exactly the same stuff that bush put forward...
not only are you saying that bush had a way to keep intel from those obtaining it
....but they kept it from the intelligence committee?....every field agent...every foreign source...every cia agent and support staff...were all in the bag?...
you`re willfully telling untruths... clueless...sharp as a cueball...
this is classic b.d.s....
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Watch out Gardenweasel, when faced with facts that they can't deny, they will start calling you names. JMO.
Of course the CIA is not only made of of Neo-cons.
The fact is that Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz/Feith and co. planned this crap the minute W came into office. No, actually well before that.
They received conflicting information from the Intel services, but hand-picked from it.
They relied heavily on the Iraqi informant 'speedball', who had absolutely everything wrong.
Cheney classified a duece and a half supply truck as a mobile wmd machine. Then they sent Powell to the UN to make a total and complete fool of himself. Big shocker that Powell supported Obama in the election.
You can call me clueless all you want, but wtf does that make that administration?
Yes, Clinton said that regime change in Iraq would be desirable. No shit. Big fucking deal. Regime change in North Korea would be great, but I don't see us invading and occupying that country.
Clinton wasn't the one who sent over 4,000 young men and women in our military to their graves and another 30,000 maimed and God knows how many Iraqi civilians killed in an invasion of a 3rd world country who was absolutely no threat to us. None.
BTW-should I dig out Cheneys explanation in 1991 as to why going to Baghdad back then would be utterly stupid? He was spot on back then. Everything he said would happen, did happen. Not sure what happened to change his mind in the next 12 years.
Yeah, i'm the one who's clueless.
i might have to put a limit on your avatar uploads before you crash my server. christ, find your identity already
i might have to put a limit on your avatar uploads before you crash my server. christ, find your identity already
Didn't realize it was a problem, sorry about that.
they were plotting this before the election?....you mean,like the 9/11 attack?...
nobody in the cia spotted this cherry picking and blew the whistle?.... with every swinging dick in the media ready to make them the greatest american hero since john paul jones?....
just listen to yourself.... you`ve taken over the mantle of "resident forum jester/conspiracy kook" that pt1gard used to carry(to his great embarrassment)....
very sad... :nooo:
http://theanchoressonline.com/2005/11/02/where-did-the-wmd-intel-come-from/
a little common sense might work as a sort of mental antibiotic(but i`m not holding my breath)...
a little common sense might work as a sort of mental antibiotic(but i`m not holding my breath)...
