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Boca Raton Bowl

hey, if nothing else, gotta give them respect for not adding a sponsor to the bowl title. i keep expecting to see the Bob's Snake Emporium Boca Raton Bowl. stay pure, Boca!

so damn much to unpack in this game. as usual, most of it revolves around WHO THE FUCK IS PLAYING??? here's the latest from actionnetwork.com & sportsbettingdime.com.

Western Kentucky starting LT Travon Taylor got hurt for Western Kentucky in the regular-season finale and didn’t play in the conference championship game. Top cornerback Anthony Johnson Jr. also missed the conference title game.

James Madison's top LB, Jacob Dobbs, missed the last four games — and he still leads the team in tackles. His status for the bowl TBD, but looks like he is likely to return.

JMU quarterback Alzona Barnett will miss the bowl game with an injury, leaving Billy Atkins to start.

Western Kentucky Transfer Portal

  • Starting QB Caden Veltkamp (will play in bowl)
  • Starting WR Easton Messer
  • Starting C Evan Wibberley
  • Starting RG Rodney Newsom
  • Starting LB Darius Thomas
  • Starting DE Deante McCray
  • Starting NT Dallas Walker
  • Starting DT Hosea Wheeler (committed to Indiana)
  • Starting S Demarko Williams
  • Starting K Lucas Carneiro
  • DE Marcus Patterson ( 344 snaps)
  • S Alex Ford (170 snaps)
  • WR Moussa Barry (120 snaps)
  • DL Jayden Loving (121 snaps)
  • DL Jalil Rivera-Harvey (88 snaps)
  • WR Demick Starling (88 snaps)
  • RB LT Sanders (80 snaps)
  • Backup QB TJ Finley (original starter but lost job; signed with Tulane)
  • Third-string QB Turner Helton
  • Tight end River Helms (out for the season with an injury)
  • WR Koy Moore
Keep in mind that many Western Kentucky players (including quarterbacks) in the portal have played in their bowl games under head coach Tyson Helton. I assume Wheeler is out.

Helton confirmed that Veltkamp will play in the bowl game.

Western Kentucky Potential Opt-Outs

  • DB Upton Stout
James Madison Transfer Portal

  • Starting LT Jesse Ramil
  • DL Darold DeNgohe (275 snaps)
  • WR Max Moss (51 snaps)
and....

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seriously, wtf do you do with that list? 9 WKU starters, plus their kicker? and one source specifically says Veltkamp is playing, while the other states that he's not. Ok, I researched that one, and he is playing. and it looks like Wibberley, their starting Center, is also playing (but visiting Kentucky on Friday). i'm just not taking the time to dig into the rest of them. i'll assume most, if not all of them, are playing. Except Wheeler, he's definitely out.

so we have JMU, with their 3rd string qb, laying 7 to WKU with their starting qb. sure, makes sense.

some info on that JMU 3rd string qb, billy atkins. he is a redshirt junior, who has spent his entire career at JMU. he started one game, against marshall in 2022. it did not go well, in all fairness, if i recall correctly, marshall had a very good defense that year. but JMU was favored by 9.5, let after the first quarter 12-2 (it would have been 13-0, but marshall blocked a PAT and returned it for 2 points. that is the kind of detail you're not going to get in any other write-up of the boca raton bowl. you're welcome.) anyway, JMU didn't score again and lost 26-12. back to mr. atkins... he completed 13 of 35 for 164 with 1 TD and... brace yourself... 4 INTs. he was also sacked 7 times and lost a fumble. says a lot about your OC when you're leading at halftime with your backup qb, and you still call 42 pass plays, even as he keeps getting sacked and giving the other team the ball. but i digress. OCs are all idiots. atkins threw one more pass that year. it was also intercepted. anyway, since that fateful day, atkins has thrown all of 3 passes. and somehow JMU is favored by 7!!

JMU is led by Bob Chesney, in his first year.

they are expecting thunderstorms earlier in the day, but currently about a 35% chance of rain during the game. they are predicting wind (13 mph, gusts 16 mph) around kickoff, and gradually lessening through the evening. FAU Stadium has a grass field. Celebration Bermuda Turf Grass, to be exact.

ok, let's take a look at the #s.

JMU averages 4.81 yds/rush (44th in the country)
WKU allows 5.03 (110th)

WKU averages 3.59 yds/carry (110th)
JMU allows 3.62 (27th)

WKU averages 7.9 yds/pass att (34th)
JMU allows 6.11/att (19th)

JMU averages 7.34/att (68th)
WKU allows 7.69/att (71st)

JMU's strength on offense (the run game) matches up perfectly with WKU's weakness, while JMU's defense matches up well with WKU's offensive strength.

JMU tied for 5th in the country with 17 INTs (4 returned for TDs). Veltkamp did throw 10 INTs this year.

so two positive factors for Atkins... JMU should be able to run the ball, and WKU is 88th in the country with only 22 sacks on the year. and WKU is 62nd in the country with only 10 INTs.

big question mark as to WKU's mindset coming in. never mind the 94 guys in the portal. how excited will they be for this game? last game of the regular season, they earned their way into the conference title game by beating jax st 19-17 on a last-second fg. then jax st turned around and blew them out 52-12.

JMU, in their 2nd bowl appearance, is looking for their first win.

the fact that JMU is laying 7 with their 3rd string qb speaks volumes. realistically, their game plan HAS to be grinding out long drives and keeping the WKU offense off the field.

JMU (-7) 4 units
WKU TT Under (21.5) 5 to win 4
 

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Boca Raton Bowl

hey, if nothing else, gotta give them respect for not adding a sponsor to the bowl title. i keep expecting to see the Bob's Snake Emporium Boca Raton Bowl. stay pure, Boca!

so damn much to unpack in this game. as usual, most of it revolves around WHO THE FUCK IS PLAYING??? here's the latest from actionnetwork.com & sportsbettingdime.com.

Western Kentucky starting LT Travon Taylor got hurt for Western Kentucky in the regular-season finale and didn’t play in the conference championship game. Top cornerback Anthony Johnson Jr. also missed the conference title game.

James Madison's top LB, Jacob Dobbs, missed the last four games — and he still leads the team in tackles. His status for the bowl TBD, but looks like he is likely to return.

JMU quarterback Alzona Barnett will miss the bowl game with an injury, leaving Billy Atkins to start.

Western Kentucky Transfer Portal

  • Starting QB Caden Veltkamp (will play in bowl)
  • Starting WR Easton Messer
  • Starting C Evan Wibberley
  • Starting RG Rodney Newsom
  • Starting LB Darius Thomas
  • Starting DE Deante McCray
  • Starting NT Dallas Walker
  • Starting DT Hosea Wheeler (committed to Indiana)
  • Starting S Demarko Williams
  • Starting K Lucas Carneiro
  • DE Marcus Patterson ( 344 snaps)
  • S Alex Ford (170 snaps)
  • WR Moussa Barry (120 snaps)
  • DL Jayden Loving (121 snaps)
  • DL Jalil Rivera-Harvey (88 snaps)
  • WR Demick Starling (88 snaps)
  • RB LT Sanders (80 snaps)
  • Backup QB TJ Finley (original starter but lost job; signed with Tulane)
  • Third-string QB Turner Helton
  • Tight end River Helms (out for the season with an injury)
  • WR Koy Moore
Keep in mind that many Western Kentucky players (including quarterbacks) in the portal have played in their bowl games under head coach Tyson Helton. I assume Wheeler is out.

Helton confirmed that Veltkamp will play in the bowl game.

Western Kentucky Potential Opt-Outs

  • DB Upton Stout
James Madison Transfer Portal

  • Starting LT Jesse Ramil
  • DL Darold DeNgohe (275 snaps)
  • WR Max Moss (51 snaps)
and....

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seriously, wtf do you do with that list? 9 WKU starters, plus their kicker? and one source specifically says Veltkamp is playing, while the other states that he's not. Ok, I researched that one, and he is playing. and it looks like Wibberley, their starting Center, is also playing (but visiting Kentucky on Friday). i'm just not taking the time to dig into the rest of them. i'll assume most, if not all of them, are playing. Except Wheeler, he's definitely out.

so we have JMU, with their 3rd string qb, laying 7 to WKU with their starting qb. sure, makes sense.

some info on that JMU 3rd string qb, billy atkins. he is a redshirt junior, who has spent his entire career at JMU. he started one game, against marshall in 2022. it did not go well, in all fairness, if i recall correctly, marshall had a very good defense that year. but JMU was favored by 9.5, let after the first quarter 12-2 (it would have been 13-0, but marshall blocked a PAT and returned it for 2 points. that is the kind of detail you're not going to get in any other write-up of the boca raton bowl. you're welcome.) anyway, JMU didn't score again and lost 26-12. back to mr. atkins... he completed 13 of 35 for 164 with 1 TD and... brace yourself... 4 INTs. he was also sacked 7 times and lost a fumble. says a lot about your OC when you're leading at halftime with your backup qb, and you still call 42 pass plays, even as he keeps getting sacked and giving the other team the ball. but i digress. OCs are all idiots. atkins threw one more pass that year. it was also intercepted. anyway, since that fateful day, atkins has thrown all of 3 passes. and somehow JMU is favored by 7!!

JMU is led by Bob Chesney, in his first year.

they are expecting thunderstorms earlier in the day, but currently about a 35% chance of rain during the game. they are predicting wind (13 mph, gusts 16 mph) around kickoff, and gradually lessening through the evening. FAU Stadium has a grass field. Celebration Bermuda Turf Grass, to be exact.

ok, let's take a look at the #s.

JMU averages 4.81 yds/rush (44th in the country)
WKU allows 5.03 (110th)

WKU averages 3.59 yds/carry (110th)
JMU allows 3.62 (27th)

WKU averages 7.9 yds/pass att (34th)
JMU allows 6.11/att (19th)

JMU averages 7.34/att (68th)
WKU allows 7.69/att (71st)

JMU's strength on offense (the run game) matches up perfectly with WKU's weakness, while JMU's defense matches up well with WKU's offensive strength.

JMU tied for 5th in the country with 17 INTs (4 returned for TDs). Veltkamp did throw 10 INTs this year.

so two positive factors for Atkins... JMU should be able to run the ball, and WKU is 88th in the country with only 22 sacks on the year. and WKU is 62nd in the country with only 10 INTs.

big question mark as to WKU's mindset coming in. never mind the 94 guys in the portal. how excited will they be for this game? last game of the regular season, they earned their way into the conference title game by beating jax st 19-17 on a last-second fg. then jax st turned around and blew them out 52-12.

JMU, in their 2nd bowl appearance, is looking for their first win.

the fact that JMU is laying 7 with their 3rd string qb speaks volumes. realistically, their game plan HAS to be grinding out long drives and keeping the WKU offense off the field.

JMU (-7) 4 units
WKU TT Under (21.5) 5 to win 4
Incredible writeup, thanks and good luck!
 

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I don't have any idea why you like JMU with a 3rd string QB but maybe the WKU QB is actually out? I know JMU has the better team
primarily because they should be able to run the ball and get stops on defense. and, really, they should have a huge motivational edge.

but, hey, i've been wrong plenty of times.
 

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Smitty, I hope all the 'in the transfer portal' info is copy and paste!! no way I'd type in that many guys names/positions lol
Your efforts are appreciated, and please forgive me as in NO way am I bitching about the effort you've put in on a write up here.. just seeking info.

Q: you say at top list of players in the transfer portal, the WKy QB (VeltKamp) "will play in bowl", but then later you list ONLY 5 guys that won't play, and VeltKamp and backup QB Finley are 2 of the 5 that "won't play".

as is normal in much of my life (particularly in the area of women), I am somewhat confused.

Your continued efforts throughout Bowl season are enjoyed and appreciated!!

LoB
 
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Smitty, I hope all the 'in the transfer portal' info is copy and paste!! no way I'd type in that many guys names/positions lol
Your efforts are appreciated, and please forgive me as in NO way am I bitching about the effort you've put in on a write up here.. just seeking info.

Q: you say at top list of players in the transfer portal, the WKy QB (VeltKamp) "will play in bowl", but then later you list ONLY 5 guys that won't play, and VeltKamp and backup QB Finley are 2 of the 5 that "won't play".

as is normal in much of my life (particularly in the area of women), I am somewhat confused.

Your continued efforts throughout Bowl season are enjoyed and appreciated!!

LoB
Read the whole write up and your question will be answered
 
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Smitty, I hope all the 'in the transfer portal' info is copy and paste!! no way I'd type in that many guys names/positions lol
Your efforts are appreciated, and please forgive me as in NO way am I bitching about the effort you've put in on a write up here.. just seeking info.

Q: you say at top list of players in the transfer portal, the WKy QB (VeltKamp) "will play in bowl", but then later you list ONLY 5 guys that won't play, and VeltKamp and backup QB Finley are 2 of the 5 that "won't play".

as is normal in much of my life (particularly in the area of women), I am somewhat confused.

Your continued efforts throughout Bowl season are enjoyed and appreciated!!

LoB
that info is all cut-and-paste. and the conflicting info is annoying. reminds me of the saying... a man with two clocks never knows the correct time.

from what i could find, veltkamp is playing.
 
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sorry, guys, i don't have time to do my normal work on the LA bowl. played pickleball earlier, then we had lunch and a beer. and i'm heading out in a little while to play trivia. at a brewery. retirement is good.

just a few quick thoughts.... i know mendoza is out. i read somewhere that both his backups have plenty of experience. doesn't mean they're any good, but at least they've played.

no idea what kind of effort we'll see from unlv after that awful first half at boise doomed them.

cal had, of course, a ridiculous travel schedule this year.... playing games in alabama, florida, pennsylvania, north carolina, and texas. i'm hoping the 2 1/2 weeks off have given them a chance to rest up.

i won't count this one as part of my record, because i haven't had the chance to really dig in, but i am playing cal. some at +3.5 and a little on the ML.
 
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Boca Raton Bowl

hey, if nothing else, gotta give them respect for not adding a sponsor to the bowl title. i keep expecting to see the Bob's Snake Emporium Boca Raton Bowl. stay pure, Boca!

so damn much to unpack in this game. as usual, most of it revolves around WHO THE FUCK IS PLAYING??? here's the latest from actionnetwork.com & sportsbettingdime.com.

Western Kentucky starting LT Travon Taylor got hurt for Western Kentucky in the regular-season finale and didn’t play in the conference championship game. Top cornerback Anthony Johnson Jr. also missed the conference title game.

James Madison's top LB, Jacob Dobbs, missed the last four games — and he still leads the team in tackles. His status for the bowl TBD, but looks like he is likely to return.

JMU quarterback Alzona Barnett will miss the bowl game with an injury, leaving Billy Atkins to start.

Western Kentucky Transfer Portal

  • Starting QB Caden Veltkamp (will play in bowl)
  • Starting WR Easton Messer
  • Starting C Evan Wibberley
  • Starting RG Rodney Newsom
  • Starting LB Darius Thomas
  • Starting DE Deante McCray
  • Starting NT Dallas Walker
  • Starting DT Hosea Wheeler (committed to Indiana)
  • Starting S Demarko Williams
  • Starting K Lucas Carneiro
  • DE Marcus Patterson ( 344 snaps)
  • S Alex Ford (170 snaps)
  • WR Moussa Barry (120 snaps)
  • DL Jayden Loving (121 snaps)
  • DL Jalil Rivera-Harvey (88 snaps)
  • WR Demick Starling (88 snaps)
  • RB LT Sanders (80 snaps)
  • Backup QB TJ Finley (original starter but lost job; signed with Tulane)
  • Third-string QB Turner Helton
  • Tight end River Helms (out for the season with an injury)
  • WR Koy Moore
Keep in mind that many Western Kentucky players (including quarterbacks) in the portal have played in their bowl games under head coach Tyson Helton. I assume Wheeler is out.

Helton confirmed that Veltkamp will play in the bowl game.

Western Kentucky Potential Opt-Outs

  • DB Upton Stout
James Madison Transfer Portal

  • Starting LT Jesse Ramil
  • DL Darold DeNgohe (275 snaps)
  • WR Max Moss (51 snaps)
and....

View attachment 6968823

seriously, wtf do you do with that list? 9 WKU starters, plus their kicker? and one source specifically says Veltkamp is playing, while the other states that he's not. Ok, I researched that one, and he is playing. and it looks like Wibberley, their starting Center, is also playing (but visiting Kentucky on Friday). i'm just not taking the time to dig into the rest of them. i'll assume most, if not all of them, are playing. Except Wheeler, he's definitely out.

so we have JMU, with their 3rd string qb, laying 7 to WKU with their starting qb. sure, makes sense.

some info on that JMU 3rd string qb, billy atkins. he is a redshirt junior, who has spent his entire career at JMU. he started one game, against marshall in 2022. it did not go well, in all fairness, if i recall correctly, marshall had a very good defense that year. but JMU was favored by 9.5, let after the first quarter 12-2 (it would have been 13-0, but marshall blocked a PAT and returned it for 2 points. that is the kind of detail you're not going to get in any other write-up of the boca raton bowl. you're welcome.) anyway, JMU didn't score again and lost 26-12. back to mr. atkins... he completed 13 of 35 for 164 with 1 TD and... brace yourself... 4 INTs. he was also sacked 7 times and lost a fumble. says a lot about your OC when you're leading at halftime with your backup qb, and you still call 42 pass plays, even as he keeps getting sacked and giving the other team the ball. but i digress. OCs are all idiots. atkins threw one more pass that year. it was also intercepted. anyway, since that fateful day, atkins has thrown all of 3 passes. and somehow JMU is favored by 7!!

JMU is led by Bob Chesney, in his first year.

they are expecting thunderstorms earlier in the day, but currently about a 35% chance of rain during the game. they are predicting wind (13 mph, gusts 16 mph) around kickoff, and gradually lessening through the evening. FAU Stadium has a grass field. Celebration Bermuda Turf Grass, to be exact.

ok, let's take a look at the #s.

JMU averages 4.81 yds/rush (44th in the country)
WKU allows 5.03 (110th)

WKU averages 3.59 yds/carry (110th)
JMU allows 3.62 (27th)

WKU averages 7.9 yds/pass att (34th)
JMU allows 6.11/att (19th)

JMU averages 7.34/att (68th)
WKU allows 7.69/att (71st)

JMU's strength on offense (the run game) matches up perfectly with WKU's weakness, while JMU's defense matches up well with WKU's offensive strength.

JMU tied for 5th in the country with 17 INTs (4 returned for TDs). Veltkamp did throw 10 INTs this year.

so two positive factors for Atkins... JMU should be able to run the ball, and WKU is 88th in the country with only 22 sacks on the year. and WKU is 62nd in the country with only 10 INTs.

big question mark as to WKU's mindset coming in. never mind the 94 guys in the portal. how excited will they be for this game? last game of the regular season, they earned their way into the conference title game by beating jax st 19-17 on a last-second fg. then jax st turned around and blew them out 52-12.

JMU, in their 2nd bowl appearance, is looking for their first win.

the fact that JMU is laying 7 with their 3rd string qb speaks volumes. realistically, their game plan HAS to be grinding out long drives and keeping the WKU offense off the field.

JMU (-7) 4 units
WKU TT Under (21.5) 5 to win 4
The Titanic wouldn't have gotten touched by the WKU defense. This is a blow out n the making.
 

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sorry, guys, i don't have time to do my normal work on the LA bowl. played pickleball earlier, then we had lunch and a beer. and i'm heading out in a little while to play trivia. at a brewery. retirement is good.

just a few quick thoughts.... i know mendoza is out. i read somewhere that both his backups have plenty of experience. doesn't mean they're any good, but at least they've played.

no idea what kind of effort we'll see from unlv after that awful first half at boise doomed them.

cal had, of course, a ridiculous travel schedule this year.... playing games in alabama, florida, pennsylvania, north carolina, and texas. i'm hoping the 2 1/2 weeks off have given them a chance to rest up.

i won't count this one as part of my record, because i haven't had the chance to really dig in, but i am playing cal. some at +3.5 and a little on the ML.
My guys played Cal -3 afterwards he said had no idea the QB for Cal wasn't playing and he is usually way ahead of those moves , so Let's FN Go CAL...
GL Smitty....
 

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Cal's looking like the better team so far..

I had 1 spot open in a small 3tm par w/Mem ml and Over last night, so I threw in Cal ML :p
Now I've got some rooting interest!
Happy Jerry Seinfeld GIF

and BOOM right on schedule, Cal scores TD ~~ 10-0 woohooo!

GL to US!
 

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well crud!

1st.. I think that TE scored a TD (not sure why it wasn't given as he had foot in and reached ball over the goal line)
2nd.. great fake punt by Unlv, but I wonder about the rule for ineligible downfield.. there was half dozen guys 10 yds downfield
3rd.. even after not getting refs to call the TD on review, you gotta be able to score from inside the 1

I've got 3 plays on Cal/total..
*gm Over 35.5 to win 50 (teaser) <-- lock
*Cal +4.5 to win 60/40
*Cal ML to finish a 3tm par to win $265
Vegas has some good skill position players, hopeful Cal bulls their neck and makes some plays

GL
 

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well crud!

1st.. I think that TE scored a TD (not sure why it wasn't given as he had foot in and reached ball over the goal line)
2nd.. great fake punt by Unlv, but I wonder about the rule for ineligible downfield.. there was half dozen guys 10 yds downfield
3rd.. even after not getting refs to call the TD on review, you gotta be able to score from inside the 1

I've got 3 plays on Cal/total..
*gm Over 35.5 to win 50 (teaser) <-- lock
*Cal +4.5 to win 60/40
*Cal ML to finish a 3tm par to win $265
Vegas has some good skill position players, hopeful Cal bulls their neck and makes some plays

GL
i just kinda FF'd through the 1st half. not sure why they didn't give him the td. i guess i still don't fully understand when you get the "goal line extended" and when you don't.

i am pretty sure i know the answer to #2... the pass was completed behind the line of scrimmage, so linemen can be downfield. i think that's ok in college, but not the nfl.

#3 i could not agree more, of course. not sure why ott wasn't even on the field for at least the 3rd down play. he's mostly resembling the ott of last year, which i was hoping he would.

cal's kicker... man. i hope it doesn't come down to him having to make a 40-yarder.

overall, a decent half. cal is looking pretty good. i forgot one of those experienced backup qbs got hurt their last game and was unlikely to play today. but harris has been fine. i felt good about him after a very early play, maybe the 2nd play of the game, when they called a WR screen. the d-back jumped the play. instead of forcing the throw and probably throwing a TAINT, he immediately tucked the ball and got what he could. that is the benefit of a backup with some experience. it won't show up in any box score, but unlv could have been up 7-0 a couple plays in.

alrighty, i'll watch the 2nd half in the AM. and i'll go to sleep smiling about the boca raton bowl. :)
 
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