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question for sheep ...

with 83 cameras at pentagon and 3 more at citgo and sheraton and dept. of motor vehicles, why does your hero and neocons offer only 5 flimsy still frames that show a blur smaller than a 767?

the moussaoui trial is over, theres nothing to hide:shrug: the olson lies have been exposed :nono: :142smilie

im so confused ...

please help me, sheep ...

you guys have nothing :mj07:
 
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One 911 Mystery Solved!
Flight 77 Videotape Shown!

By Douglas Herman
4-12-6

A little known news item appeared on April 12, 2006. Entitled

More tales of horror in 9/11 trial, The account tells an amazing story, apparently missed by the mainstream media (MSM).

Written by Greg Gordon, it states in part: "Sept. 11 victims and family members. endured a third day of graphic evidence of the horrors and haunting impact of the nation's worst terror attackit included videos of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the building (Pentagon) at 530 miles per hour and photosof some of the 64 airline passengers and crew and 125 Pentagon workers who died that day."

Amazingly, this "videotape" resolves the whole mystery of the Pentagon attack and destroys any counter-claim that a jumbo jet never struck the Pentagon. Why then didn't this massive piece of evidence, this repudiation of conspiracy theorists, this corroboration of government accounts, appear on the front page of every major newspaper in America?

If true, and if a massive 767 jetliner appears in the videotapes, tapes immediately confiscated from various cameras surrounding the Pentagon, the evidence lends powerful credence to the government claims.


But most of us believe some other type of aircraft hit the Pentagon. Videotapes might vindicate government officials but probably would support critics, alleging an "Inside job," aghast that the FBI Claims 84 Videos Show NO Flight 77 Impact!

Instead of the five (5) frames released to the public immediately after the attack (allegedly showing a 767 striking the Pentagon but which show nothing more than a fireball exploding), the new videotape would strongly support the government's version of events. At least in the eyes of the public

Curiously, about a week ago I replied to a forum posted by government gadfly, Doug Thompson. The editor of Capitol Hill Blue wrote that he went to the Pentagon that day and took photographs of the attack (only one Pentagon photo posted on Thompson's website however). He claimed:

"I was at the Pentagon the day the plane hit. I interviewed witnesses, saw the damage and smelled the burning aviation fuel. I watched the videotape from the Pentagon's heliport landing pad that showed the plane hitting the building."

When I questioned Thompson, replying that only top government insiders---FBI, Pentagon, NSA-had access to the heliport videotapes (which have never been shown publicly), asking him HOW exactly he saw them, Thompson never responded. One has to wonder how an average, dissident citizen like Thompson is allowed to see top-secret videotapes never shown to American citizens.

Now we learn that jurors have seen the videotapes, as reported by Greg Gordon in a news item that received almost no exposure.

What did they see actually? Did they see a giant passenger jet swooping over Washington DC, striking the Pentagon and disappearing except for a few obscure pieces of wreckage? Did they see a jumbo jet screaming over the freeway, knocking down several light poles before slipping past some cable spools and crashing into the Pentagon? Were they witness to some amazing feat of flying, aerobatics that few top guns could perform, never mind a flight school failure? Did they see a grainy security cam videotape from the nearby gas station, which would probably show the descending jetliner as big as the Goodyear blimp? Did they see any of the several videotapes confiscated by FBI agents, within minutes of the crash, and never shown to the American public?

One would think the government would have at least created some amazing video fakes by now, four years later. Or released the ones they confiscated, if they really did show what the government claims-which I strongly doubt.

With all those missing trillions at the Pentagon, the government could have formed a film company called, Industrial Light and Neocon Magic, and created some wonderful propaganda videotapes.

Because as it stands now, four years later, the government conspiracy of a 767 striking the Pentagon is as plausible as an ice cube sinking the Titanic.

Unlike those who accept the official government version of events, out of fear, misguided loyalty, or years of programming, many officials with impeccable credentials are joining the growing chorus of angry patriots.

Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF (retired), flew 101 combat missions in Vietnam. He is the recipient of the Eisenhower Medal, the George F. Kennan Peace Prize, the President's Medal of Veterans for Peace, the Society of Military Engineers Gold Medal (twice), six Air Medals, and dozens of other awards and honors. His Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He chaired 8 major international conferences, and is one of the country's foremost experts on National Security.

Bowman said this of the official government 9/11 report, the Kean Commission:

"The 9/11 Commission omitted anything that might be the least bit suspicious or embarrassing or in any way detract from the official conspiracy so it was a total whitewash.There needs to be a true investigation, not the kind of sham investigations we have had with the 9/11 omission and all the rest of that junk."
 

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75% of the search dogs following 9/11 died soon after .... smoldering fire sure is deadly ... i guess fires capable of burning for 3 months at plus 3000 degrees from kerosene jet fuel has a wallop:shrug:
 

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I'll be more than happy to start answering your "logical questions" when you pony up and tell me where on earth you got that 90% of iraqi citizens have died by US hands in this war, and even more importanly, how you can possibly believe it.
 

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75% of the search dogs following 9/11 died soon after .... smoldering fire sure is deadly ... i guess fires capable of burning for 3 months at plus 3000 degrees from kerosene jet fuel has a wallop:shrug:

You're a ****ing joke with these shitbrained posts.
Do some research before you post crap like this.

9/11 Search-and-rescue Dogs Exhibit Few Effects From Exposure To Disaster Sites
ScienceDaily (Sep. 15, 2004) ? PHILADELPHIA ? The search-and-rescue dogs deployed following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks have not suffered either immediate or short-term effects from exposure to the disaster sites, researchers from the University of Pennsylvania School of Veterinary Medicine report. The findings, presented in the Sept. 15 issue of the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, should help relieve fears about the after-effects of working at the 9/11 sites.

For the last three years, the Penn researchers tracked the health of dogs and handlers from the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and the Fresh Kills Landfill site on Staten Island, where debris from the World Trade Center was further searched.

"Overall, the lack of clear adverse medical or behavioral effects among the 9/11 dogs is heartening, both for the animals and the human rescue workers," said lead researcher Cynthia M. Otto, associate professor of critical care in Penn's School of Veterinary Medicine. "Since dogs age more rapidly than humans, they can serve as sentinels for human disease. We are encouraged that we do not see significant increases in cancer and respiratory diseases." The Penn researchers compared the dogs to a control group of search-and-rescue dogs that were trained similarly but not deployed. Although there is no single registry of all dogs deployed to search the 9/11 sites, the Penn researchers identified 212 deployed handlers, and 97 consented to participate.
Despite rumors of numerous deaths of 9/11 search-and-rescue dogs, only one was confirmed to have died during the search period. In addition, the study was able to demonstrate that the injuries and ill effects of the search itself were minor. After the first year of surveillance, of the 97 deployed dogs enrolled in the study, only one died. During the past three years, 15 deployed dogs have died, of which eight had cancer. At the current time, neither the death rate nor the cancer rate is different from that of the control group.

"Given the mature age of these dogs and their expected lifespan, the few deaths that did occur were not statistically significant," Otto said. "We can't say that these findings preclude illness later in life, but it is clear that we don't see any trends in the current physical or behavioral wellbeing of these dogs that would be cause for alarm."

Initially, blood tests showed that the deployed dogs exhibited higher bilirubin concentration and alkaline phosphatase activity, which indicates that their livers were actively filtering toxins from their bloodstream. The serum globulins were also higher in the first year in deployed dogs, suggesting activation of the immune system. As the study progressed, however, these numbers came down to close to those of the dogs in the control group.

"Early on, it is clear that these dogs were dealing with some stress from toxins, although we don't currently have evidence of adverse effects, continued surveillance is still warranted," Otto said.

Since there was a concern about airborne pollutants, such as asbestos, Otto and her colleagues also examined X rays taken of the dogs. The examinations showed no apparent lung abnormalities. While it usually takes humans at least 20 years to develop mesothelioma after asbestos exposure ? a major fear at all three sites ? the shorter life span of dogs often means a relatively shorter latency period for developing cancer.

To assess the psychological wellbeing of the dogs, their handlers were given questionnaires that focused on behavioral disorders, such as aggression or fearfulness, which may have arisen since 9/11. Here also the deployed dogs seemed similar to those of the control group.

An ongoing study led by Melissa Hunt of Penn's Department of Psychology is looking at the long-term psychological consequences for the human handlers.

"Since this is the first major study on search-and-rescue dogs and their handlers, we hope this data can be used to establish a baseline for future studies," Otto said. "Not only will it help ensure the health and safety of search-and-rescue dogs, but it will also help anticipate human disease as well."

Support for the study came from the AKC Canine Health Foundation, the American Kennel Club, Ralston Purina Co., the Veterinary Pet Insurance Co. and the Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation. The study also includes researchers at Michigan State University and the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta.
 

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chew on this gag order, lemmings

chew on this gag order, lemmings

Here's an FBI whistle blower named Sybil Edmonds, who has been gagged and not allowed to tell anyone the truth about 9/11. See what information the US public has been denied. You owe it to yourself and your country to learn what really happened on 9/11.

"The American public have not heard who is the real culprit behind 9/11"

Most Gagged Whistle-blower in US history Sibel Edmonds joins Alex Jones on air, says there are strong criminal elements within all three branches of Government.

Prisonplanet | January 19 2006

Last Tuesday nationally syndicated radio host Alex Jones was joined on air by FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds for an in depth interview

Edmonds was hired shortly after Sept. 11 to translate intelligence gathered over the previous year related to the 9/11 attacks. She says the FBI had information that an attack using airplanes was being planned before Sept. 11 and calls Condoleezza Rice's claim the White House had no specific information on a domestic threat or one involving planes "an outrageous lie."

Although Edmonds is officially barred from revealing the specifics of what she found out, she has revealed that she was hired to find and cover up the prior knowledge intercepts. She refused to go along with the cover up. Of course only small criminal elements of the government were involved on 9/11, the majority of those working for the FBI, the CIA and the NSA are good people who would have picked up on the pre-intelligence.

Edmonds has also previously gone on record with revelations of government run drug shipping and other organized crime operations.

Firstly Edmonds was keen to stress that information relating to pre 9/11 terrorist activity was intentionally blocked by elements of the intelligence agencies.

"I started reporting these cases together with documents and other witnesses in the department, within two months after I started working for the bureau, around November/December 2001. I went to my superiors, to their superiors and even all the way to the top of the chin, to Director Mueller himself within the FBI headquarters. Initially they were asking me not to push through this and in return they offered to give me a raise... When I did not continue reporting these issues, in about February 2002, they accused me of reporting these issues to the Congress via email."

At this time Sibel was not attempting to do this, she was attempting to raise the issues internally. The FBI then sent several agents to her house and confiscated her home computer and took it apart to check exactly who Edmonds had been contacting.

They then forced her to take a polygraph test to determine whether she had been speaking to anybody outside the agency. This was the last straw for Edmonds who decide it was time to blow the case wide open and go to Congress with her vital information.

"So I went to these people within the Senate Judiciary Committee, I briefed their staff who had clearance, I went inside the secured facility and gave them documents, and about two weeks after that I was terminated without any reason being cited, in fact the letter I received from the Department of Justice said that 'your contract is being terminated as of this date purely for the convenience of the Government."

Ms Edmonds went on to talk about the specifics of what elements of the Government are now doing and covering up.

Starting with the revelation that forces inside the Congress and the FBI confirmed that House Speaker Dennis Hastert was illegally receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash bribes from foreign lobbying organizations in exchange for political favors.

Other Senators and Congressmen have also been exposed in the activity of taking illegal cash.

She then went on to talk about former Attorney General John Ashcroft who in an unprecedented move officially gagged the Congress over her case in order to "protect certain diplomatic relations of the United States and to protect sensitive US-foreign business relations."

Ashcroft did not elaborate at all and many have come forward to suggest that the gagging order was wholly illegal.

Edmonds then made an analogy, as she often does when she cannot reveal specific facts. She suggested that there could be a so called "war on drugs" but it is an unwritten rule that you only go after the lower end drug dealers and leave alone the middle men and those at the top because the government can directly profit from their activity. This is how things were handled with terrorism in the lead up to 9/11.

"Intentionally, I and I want to underline this, intentionally they are not going after the middlemen and the people at the top. So to this day the American public have not heard who is the real culprit behind 9/11. There is money laundering, and certain narcotic and weapons procurements involved."

Ms Edmonds went on to reveal that the criminal elements are active within all three branches of Government. Plus there are those who are working outside government towards the same agenda. She suggests that we should look towards lobbying groups who are registering as agents of foreign governments, such as International Advisors Inc, the lobbying company set up by arch Neo-Con Richard Perle, which is registered with the State Department as "agents of Turkey."

These groups, with weighty influences upon the foreign policy of the US Government, some, including Perle, Pentagon architects of the Iraq war, are operating with elements of the Government in a nexus like fashion, moving around vast amounts of money and arms and profiteering from directing world events.

Edmonds suggested that this information would become more widespread should more people demand that the media cover these issues. There are simply too many people who are not concerned by such revelations or who simply take no notice.

"Our founders repeatedly stressed eternal vigilance because we can't say we have separation of powers, we have our Constitution and our Bill of Rights, they're going to take care of themselves and they are going to last, no, it does take eternal vigilance." Edmonds commented.


"The continuous consolidation of money and power into higher, tighter and righter hands."
-- George H.W. Bush in 1992, answering a question of what Iran-Contra was all about

?If the American people ever knew the whole story about Iran Contra we Bushes would be chased down in the streets and lynched.?
-- George Bush Sr., interview with Sarah McClendon
 

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marine, since people are whining to jack about being called sheep i opened one of your posts ... you are reading the context wrong on 90% citizens are being killed, thats in regard to the entire number of iraqis being killed .... so hence out of 100% of the iraqis that are dying, 90% are citizens, i thought even someone such as yourself could paste 2+2 but i was wrong ... merry xmas :)
 

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Get off the crack Pt1gourd
 

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marine, since people are whining to jack about being called sheep i opened one of your posts ... you are reading the context wrong on 90% citizens are being killed, thats in regard to the entire number of iraqis being killed .... so hence out of 100% of the iraqis that are dying, 90% are citizens, i thought even someone such as yourself could paste 2+2 but i was wrong ... merry xmas :)

It's just as laughable.
90% of the people killed by the US are Iraqi citizens? Hey, newsflash, you can be a terrorist and still be an iraqi citizen. So which group do they count in?

I really am stumped by it pt1gard. Work with me on this...
If you say, of the 100% of iraqis killed
(that means of all the iraqis killed),
90% of them are citizens
(we must assume you mean citizens of the country of iraq, thus making them 'iraqis')
Who then, are the other 10% of Iraqis killed?
(they're iraqis, so obviously they are living in, and citizens of iraq - but I can't quite put my finger on who they really are:confused:

Keep living your fantasyland.
 
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"marine, since people are whining to jack about being called sheep i opened one of your posts"

Can someone translate this to me? I don't understand the correlation of people whining to jack about being called sheep and the need to open one of my posts? So you just opened one? You took the easy one to try to answer and avoided the rescue dog topic completely huh? I'm calling you out on the carpet to discuss where you get this crap from and you sure are not stepping up.

I tell you what. I will have a "debate" on the phone with your silly ass if you are willing to tell me what you use as a filter for your information. And I mean a serious, your thought process answer. None of this "it was on the web" shit. Specifically, the search and rescue dog issue - if you can justify what you posted with some semblance of an actual fact. You're just throwing shit on the wall and hoping something sticks.
 
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funny if the gov. backers dont have a problem with any of the official story, I wonder what they are doing in here ... they should be happy as clams in sand and be on their way .. I mean they swallowed it all and should rest peacefully ... theres nothing to second guess is there. :shrug:


anthony munoz blocks out the sun :)
 

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Have a new theory for you to look into PT

What are odds of 2 disbarred attorneys living side by side--:)

CHAPPAQUA, N.Y. - A neighbor of former President Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton was arrested Thursday in the slaying of his wife, who he claimed had been shot by a stranger on a dark suburban road.

Carlos Perez-Olivo, a disbarred lawyer who was wounded himself in the Nov. 18, 2006, shooting, was expected in county court later Thursday, said Lucian Chalfen, spokesman for Westchester County District Attorney Janet DiFiore.
 
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