A DAMN GOOD REASON WE INVADED IRAQ
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CHARLESMANSON said:
Actually, you're probably the one who needs to substantiate your claim that they were getting fired on every day for 12 years. It's hard to find supporting evidence of something that didn't happen.
They weren't, but even if we *were* fired on for 4,000 straight days, and were never even grazed, I wouldn't exactly call that a good reason to send 1000 and counting troops to their graves and/or spend hundreds of billions dollars and counting. Would you?
Does it matter when I, myself started caring? I think that is totally irrelevant. I think it mattered to the victims that were exterminated, and their families. I guess you wouldn't be able to relate so you have no clue.
Again....why did Kerry say "knowing what we know now I would have taken the same path"?
Again....why did Kerry say "knowing what we know now I would have taken the same path"?
Kdogg:
Don't you know nothin! The man responsible for the murder of over 3000 people on 9-11 is in the hills of Pakistan/Afghanistan watching Fox news and prayin Georgie boy gets re-elected. He loves the attention Georgie boy is paying to Iraq.
If I was related to one of those who died that day, I would be so pissed at this administration. The guy who murdered my relative/friend/associate is roaming free while another 1000 Americans are killed in a war which no one on this board, or in this country, for that matter can explain. Georgie boy didnt have enough confidence in the American military and intelligence agencies to believe they could find an elusive target like bin Laden so they focused on a diversionary easy target like Hussein. Real brave that Bush boy.
Another thing Kdogg, Bush has not done a decent job protecting this country. He has begat a whole new generation of terrorists which my kids are going to have to deal with. This cowboy thinks he can wipe them all out. What a moron.
Remember what Bush said 4 years ago. He said he was a uniter not a divider. He said the US would take a nonaggressive role in foreign affairs. He would bring us together. All one has to do is look at the divisive opinions on this board to see how Bushie boy did on his promises. Liar and a criminal.
Eddie
Don't you know nothin! The man responsible for the murder of over 3000 people on 9-11 is in the hills of Pakistan/Afghanistan watching Fox news and prayin Georgie boy gets re-elected. He loves the attention Georgie boy is paying to Iraq.
If I was related to one of those who died that day, I would be so pissed at this administration. The guy who murdered my relative/friend/associate is roaming free while another 1000 Americans are killed in a war which no one on this board, or in this country, for that matter can explain. Georgie boy didnt have enough confidence in the American military and intelligence agencies to believe they could find an elusive target like bin Laden so they focused on a diversionary easy target like Hussein. Real brave that Bush boy.
Another thing Kdogg, Bush has not done a decent job protecting this country. He has begat a whole new generation of terrorists which my kids are going to have to deal with. This cowboy thinks he can wipe them all out. What a moron.
Remember what Bush said 4 years ago. He said he was a uniter not a divider. He said the US would take a nonaggressive role in foreign affairs. He would bring us together. All one has to do is look at the divisive opinions on this board to see how Bushie boy did on his promises. Liar and a criminal.
Eddie
im sure bush, kerry or gore would of taken the same path, but the same plan?? i dont think so. Bush had no idea what he was getting into when he invaded that country. He should of focused on Afghanistan and Osama first.
By the way Chuckie, you getting ready to pack your bags for Sudan? How bout the next train leaving for Tehran? Speak any North Korean lately. Then we can line up the French next.
You are a sicko.
Eddie
You are a sicko.
Eddie
Firing every day for 12 years??? I SAID THAT???
omg and you accuse me of exagerrating???
I'm not even going to debate you anymore because you're grasping at distant straws now. Typical Liberal.
omg and you accuse me of exagerrating???
I'm not even going to debate you anymore because you're grasping at distant straws now. Typical Liberal.
Eddie, looks like Iran needs to be dealt with first. This time I think the UN will take a little stronger stance and hopefully play a bigger role. We shall see. Call me a sicko if you want, it sure is funny that Bush has opened up a 2 digit lead in the polls. I guess I'm not the only sicko out there.
See ya Chuck. Say hi to Tex and Sadie for me. You are as wacked as your internet identity.
Eddie
Eddie
CHARLESMANSON said:
In a way, it matters. Just like plenty of others, you pretend to give a shit about Iraqi civilians because there is nothing left in terms of justifying the invasion. Let's face it, you never cared about the Iraqis before and you really don't now either.
Really? They must be the 10% that see America in a favorable way. What I personally care more about is our troops dying for nothing and leaving the military cupboard bare. All for what?
Who knows? He's a dipshit.
I wouldn't buy into all the poles just yet Charlie. Kerry is a closer. Plus he's now got Begala and Carville on the team. Hopefully, they can correct the relatively poor campaign which Kerry has run so far.
Ed
Ed
Eddie......If Kerry can't even run an effective presidential campaign then how could you trust him to run a whole nation??? (Can't wait to hear this answer.)
Also, don't forget you also have the Dixie Chicks and Springstein concert tour coming up too, with a goal of expelling Bush. Uh oh, the right side is in trouble lol. I think Alice Cooper said it best...."If you need to listen to a rockstar to help you make your decision then you're more of a moron than they are."
KOSAR.......re: our troops losing lives....All for what??? You did see yesterdays U.S. WMD report that said Saddam was indeed in the process of reviving his WMD programs didn't you? I'd like you to comment on that please.
Well thats the end of the WMD debate.
You say our troops are dying for no reason, yet you fail to mention that we also liberated 50,000,000 people. Kinda reminds me of WW2, where we lost troops while rescuing France and the rest of Europe. Blood was shed. You gonna tell me that was wrong??? I guess we should have left Hitler alone too huh? I do agree it sucks when we lose our troops but sometimes we have no choice but to put boots on the ground. It's been that way since the beginning of time Kosar.
As everyone already knows, the ultra-liberal media only gives you one side of the coin. You think only 10% of Iraqis see us in a favorable way? Maybe you need to talk to some troops over there so they can tell you how most Iraqis appreciate what we have done for them. Most Iraqi locals treat the soldiers like rockstars or heros....trust me I've talked to soldiers who were there. You obviously also never saw footage of the day Iraq was liberated. Not all Iraqis are insurgents. Most are civil human beings who had the poor misfortune of living under a murderous, raping dictatorship.
Iraqi women used to be taken out to football stadiums and publicly assasinated. Eye gouging was a favorite too. Another tool Saddam and his boys used was rape. They would gang rape women, video tape it, and send the tape to the woman's family. Nice government. And you want to tell me that 90% of Iraqis hate the fact that we liberated them?
Unreal.
Also, don't forget you also have the Dixie Chicks and Springstein concert tour coming up too, with a goal of expelling Bush. Uh oh, the right side is in trouble lol. I think Alice Cooper said it best...."If you need to listen to a rockstar to help you make your decision then you're more of a moron than they are."
KOSAR.......re: our troops losing lives....All for what??? You did see yesterdays U.S. WMD report that said Saddam was indeed in the process of reviving his WMD programs didn't you? I'd like you to comment on that please.
Well thats the end of the WMD debate.
You say our troops are dying for no reason, yet you fail to mention that we also liberated 50,000,000 people. Kinda reminds me of WW2, where we lost troops while rescuing France and the rest of Europe. Blood was shed. You gonna tell me that was wrong??? I guess we should have left Hitler alone too huh? I do agree it sucks when we lose our troops but sometimes we have no choice but to put boots on the ground. It's been that way since the beginning of time Kosar.
As everyone already knows, the ultra-liberal media only gives you one side of the coin. You think only 10% of Iraqis see us in a favorable way? Maybe you need to talk to some troops over there so they can tell you how most Iraqis appreciate what we have done for them. Most Iraqi locals treat the soldiers like rockstars or heros....trust me I've talked to soldiers who were there. You obviously also never saw footage of the day Iraq was liberated. Not all Iraqis are insurgents. Most are civil human beings who had the poor misfortune of living under a murderous, raping dictatorship.
Iraqi women used to be taken out to football stadiums and publicly assasinated. Eye gouging was a favorite too. Another tool Saddam and his boys used was rape. They would gang rape women, video tape it, and send the tape to the woman's family. Nice government. And you want to tell me that 90% of Iraqis hate the fact that we liberated them?
Unreal.
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point is bush lied about the WMD. he said they were there, but none were found all he has is paper to work off of and he still hasn't found Osamb bin Laden. Why should the US care about other countries civil wars?? all bush has done now is created another Civil war in Iraq and our soliders are gonna be the ones that pay the price for it.
KDogg...read the new U.S Weapons inspections report that came out yesterday. Saddam was in the process of reviving his WMD program. It's Ok, it's pretty recent news, you prob just haven't seen it yet.
here's a quote from Bush in October/2002
"Surveillance photos reveal that the (Iraqi) regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons," Bush said. "Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles ? far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations ? in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work. We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it."
To suggest today, nearly a year after the war in Iraq started, whether there may have been an intelligence failure now that WMD have yet to be found is to suggest there was some sort of intelligence in the first place.
"Surveillance photos reveal that the (Iraqi) regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons," Bush said. "Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles ? far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations ? in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work. We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it."
To suggest today, nearly a year after the war in Iraq started, whether there may have been an intelligence failure now that WMD have yet to be found is to suggest there was some sort of intelligence in the first place.
Many many months went by where Saddam wouldn't allow any inspectors in, even leading up to the war. What was he hiding? I wonder if he sent them to Syria to hide them, he sure had the time and ways and means. That if course is speculation but it's a valid theory.
Still waiting for you to reply regarding the new WMD report that came out yesterday. (see my last post)
Still waiting for you to reply regarding the new WMD report that came out yesterday. (see my last post)
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well thats the point. Bush said he allready had them. no doubt Saddam was probably on his way to making him, but all Bush has is paper to work with. I love it. this really makes him look like a fool now. Right off the bat, the report states saddam had no weapons of mass destruction.
But you're blantantly ignoring the fact that Saddam was reviving his WMD program? Why do you keep skirting that issue?
I think this actually make Bush look pretty damn smart now, not dumb.
You just said it yourself...."no doubt Saddam was probably making them"
You totally just contradicted everything you've said. Flip-Flop Flip Flop huh?? lol
I think this actually make Bush look pretty damn smart now, not dumb.
You just said it yourself...."no doubt Saddam was probably making them"
You totally just contradicted everything you've said. Flip-Flop Flip Flop huh?? lol
i guess what im saying is, if your gonna invade iraq, speak the truth and have a plan.
my point is Bush said there was WMD's in the country. were there??? no!! case closed
my point is Bush said there was WMD's in the country. were there??? no!! case closed
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I have been trying SO hard to stay out of this place now footy has started!!....
...but honestly CHARLESMANSON (and such a witty user-name!)....2 simple points:
1) You use the fact that Iraq violated UN resolutions as justification for the 'war'.
...I've done it before, not going to post them all again....How many times has the US violated UN resolutions? Australia? The U.K? Russia?....Simple answer is ****ing lots!! Do we care about that? Hell no, because we are right, and justified!!
(I'm not even going to bother to mention Africa as Ed pointed out!)
2) And yeah, as Kdogg has mentioned, now the other justification for the 'war' was to liberate the Iraqi people that we all now feel so much empathy for!! No-one seemed to care so much when they were dying by there 1000's during the 'war'. You think they are dancing around in fields, singing to the birds now???
They are still dying by their 100's in most parts of the country because they have no drinking water, medicines or anything else. Most of the north of Iraq is still controlled by Iraqi 'rebels', and the coalition forces won't go there because 'it's too dangerous'!!!
So it's great to liberate the people living in Baghdad because it was relatively easy to knock over a horribly undermanned/prepared/equipped Iraqi 'army'...but as for the rest of the country??...Too hard!!
(But don't worry, the main stream media won't EVER show anywhere other than the capital
)
Liberate the Iraqi people!! Funny guy is our (your) George!!
(Again, won't bother mentioning any other places in the world who badly need 'liberating'!!)
...but honestly CHARLESMANSON (and such a witty user-name!)....2 simple points:
1) You use the fact that Iraq violated UN resolutions as justification for the 'war'.
...I've done it before, not going to post them all again....How many times has the US violated UN resolutions? Australia? The U.K? Russia?....Simple answer is ****ing lots!! Do we care about that? Hell no, because we are right, and justified!!
(I'm not even going to bother to mention Africa as Ed pointed out!)
2) And yeah, as Kdogg has mentioned, now the other justification for the 'war' was to liberate the Iraqi people that we all now feel so much empathy for!! No-one seemed to care so much when they were dying by there 1000's during the 'war'. You think they are dancing around in fields, singing to the birds now???
They are still dying by their 100's in most parts of the country because they have no drinking water, medicines or anything else. Most of the north of Iraq is still controlled by Iraqi 'rebels', and the coalition forces won't go there because 'it's too dangerous'!!!
So it's great to liberate the people living in Baghdad because it was relatively easy to knock over a horribly undermanned/prepared/equipped Iraqi 'army'...but as for the rest of the country??...Too hard!!
(But don't worry, the main stream media won't EVER show anywhere other than the capital
)Liberate the Iraqi people!! Funny guy is our (your
) George!!(Again, won't bother mentioning any other places in the world who badly need 'liberating'!!)
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