uhhhhh what Ray ? I have been smoking all day, Camel, non-filters. No Migraine, no herb.
Next time put your question in the form of a complete sentence :toast:
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uhhhhh what Ray ? I have been smoking all day, Camel, non-filters. No Migraine, no herb.
Next time put your question in the form of a complete sentence :toast:
That was my bro-in-law.It actually made you laugh TU??That's great since your personality is that of wet paint drying.Maybe I will have him post next week so you can get your kicks.
As far as the reason's why they hate?There's to many to list.
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I was watching a show about methanphetamine the other night.
They said that meth was what was given to the kamikazi pilots for pearl harbor.
I knew them japenese didnt have the balls to do that without being hyped up.
It wasnt courage that they say the pilots had
it was meth :scared
I hate when the truth comes out like that
makes me feel like DTB
kinda a dumb nuts
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me too TU
all day long blasting the rap until he cracked like Hannity on a waterboard.
oh wait..... Hero Hannity chickened out of that test.
Should have given him meth and then water boarded his ass.
I was going to post about that last night.
I am shocked Hannity is a coward, just shocked.
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Rush is a much bigger coward
and he would squeal like a pig
it would be so sickening I would have to just put one behind his ear to calm him down some
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While all the former answers are true, they lack a point of view which is critical in understanding the psyche that lead to such an event, and it is this aspect which stands as a warning in time to all peoples. Understanding the perceptions which lay behind the construction of such a scheme of war against the United States, at Pearl Harbor, is the greatest lesson. All the lives lost in the ensuing holocaust of WWII are in vain and utterly meaningless without understanding the ideas held by ourselves and our enemies about each other, and it is these ideas which hold the ultimate answer to "Why did Japan Attack Pearl Harbor."
The Japanese believed that America, as a nation of diverse races of peoples, was a mongoloid mix incapable of acting with a united singular resolve. That perception was fueled by the propaganda of Japan. The Yamato Race were a superior people. America was very alien to the Japanese, and it is not surprising that a homogeneous group of people could not comprehend how such a diverse range of extreme individuals, a prized ideal in America could possibly equate in to a united body. Americans, thought the Japanese, were a collection of trash peoples. Easily dealt with and who should rightly be sub servant to the Yamato Race.
Such notions are at the very heart of the belief that Japan could win a war with the United States. They convinced themselves that a devastating attack would dishearten the Americans and lead to cracks in the fabric of the American society that would threaten its stability. Thus, they convinced themselves that the Americans would come to accept a new reality of Japanese Superiority.
Of course it was much more complex than this. Japan, for instance, was very isolated. R. Francillions book; Japanese Aircraft of the Second World War, opens with an observation taken from Japanese propaganda; "Every Foreigner is A Spy!" So the military of Japan, which ran the nation in almost every sense, denied the people any thing which would encumber their designs, which was to make War.
Ultimately, Japan attacked the United States because it was "Hell Bent on War!" It was totally convinced of its superiority as a master race, and believed that it had a right to rule and do what it felt like with all peoples of the world.
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I think DTB black gumby would have fit in very well with the Yamato bunch at that time.
They sounded like a bunch of neo con right wingers who made the big mistake of thinking that John McCain and Palin could take over the world one , two , three :142smilie
The Japanese believed that America, as a nation of diverse races of peoples, was a mongoloid mix incapable of acting with a united singular resolve. That perception was fueled by the propaganda of Japan. The Yamato Race were a superior people. America was very alien to the Japanese, and it is not surprising that a homogeneous group of people could not comprehend how such a diverse range of extreme individuals, a prized ideal in America could possibly equate in to a united body. Americans, thought the Japanese, were a collection of trash peoples. Easily dealt with and who should rightly be sub servant to the Yamato Race.
Such notions are at the very heart of the belief that Japan could win a war with the United States. They convinced themselves that a devastating attack would dishearten the Americans and lead to cracks in the fabric of the American society that would threaten its stability. Thus, they convinced themselves that the Americans would come to accept a new reality of Japanese Superiority.
Of course it was much more complex than this. Japan, for instance, was very isolated. R. Francillions book; Japanese Aircraft of the Second World War, opens with an observation taken from Japanese propaganda; "Every Foreigner is A Spy!" So the military of Japan, which ran the nation in almost every sense, denied the people any thing which would encumber their designs, which was to make War.
Ultimately, Japan attacked the United States because it was "Hell Bent on War!" It was totally convinced of its superiority as a master race, and believed that it had a right to rule and do what it felt like with all peoples of the world.
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I think DTB black gumby would have fit in very well with the Yamato bunch at that time.
They sounded like a bunch of neo con right wingers who made the big mistake of thinking that John McCain and Palin could take over the world one , two , three :142smilie
Yeah Tramp, it appears Rusty's a little "rusty" on his history if he's comparing a State sponsored declaration of war with the actions of a terrorist group.
Yeah Scotty, history is littered with military miscalculations that eventually lead to defeat. Going into the Civil War, the South didn't believe the North would fight. They were wrong. In WWII, after rolling through Poland and France in a matter of weeks, Hitler believed he could do the same in Russia. He was wrong. The list goes on an on. It's a common theme throughout history.
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Geesh...you guys aren't that naive to not see similarities between the two.I know your radical way of thinking can sometimes cloud the mind.Now WAKE UP!!Pearl Harbor Parallels 9-11
Military.com | By Donna Miles | December 07, 2006
WASHINGTON - Sixty-five years ago today, the United States endured an attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, that for the next 60 years -- until Sept. 11, 2001 -- stood as the most devastating enemy attack on U.S. soil.
Like the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor has been called a defining moment in U.S. history. It caught the country by surprise, rallied its people against their attackers and thrust the nation into a long, difficult war against tyranny.
On the 65th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attacks, they present more parallels, and possibly lessons, for today?s global war on terror.
Within hours of the surprise attack in the early-morning hours of Dec. 7, 1941, more than 2,400 Americans were dead. Five of the eight battleships at the U.S. Fleet?s Pearl Harbor base were sunk or sinking, and the other battleships, as well as ships and Hawaii-based combat planes, were heavily damaged.
By crippling the U.S. Pacific Fleet, Japan hoped to eliminate it as a threat to the Japanese Empire?s expansion south.
The Sept. 11 attacks, in contrast, were more symbolic than tactical. The World Trade Center in New York -- which al Qaeda had previously attacked in 1993 -- stood as a symbol of the U.S. free-market economy. The Pentagon represented the U.S. military?s command center, but not its operational arm.
The other intended target -- either the White House or the U.S. Capitol, many people speculate, if the passengers hadn?t commandeered their hijacked plane over Shanksville, Pa. -- represented the epicenter of the democratic U.S. government.
When the smoke cleared, the death toll from Sept. 11 topped even the devastation of Dec. 7, 1941, with almost 3,000 people, mostly civilians, dead.
Both the Pearl Harbor and Sept. 11 attacks had another similar consequence: pushing the United States into war.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt declared Dec. 7, 1941, ?a day which will live in infamy? and signed the Declaration of War against Japan the following day.
Adm. Mike Mullen, chief of naval operations, described what the United States was up against when it entered World War II during a late October visit to Oklahoma City. ?Things were tough,? Mullen said. ?Our fleet had taken a devastating blow. Japanese troops occupied Korea, China and would soon take over the Malaysian peninsula, Singapore and the Philippines.?
Nazi Germany, which already controlled a vast empire, declared war on the United States four days after the Pearl Harbor attack, Mullen noted.
Despite different challenges in the Atlantic and Pacific theaters, Mullen said, they ultimately boiled down to a common denominator. ?There were clearly two competing visions of the world: one of freedom, the other of tyranny,? he said. ?And tyranny appeared to have the upper hand.?
Mullen urged his Oklahoma City audience to ?fast forward to today? and the global war on terror.
?If the attack on the destroyer Cole, the treachery of 9-11, if events across the globe from London to Lebanon, Baghdad to Bali, from Pyongyang to Tehran, have taught us anything,? he said, ?it is that the struggle we currently face is also about two competing visions of the future and our vision of hope and prosperity and a secure future for our children (and) all children."
In his National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day 2006 proclamation, Bush noted similar challenges facing the United States today.
?In the 21st century, freedom is again under attack, and young Americans have stepped forward to serve in a global war on terror that will secure our liberty and determine the destiny of millions around the world,? he said. ?Like generations before, we will answer history's call with confidence, confront threats to our way of life, and build a more peaceful world for our children and grandchildren.?
Bush recalled the resolve Roosevelt demonstrated as the United States went to war. "We are going to win the war and we are going to win the peace that follows," Bush said, quoting Roosevelt.
Speaking in October at the dedication of the USS George H.W. Bush in Newport News, Va., the president praised the dedication World War II veterans demonstrated to ensure that victory.
He called U.S. troops fighting today?s war on terror ?a new generation of Americans every bit as brave and selfless as those who have come before them? and said they, too, will see the fight through to victory.
?Freedom is again under attack, and young Americans are volunteering to answer the call,? he said. ?Once again, with perseverance, and courage, and confidence in the power of freedom, a new generation of Americans will leave a more hopeful and peaceful world for generations to come.?
Military.com | By Donna Miles | December 07, 2006
WASHINGTON - Sixty-five years ago today, the United States endured an attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, that for the next 60 years -- until Sept. 11, 2001 -- stood as the most devastating enemy attack on U.S. soil.
Like the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor has been called a defining moment in U.S. history. It caught the country by surprise, rallied its people against their attackers and thrust the nation into a long, difficult war against tyranny.
On the 65th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attacks, they present more parallels, and possibly lessons, for today?s global war on terror.
Within hours of the surprise attack in the early-morning hours of Dec. 7, 1941, more than 2,400 Americans were dead. Five of the eight battleships at the U.S. Fleet?s Pearl Harbor base were sunk or sinking, and the other battleships, as well as ships and Hawaii-based combat planes, were heavily damaged.
By crippling the U.S. Pacific Fleet, Japan hoped to eliminate it as a threat to the Japanese Empire?s expansion south.
The Sept. 11 attacks, in contrast, were more symbolic than tactical. The World Trade Center in New York -- which al Qaeda had previously attacked in 1993 -- stood as a symbol of the U.S. free-market economy. The Pentagon represented the U.S. military?s command center, but not its operational arm.
The other intended target -- either the White House or the U.S. Capitol, many people speculate, if the passengers hadn?t commandeered their hijacked plane over Shanksville, Pa. -- represented the epicenter of the democratic U.S. government.
When the smoke cleared, the death toll from Sept. 11 topped even the devastation of Dec. 7, 1941, with almost 3,000 people, mostly civilians, dead.
Both the Pearl Harbor and Sept. 11 attacks had another similar consequence: pushing the United States into war.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt declared Dec. 7, 1941, ?a day which will live in infamy? and signed the Declaration of War against Japan the following day.
Adm. Mike Mullen, chief of naval operations, described what the United States was up against when it entered World War II during a late October visit to Oklahoma City. ?Things were tough,? Mullen said. ?Our fleet had taken a devastating blow. Japanese troops occupied Korea, China and would soon take over the Malaysian peninsula, Singapore and the Philippines.?
Nazi Germany, which already controlled a vast empire, declared war on the United States four days after the Pearl Harbor attack, Mullen noted.
Despite different challenges in the Atlantic and Pacific theaters, Mullen said, they ultimately boiled down to a common denominator. ?There were clearly two competing visions of the world: one of freedom, the other of tyranny,? he said. ?And tyranny appeared to have the upper hand.?
Mullen urged his Oklahoma City audience to ?fast forward to today? and the global war on terror.
?If the attack on the destroyer Cole, the treachery of 9-11, if events across the globe from London to Lebanon, Baghdad to Bali, from Pyongyang to Tehran, have taught us anything,? he said, ?it is that the struggle we currently face is also about two competing visions of the future and our vision of hope and prosperity and a secure future for our children (and) all children."
In his National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day 2006 proclamation, Bush noted similar challenges facing the United States today.
?In the 21st century, freedom is again under attack, and young Americans have stepped forward to serve in a global war on terror that will secure our liberty and determine the destiny of millions around the world,? he said. ?Like generations before, we will answer history's call with confidence, confront threats to our way of life, and build a more peaceful world for our children and grandchildren.?
Bush recalled the resolve Roosevelt demonstrated as the United States went to war. "We are going to win the war and we are going to win the peace that follows," Bush said, quoting Roosevelt.
Speaking in October at the dedication of the USS George H.W. Bush in Newport News, Va., the president praised the dedication World War II veterans demonstrated to ensure that victory.
He called U.S. troops fighting today?s war on terror ?a new generation of Americans every bit as brave and selfless as those who have come before them? and said they, too, will see the fight through to victory.
?Freedom is again under attack, and young Americans are volunteering to answer the call,? he said. ?Once again, with perseverance, and courage, and confidence in the power of freedom, a new generation of Americans will leave a more hopeful and peaceful world for generations to come.?
The answer is simple Scott.Both attacks were intended to cripple our country cut and dried.
There's your answer.Both agendas had a GOD behind it.Dieing(FUTU)for a higher being with no surrender.It is actually scary the similarities between the two.
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You haven't answered the question. Go find another family member if you have to. Why do the Muslims hate America? What happened to cause them to want to attack us? I don't recall the Muslims coming after us even after WWI. So what happened?
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No, you are scary. I will try not to give you a hard time as you are just a fucking idiot. Your brain is warped.
The Americans can never claim from now on that they didn?t know that there where no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They can?t claim that they didn?t know torture wasn?t widespread in American prisons, from Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib, and the thousands of other secret detention centers. They surely can?t claim not to know of this entire episode in which thousands have lost their lives and much more have seen their homes and lands destroyed as a result of the American military and its leaders who don?t hesitate in using the massive destructive power of the US on defenseless civilians.
My American friend was right, we do hate them now, but he never asked himself the question ?Why?? Why should a people living on the other side of the planet feel any sort of emotion toward the Americans, be it hate or love? Does anyone ever ask if the Muslims hate the Chileans or love the Chinese or dislike the Uruguayans? No, we are forever asked to express some sort of intense emotion toward the Americans. So, I have to admit finally, after decades of relations with the US, that they have convinced us that we should feel something and that our feelings have been boiled down today to pure hate. And why not? What have we as a people seen from the US in the past half century but an absence of respect for Muslim life, culture or religion, contempt and disregard for our rights and finally murder and torture from Afghanistan to Iraq.
The US has further driven us to dislike America with its blind support for a colonialist power such as Israel, in fact the only one left in the region. Whenever we have tried in the past to help alleviate the plight of the Palestinians we only got vetoed by the US at the UN Security Council followed by the free flow of arms and money to kill our fellow compatriots from Palestine to Lebanon. And whenever we Arabs try to get arms to defend ourselves against one of the strongest armies in the world, which has never hesitated in using its destructive power with impunity against us, we are blocked by America from acquiring the means by which we could defend ourselves.
We have watched America attack us, destroy us, impose embargoes against our nations and then conquer our lands, imprison our people and generally deal with us as though we are savage animals whereby every single law be it international or even American is totally disregarded when it concerns the rights of Arab and Muslim individuals. Then they ask us why we hate them? Tell me why do you hate us? What terrible crime have the Muslims committed against you in the past to deserve your interminable enmity? What have we done to see you rampage through our lands destroying and killing, then claiming obscenely that it was worth it for the sake of liberty and democracy?
Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so ?smart? bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you?ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of this nation?
Finally, you take aim at our religion by humiliating our beliefs. You abuse our book, use our convictions to torture us and degrade us, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as ours and to which torture and humiliation is anathema.
What were you thinking when you threw the Qur?an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for us and the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans hate us the Muslims so much?
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rustys mother just called and said this would be as good as it gets on mothers day.
My American friend was right, we do hate them now, but he never asked himself the question ?Why?? Why should a people living on the other side of the planet feel any sort of emotion toward the Americans, be it hate or love? Does anyone ever ask if the Muslims hate the Chileans or love the Chinese or dislike the Uruguayans? No, we are forever asked to express some sort of intense emotion toward the Americans. So, I have to admit finally, after decades of relations with the US, that they have convinced us that we should feel something and that our feelings have been boiled down today to pure hate. And why not? What have we as a people seen from the US in the past half century but an absence of respect for Muslim life, culture or religion, contempt and disregard for our rights and finally murder and torture from Afghanistan to Iraq.
The US has further driven us to dislike America with its blind support for a colonialist power such as Israel, in fact the only one left in the region. Whenever we have tried in the past to help alleviate the plight of the Palestinians we only got vetoed by the US at the UN Security Council followed by the free flow of arms and money to kill our fellow compatriots from Palestine to Lebanon. And whenever we Arabs try to get arms to defend ourselves against one of the strongest armies in the world, which has never hesitated in using its destructive power with impunity against us, we are blocked by America from acquiring the means by which we could defend ourselves.
We have watched America attack us, destroy us, impose embargoes against our nations and then conquer our lands, imprison our people and generally deal with us as though we are savage animals whereby every single law be it international or even American is totally disregarded when it concerns the rights of Arab and Muslim individuals. Then they ask us why we hate them? Tell me why do you hate us? What terrible crime have the Muslims committed against you in the past to deserve your interminable enmity? What have we done to see you rampage through our lands destroying and killing, then claiming obscenely that it was worth it for the sake of liberty and democracy?
Is it worth it for the million and a half Iraqis murdered in the embargo or the thousands of Afghans killed by your ever so ?smart? bombs? Or should we ask the Iraqis of today, whom you?ve killed by the thousands? Was all this death and destruction worth it for them? Did you ever bother to ask their opinion before you played God with the lives and destinies of this nation?
Finally, you take aim at our religion by humiliating our beliefs. You abuse our book, use our convictions to torture us and degrade us, disregarding your own laws and religion which is as noble as ours and to which torture and humiliation is anathema.
What were you thinking when you threw the Qur?an in the toilet or when you used religion as a means of torture? I fail to see the efficacy of such actions in the so-called war on terror. These methods only point to a deep sickness in your society to which it will take decades for us and the rest of the world to understand its cause and to measure its destructive results. No, the question which someday will have to be answered is why, why do you the Americans hate us the Muslims so much?
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rustys mother just called and said this would be as good as it gets on mothers day.
WHERE in the explanation for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that Scotty posted does it say ANYTHING about God???
Japan was an Imperialistic power that had already invaded mainland China, Taiwan and the Phillipines. Like the Nazi's, they were convinced they were a master race and it was their destiny to rule vast expanses of the world.
Now, please explain to the rest of us how that's analogous to a group of rogue terrorists scattered around the world, possessing no Army, no Navy, No Airforce, hijacking 4 commercial passenger jets in the U.S., then flying them into predetermined targets.
This oughta be good. :0corn
P.S. Feel free to use a lifeline here Rusty... phone a friend, ask your local bartender, call the psychic hotline, whatever.
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Seriously, I think we might have found someone less educated than Hedgy about world affairs. At least I get the feeling Hedgy knows he doesn't know shit. He is just a racist that is full of hate. Rusty on the other hand uses God as an excuse for his hateful ignorant hypocritical comments. Its really quite a variety of assholes we have in this forum.
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damn why dont youo just state how you really
feel.
I wish we could all gang up on DTB more though
he is more of a intelligent ignorant and I think he needs much more attention from us logical minded
down to earth types like myself
we do have a variety of assholes though , got to agree there.
