Nolan last year hit 60%. I hope everyone understands how hard that is to do. I know many of you long timers here do. However for some new folks. Listen up! you here all that BS from these guys that want your money. There going to hit 68/75/even 80%. BS. I wonder what the odds are for Nolan to just do back to back 60%. Well I know some you guys good with numbers will help tell us. This could help a lot of folks remember it takes hard work, and the long haul. It just don't happen easy. Lets here what some of you hope to accomplish this year. Remember everyone you need a plan. Lets here some good ideas and thouhgts on this.
60% Winners NFL ??
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if a service tells you they even hit the 60%mark i wouldnot belive many of them,it you run a service and have to market and other things it takes time from the handicapper,there are a few that did that % very few i would say less then 10% on the high side to be nice.
Well,
I have hit 60% before in football, but I doubt I bet on as many games as Nolan did (actually I probably bet very few compared to most of you in a weekend 3 maybe 4 games). I have not seen many go above the 50-55% mark though. However, I have seen one capper (who bet a lot of games) hit over 60% and rate their plays with certain strengths which games to bet more on etc. etc. A BIG $$$$ maker. I think that this capper is probably the best football capper I have ever seen, and his screen user name is Rosey. I am sure Nick Douglas knows who I am talking about, because I used to look at both of their plays at another website. I have heard great things about Nolan, especially his totals which I will be looking forward to seeing. Also, I really look forward to seeing the other great cappers plays here at madjacks.
kneifl
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I have hit 60% before in football, but I doubt I bet on as many games as Nolan did (actually I probably bet very few compared to most of you in a weekend 3 maybe 4 games). I have not seen many go above the 50-55% mark though. However, I have seen one capper (who bet a lot of games) hit over 60% and rate their plays with certain strengths which games to bet more on etc. etc. A BIG $$$$ maker. I think that this capper is probably the best football capper I have ever seen, and his screen user name is Rosey. I am sure Nick Douglas knows who I am talking about, because I used to look at both of their plays at another website. I have heard great things about Nolan, especially his totals which I will be looking forward to seeing. Also, I really look forward to seeing the other great cappers plays here at madjacks.
kneifl
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as a side note that should be brought up..cause people may be looking for the big kill every fall and also out of respect for anyone involved(an i mean that).....NFL should be about 18-20% of a overall yearly budget of making money in this game...tops!
percentage wise./well...on overall number bottom line cash outlay/wise its means didly squat....
i/you gotta bankroll w/ the mickey types 20 times what i normally do w/ other sports...low point of the year is NFL and NCAA Foots as far as money in pocket if your serious about this business...keep in mindset of what your trying to do..
if its entertainment...fine....if other...well..you already know....so disregard.
Nolan is one to follow for sure!!.....but keep everything in perspective.....cause you will get blown away fast if not.
good luck.....just don't get caught up in the football crazies
IE
percentage wise./well...on overall number bottom line cash outlay/wise its means didly squat....
i/you gotta bankroll w/ the mickey types 20 times what i normally do w/ other sports...low point of the year is NFL and NCAA Foots as far as money in pocket if your serious about this business...keep in mindset of what your trying to do..
if its entertainment...fine....if other...well..you already know....so disregard.
Nolan is one to follow for sure!!.....but keep everything in perspective.....cause you will get blown away fast if not.
good luck.....just don't get caught up in the football crazies
IE
djv
i believe the only way to consistently keep up a 60 plus in the nfl is to properly handicap the handicappers.
in my book, 60 percent is the hump we all want to get over, but few can.
nolan is very meticulous and i do believe he can keep it up if he limits his number of picks. that means that some weeks there will only be 3 or 4 or maybe even less. some others will yield 6-8. it all depends on the card.
senor capper has successfully put together 2 60 plus seasons, and i do believe he uses other 'cappers to come to his decisions. if he reads this he may want to jump in with his side.
i personally hit 59 and 55 in my first two years, as per contests, and am aiming to get a bit more serious (spend more time on it) and get over that 60 hump this year, but still refuse to follow others. that is just for my personal satisfaction, not for the money.
pep
i believe the only way to consistently keep up a 60 plus in the nfl is to properly handicap the handicappers.
in my book, 60 percent is the hump we all want to get over, but few can.
nolan is very meticulous and i do believe he can keep it up if he limits his number of picks. that means that some weeks there will only be 3 or 4 or maybe even less. some others will yield 6-8. it all depends on the card.
senor capper has successfully put together 2 60 plus seasons, and i do believe he uses other 'cappers to come to his decisions. if he reads this he may want to jump in with his side.
i personally hit 59 and 55 in my first two years, as per contests, and am aiming to get a bit more serious (spend more time on it) and get over that 60 hump this year, but still refuse to follow others. that is just for my personal satisfaction, not for the money.
pep
59 or 60% can be and is hit by good solid handicappers in football,i do fine for myself in the ncaa,but a service is a totaly different thing,your number one thing in a service is markinting,cash flow then winning and that takes time and work that could or would be spent on handicapping.i know this as a fact not made up words.
look at what i said #2 wascash flow does everyone understand what i meen,not saying all services,i for one trust kevin from this site and i would also trust jr44 i have no problem if i had to put my trust in them,because i belive in them as people,but for most of the others you will see the keep 50% of the people happy plays more then onetime in a year,hell some can do it every week for awhile to someone catches on.just be carefull,i have no problems with clean services just like the 2 men i named above,but i find great problems,with a service that whants to run the flip flop game.
and i have been ask to work with a couple for very nice income one a few weeks ago barfly and madjack and i talked about it and i dont and will never need money the way they wanted to use my name.just watch where you spend your money.good luck to all in the upcoming season.
look at what i said #2 wascash flow does everyone understand what i meen,not saying all services,i for one trust kevin from this site and i would also trust jr44 i have no problem if i had to put my trust in them,because i belive in them as people,but for most of the others you will see the keep 50% of the people happy plays more then onetime in a year,hell some can do it every week for awhile to someone catches on.just be carefull,i have no problems with clean services just like the 2 men i named above,but i find great problems,with a service that whants to run the flip flop game.
and i have been ask to work with a couple for very nice income one a few weeks ago barfly and madjack and i talked about it and i dont and will never need money the way they wanted to use my name.just watch where you spend your money.good luck to all in the upcoming season.
Thanks guys. Just wanted to remind many that Yes you can win at football. As you said IE it is not the better sport to make the most at. It is good to warn so many new folks here. Watch your money roll. Do not get caught up in lock of the day, week stuff. The season is 6 months long. The NFL is harder then NCCA. Hitting under 60% is more the norm then over. Do some of your own capping. It makes what you play of someone else, such as Nolans make more sence. Do ask questions of anyone here. Do not think your smarter then the power of numbers. By that I mean ask the questions. You see some very good cappers here on one side and you like the other. Hey ask why, just don't be a smart ass about it. Hard work always helps.
Good Luck.
Good Luck.
Pep my buddy
though we have never met, you can read me like a book
Yes I "study" and/or "handicap" the handicappers
Working 40 plus hours a week, putting the rest of my time into my Solar Screen biz
and of course my wife & 3 boyz
I have too little time to number crunch so I do the above and live & die by strong trends
Hey if it works (it does) and makes me the bucks I will continue.
ALthough I do it mostly for the thrill of beating the books.
True the last 2 seasons I have managed over 60% winners My best was 2 seasons ago pulling in a happy 69% picking 4 selections per week for 17 weeks. "Sweet 17 Contest"
Pepin46 and (Sknzh8tr where are you?)are my role models. woooooohoooooooo
Damn I'm getting excited just thinking of the upcoming season
Bring it on
~~~Lanny
though we have never met, you can read me like a book
Yes I "study" and/or "handicap" the handicappers
Working 40 plus hours a week, putting the rest of my time into my Solar Screen biz
and of course my wife & 3 boyz
I have too little time to number crunch so I do the above and live & die by strong trends
Hey if it works (it does) and makes me the bucks I will continue.
ALthough I do it mostly for the thrill of beating the books.
True the last 2 seasons I have managed over 60% winners My best was 2 seasons ago pulling in a happy 69% picking 4 selections per week for 17 weeks. "Sweet 17 Contest"
Pepin46 and (Sknzh8tr where are you?)are my role models. woooooohoooooooo
Damn I'm getting excited just thinking of the upcoming season
Bring it on
~~~Lanny
Oh yeah and the 2 books I use for both NCAA and NFL football season are:
Athlon &^
Mark Lawrences "Playbook" ( a must)
I also take a gander at the gold sheet and pointwise sheet as well as the Hilton Contest leaderboard
Athlon &^
Mark Lawrences "Playbook" ( a must)
I also take a gander at the gold sheet and pointwise sheet as well as the Hilton Contest leaderboard
Good points all around about hitting 60% or better in football.
Fletcher makes a very good point about the "Sports Services" business being about marketing, for which you need cashflow, and how that leaves little time and energy for handicapping.
But can one of you tell me about something I've been wondering about for a long time? (Fletcher..you may have the skinny on how this works)
There's a monitoring site that really does SEEM to be on the up and up...Ruth Glasgow's The Sports Monitor of Okla (Jack..delete here if I've done a no-no by mentioning a site I shouldn't have). She's been around for quite some time.
The touts pay to supposedly have their plays monitored. It SEEMS honest...I mean she has very elaborate instructions posted on how to call in plays, etc. I've had a guy that's just a "small fry" starting out in the biz tell me he paid to have his picks monitored last year (he ended up with a losing season)...he claims it seems honest to him, but he has no real way of knowing. The winning sites get posted on the web site, while she sends out a "newsletter" with everyone else's record to subscribers.
If you look at what she has posted, some of those guys have put up some incredible win percentages. Quite a few have hit 60% or better. One service is even listed as hitting 70% in the NFL last year.
My question is...does anyone know if it's an honest monitioring of the tout's plays? Seems to me the Big Boys could "influence" their record by offering to pay a higher "monitoring" fee. Anyone know for sure?
Fletcher makes a very good point about the "Sports Services" business being about marketing, for which you need cashflow, and how that leaves little time and energy for handicapping.
But can one of you tell me about something I've been wondering about for a long time? (Fletcher..you may have the skinny on how this works)
There's a monitoring site that really does SEEM to be on the up and up...Ruth Glasgow's The Sports Monitor of Okla (Jack..delete here if I've done a no-no by mentioning a site I shouldn't have). She's been around for quite some time.
The touts pay to supposedly have their plays monitored. It SEEMS honest...I mean she has very elaborate instructions posted on how to call in plays, etc. I've had a guy that's just a "small fry" starting out in the biz tell me he paid to have his picks monitored last year (he ended up with a losing season)...he claims it seems honest to him, but he has no real way of knowing. The winning sites get posted on the web site, while she sends out a "newsletter" with everyone else's record to subscribers.
If you look at what she has posted, some of those guys have put up some incredible win percentages. Quite a few have hit 60% or better. One service is even listed as hitting 70% in the NFL last year.
My question is...does anyone know if it's an honest monitioring of the tout's plays? Seems to me the Big Boys could "influence" their record by offering to pay a higher "monitoring" fee. Anyone know for sure?
That service has been around a while. Not sure if on the up and up. But when I here 70% first thing I ask. did they pick 10 games all year and hit 7. Of course that can work. But most pick at least 4 to 6 a week. If they hit 60% they did good. If I remember right they have many categories. Gold phone service, blue service, 900 service, and normal pick sheet by mail. It sure is funny witch ever one is going good thats what you hear about. Boy you should have been on this one with us this week. I call it BS. If you got a honest outfit. They put out 4 to 6 plays a week and you get them. Period. Like Nolan last year you got all his plays. He did not turn around and give some other place other picks or other sides of same game. Hey we have those who do it. Just so they may be right some place. I give that service little attention.
this is only what i was told about them from a good source,for a price your plays were adjusted after out come.nothing is for free.
djv...actually I think they are supposed to to pick at least 40 games or so over the season to be monitored.
fletch...kind of what I suspected, especially since a lot of the names seem to have ties to the big marketing guys. you're probably right...no free lunch (well..there USED to be in your fair city, but even the buffets are getting pricy these days
..btw, hope you're doing better)
fletch...kind of what I suspected, especially since a lot of the names seem to have ties to the big marketing guys. you're probably right...no free lunch (well..there USED to be in your fair city, but even the buffets are getting pricy these days
doing good i been in your town a few times parents have a house on muriles inlet right outside myrtle beach. use to go there every summer.had to go to c-town at least twice a summer for the fort and to enjoy old town.
djv...he DO sound better don't he!
Fletcher..if you ever get out this way again, you'll have to come by. Little on the steamy side last couple of days..but hey, dat's why God gave us air conditioning...take care
Fletcher..if you ever get out this way again, you'll have to come by. Little on the steamy side last couple of days..but hey, dat's why God gave us air conditioning...take care
DC: DJV hit the nail on the head with the different catagories.I have never had their #'s remotely corresponde with #'s compiled independently.As a rule of thumb always look at sources with a monetary interest objectively.
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How hard is 60% winners in the NFL?
In last years Hilton Super Contest (5 sides/week)
Only the top 8 went 60%+ out of 150+ competing.
In last years Hilton Super Contest (5 sides/week)
Only the top 8 went 60%+ out of 150+ competing.
coldbeer
judging by what i saw, i perceive more than half of those who entered had no business being there.
since it is unrestricted, probably these people got in for an ego trip.
this is what i was talking about earlier, that if you can interpret the hilton numbers correctly, taking into account what i just mentioned before, you could get over the 60% by doing 3-4 games a week using some of their stats, and i am certainly not talking about the consensus numbers.
pep
judging by what i saw, i perceive more than half of those who entered had no business being there.
since it is unrestricted, probably these people got in for an ego trip.
this is what i was talking about earlier, that if you can interpret the hilton numbers correctly, taking into account what i just mentioned before, you could get over the 60% by doing 3-4 games a week using some of their stats, and i am certainly not talking about the consensus numbers.
pep
re: the Hilton Contest
There are some like my buddy who got into it not mainly for the money prizes but to have fun. Sure he came out ahead by about 1500 (after minusing his entry fee) or so but moreso he had a blast. Sure there are some also who do it to boost their ego, like seeing their name up there and/or playing with the big boyz.
I think long and hard every year about joining and had a few friends wanting to "go in" with me on a entry.
Like those 3 guys under the name "3 Blind Mice"
Maybe this year ?
~~~Lanny
There are some like my buddy who got into it not mainly for the money prizes but to have fun. Sure he came out ahead by about 1500 (after minusing his entry fee) or so but moreso he had a blast. Sure there are some also who do it to boost their ego, like seeing their name up there and/or playing with the big boyz.
I think long and hard every year about joining and had a few friends wanting to "go in" with me on a entry.
Like those 3 guys under the name "3 Blind Mice"
Maybe this year ?
~~~Lanny
