a quick poll--need some input

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of course I don't believe there is 100% honesty, and I'm not fully confident in the findings. I can't take a leap from there though to GWB and our government or the Mossad engineered the destruction of the twin towers. I just can't buy that, especially when there are such huge questions and the thought that so many thousands of people would have to be involved that are all quiet now.

I think its a misconception to think that handfuls of people would have to be involved..........

I think you would agree that any possible millitary,government or possible CIA operation......there would be a chain of command involved........

so a lot of people would just be carrying on orders from superiors.........

not saying this is the case but I if you really study history and millitary ops then you will conclude that many people may be part of the process without not knowing the possible outcomes........

Just a thought...........
 

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Lets see, you mav and agent

me , sixfive, and marine


Only ones posting in here.

I dont think many people really give two chits about this crap anymore.

As my mom used to say when I was puking my guts out in the toilet.

Just let it go son


You are absolutely correct..........Most people dont really give a shit or are to lazy(or stupid) to research something so simple as the capital of Wisconsin............its just to much work for the average american...........
 

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Marine, Six-Five and Scott............

Simple Question???

Why would the magazine........Popular Mechanics find the need the lie about their findings of 911???

Simple .......straightforward..............

http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3


NOW ALSO REMEMBER ALL THE PRESS POPULAR MECHANICS RECIEVED WHILE OTHERS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN SILENCED BY THE NATIONAL MEDIA

Look forward to hearing your replys?????

Thats if you guys are serious about this...........AR182 opened up a thread praising Popular Mechanics "Debunking 911 Myths" and then when asked to comment on this....... he didnt.......for what ever reason...............
 
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MAV,

great posts ....

AR didnt reply bc he doesnt know anythng about the subject bc no sane man would use the PM jokesters for the basis of his arguments .... you linked the PM shill on the Goyette show and AR ran for the hills ...

mav, you and i know that interview alone devastates anyone naive enough to swallow the official tripe ... but these fish just keep biting the DC bait and for some reason are too lazy to ferret facts ... its ok tho, they post lotsa pics and articles on barry sanders and are easily amused ... maybe they should check this one again ...

why do we need DU???:shrug:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_b29HXH4ZI

these are the men and mindset you guys back ... no wonder you post such garbage.
 

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MAV,

great posts ....

AR didnt reply bc he doesnt know anythng about the subject bc no sane man would use the PM jokesters for the basis of his arguments .... you linked the PM shill on the Goyette show and AR ran for the hills ...

mav, you and i know that interview alone devastates anyone naive enough to swallow the official tripe ... but these fish just keep biting the DC bait and for some reason are too lazy to ferret facts ... its ok tho, they post lotsa pics and articles on barry sanders and are easily amused ... maybe they should check this one again ...

why do we need DU???:shrug:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=a_b29HXH4ZI

these are the men and mindset you guys back ... no wonder you post such garbage.

a video of a bunch of birth defects??? WTF does that prove about 911??? :shrug:
 

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I think its a misconception to think that handfuls of people would have to be involved..........

I think you would agree that any possible millitary,government or possible CIA operation......there would be a chain of command involved........

so a lot of people would just be carrying on orders from superiors.........

not saying this is the case but I if you really study history and millitary ops then you will conclude that many people may be part of the process without not knowing the possible outcomes........

Just a thought...........


This is an arguement I have seen before.. i think someone mentioned the manhattan project as a reference to it.

While what you say is true in past events... brining up a scenario like that in today's modern age is extremely difficult because of the instant availablity of information to people. In the past, methods like that worked very very well because of the length of time it took to inform and communicate with people far away from each other. in the manhattan project you had 3 very very very remote sites with little contact to the outside world.
nowdays.. you have email, cell phones, cameras, internets, and a greater informed population within the ranks of the military. These days people are expected to question orders that are clearly questionable.

Which all leads to the million dollar question... you could have broken things out and compartmentalized things well enough.. up to the point where a large number of people would be required to lay explosive devices within the buildings. Do you honestly think that people would go do that based "on orders" and not bring it to the attention of other people?
 

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Heres another pretty simple question for Marine, Six and Scott

I read this on another forum so I cant take credit but so far no one has been able to research an answer.........we'll see if these 3 guys can???

It is physically impossible for an airliner to cause the WTC towers to collapse straight down.

I did a search on this thread for the word "tons" and it was not mentioned.

We are talking about a building 110 stories tall. Didn't the people who designed it have to figure out how much steel and how much concrete to put on every level of the building? The buildings stood for 28 years so they must have gotten it somewhat correct.

We should have had a table telling us the number of tons of steel and tons of concrete on every level of the building and the maximum load each level could hold within 6 weeks of 9/11. It has been 6 years. Do you know how many tons of steel were on the 80th floor of the south tower? How can you figure out if it is reasonable to think the fire could weaken enough steel in 56 minutes if you don't even know the quantity of steel? Some nitwit at the NIST is saying the building is 70% air by volume. Buildings are constructed to produce usable space and they stood for 28 years with that much space. It is the 30% that must be specified.

Even if the plane could cause the upper floors to collapse how could they stay centered on the lower floors as they fell? There had to be more steel and concrete as you go down the building. Every level had to support the combined weights of all levels above it. There should have been a stub of the building left with debris from the upper floors to one side.

If the plane could do this then every engineering school in the country should confirm it. The laws of physics don't give a damn about conspiracies.

Wonder why no one can find this info........
 

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This is an arguement I have seen before.. i think someone mentioned the manhattan project as a reference to it.

While what you say is true in past events... brining up a scenario like that in today's modern age is extremely difficult because of the instant availablity of information to people. In the past, methods like that worked very very well because of the length of time it took to inform and communicate with people far away from each other. in the manhattan project you had 3 very very very remote sites with little contact to the outside world.
nowdays.. you have email, cell phones, cameras, internets, and a greater informed population within the ranks of the military. These days people are expected to question orders that are clearly questionable.

Which all leads to the million dollar question... you could have broken things out and compartmentalized things well enough.. up to the point where a large number of people would be required to lay explosive devices within the buildings. Do you honestly think that people would go do that based "on orders" and not bring it to the attention of other people?

"These days people are expected to question orders that are clearly questionable. "

Yeah right...........Like secretary Mineta questioned Cheneys order of a stand down..........Youre wrong..........people take orders and question things after the fact, especially in the military.........
 

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Marine just a possibility I read on another forum ........(not saying I agree but I am openminded when looking at all possibilities)

And crucially, in all cases, the options involving LESS people is almost
certainly the tack they will have taken. Lots of people may have been
in on this Operation, tactily, by nod and wink, or peripherally aware.

But when it came to operationally carrying out the mass murder itself.

That's where there's safety in numbers.

SMALL numbers.

Just someones observation who believes this was and orchestrated event BUT doesnt believe THOUSANDS of people would have been in on it....
 

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How 50 Men May Have Engineered 911
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I've read a lot of commentary about the number of plotters it would have required to carry out an "Inside Job," black operation on September 11, 2001. One lively critic of the Truth Movement, Jan Burton, emailed me that 10,000 men would be needed. And all of them would have to keep their mouths shut forever.

I think 50 top specialists might carry out an operation like 9-11 successfully. Here's how it might be done.

Four or five head plotters at the top might hatch a plan. Call our plan PNAC. Plan of a New Attack Conspiracy. This handful of top government officials would hold the true reins of power in the White House and the Pentagon. I could name three or four players right now, just as anyone could, but I'll leave their identities to the imagination of my readers.

These powerful men, connected to banking, oil and the defense industry, would have a plan in place months in advance. They would then be joined by a half dozen foreign political operatives from a small, tech-savvy country. This small tech-savvy country would, ironically, have top officials in place already in the Pentagon. They would possess dual citizenship but be most loyal to one country. The small one.

Now we have 10-12 plotters.

The secretive, top operatives of the two countries would be joined by a few top honchos in the intelligence field. They would serve as a delaying force, delaying the warnings of loyal and patriotic Americans in the FBI, NSA and the FBI. Any whistleblowers that arose---like FBI translator Sibel Edmonds or the deceased FBI agent John O'Neill---would be marginalized later by a complicit mainstream media. This media would consist mostly of dupes and true believers. They would be outside the loop and not required to have insider information.

Now we number 15-20 key plotters.

These remarkable and clever men command huge numbers of SPECIAL FORCES. These special commandos resemble the Navy Seals. They possess certain demolition skills and variety of disguises and genuine-looking yet fake identification. I suspect these key players pledged a loyalty to a certain tech-savvy country and have been highly trained to follow orders. Trained professional killers who ask no question. Ever. Additionally, with their identifications, they are allowed ready access to key security points easily. Perhaps a dozen men altogether--maybe as few as a half dozen-probably gained access to the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 in the months prior to that "attack."

How many conspirators do we number thus far? 30 or 35 maybe? Far cry from the "tens of thousands" the Bushco apologists suggest.

Next, one would need the ability to control planes by remote control. Curiously, the head of a small, tech-savvy company that possessed that very technical electronic skill also enjoyed ready access to the Pentagon. He worked there in a high position as Comptroller, controlling the flow of money (during a time when 2.6 trillion went unaccounted for). According to Wikipedia: "In 2001, Dov Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems.

Coincidental? Perhaps-perhaps not.

Now you would need two or three more top people, preferably very rich, connected to the New York real estate market to acquire control of a suitable target. Let us call this target the WTC complex, a suitable array of architectural white elephants and one very highly important US government building (WTC-7) that could be insured for far more money than they cost.

Now we number 38 insiders at the most. Almost all of our ducks are in place. The shooting gallery is just about to open.

For the sake of simplicity, we'll require some skilled commandos to remain close to the targets. To remotely control the hijacked planes into the towers and Pentagon. How many skilled technicians would this require? Five thousand, you say? How about a dozen?

Well, now we've reached the 50. Anyone else is a peripheral player. Any top US general, befuddled at the Pentagon or NORAD is simply a victim, as much as those bewildered FAA air traffic controllers or USAF pilots. By the way, whatever happened to those air traffic control tapes? Guess we can add that fellow to our list of plotters, the top official who ordered the tapes destroyed after the New York Massacre.

That takes us to 51. Call it Area 51. A place that doesn't exist. Except in the twilight zone of our imagination. Except in the minds of "conspiracy nuts" like myself.

Lastly, critics of an inside job, like my correspondent Jan Burton, claim that somebody, anybody, would have come forward by now and "blown" the plot wide open. Now why would they do that? Indeed, well-trained commandos from another country might feel compelled to drunkenly boast about their exploits but I seriously doubt any commando would suffer any pangs of conscience.

And suppose some top official already came forward? Sybil Edmonds already came forward about 911 and her revelations have amounted to exactly nothing. Any top US official would have to think twice before risking his neck to suffer ridicule and probable recriminations---and threats of harm to himself and his family. I'm reminded of those US Navy sailors who were threatened with simple military courts martials and demotions if they talked about the attack on the USS Liberty. Now multiply the threat by, say, death. How many would talk then?
 

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"These days people are expected to question orders that are clearly questionable. "

Yeah right...........Like secretary Mineta questioned Cheneys order of a stand down..........Youre wrong..........people take orders and question things after the fact, especially in the military.........


apparently you and I have spent time in different military environments.
That may have been true 30 years ago, but not anymore.

Lawful orders and interpreting them are pushed down the throats of everyone in the military these days. Why? Look at the May Lai massacrein viet nam.
Any other way and you would have every officer in the military ordering his men to wash his car, clean his house, shine his shoes, and make him dinner.

When given an order that is clearly not proper (such as... "go wire the WTC with explosives") you are EXPECTED to question that order.

A very real world example would be.... the mass exodus of Flag Officers leaving the military and raising cane with the white house and congress about troop levels in the desert.

But, military atmosphere is not the issue here.

The issue is the towers falling. You cite reference to what describes a very clean implosion to demolish the building. Explain the large explosion and the debris shooting OUT from the towers.
that doesn't happen during an implosion.
No, really. it doesn't. Or was the debris planted there too?
 

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Marine, Six-Five and Scott............

Simple Question???

Why would the magazine........Popular Mechanics find the need the lie about their findings of 911???

Simple .......straightforward..............

http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3


NOW ALSO REMEMBER ALL THE PRESS POPULAR MECHANICS RECIEVED WHILE OTHERS SEEM TO HAVE BEEN SILENCED BY THE NATIONAL MEDIA

Look forward to hearing your replys?????

Thats if you guys are serious about this...........AR182 opened up a thread praising Popular Mechanics "Debunking 911 Myths" and then when asked to comment on this....... he didnt.......for what ever reason...............

I listened to this radio broadcast. What lies are you talking about? The Pop Mechanics guy seemed weak to me in general as a speaker and was thusly attacked by the host at opportune times, especially when he talked about the DNA evidence of the hijackers that was found and confirmed. Maybe there is DNA? I'm not sure, but I do agree with the host it would seem it would be hard to differentiate and find in all that wreckage. However, I do disagree with the host that it would have been hard to find DNA samples from the hijackers to compare. That's not hard at all; they probably combed their hair or had dirty clothes wherever they lived. He should have pointed out that there seems to be only 1 BBC report that the hijackers are alive, and that's not confirmed nor are there any pictures or other evidence (at least that I've seen). It's akin to people seeing Elvis.
 

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How 50 Men May Have Engineered 911
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I've read a lot of commentary about the number of plotters it would have required to carry out an "Inside Job," black operation on September 11, 2001. One lively critic of the Truth Movement, Jan Burton, emailed me that 10,000 men would be needed. And all of them would have to keep their mouths shut forever.


Interesting story. Question for you about it. Please explain the role of Flight 93 in the above scenario.
Where was it headed to?
Why did it crash?
 

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How 50 Men May Have Engineered 911
Douglas Herman
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Now we number 15-20 key plotters.

These remarkable and clever men command huge numbers of SPECIAL FORCES. These special commandos resemble the Navy Seals. They possess certain demolition skills and variety of disguises and genuine-looking yet fake identification. I suspect these key players pledged a loyalty to a certain tech-savvy country and have been highly trained to follow orders. Trained professional killers who ask no question. Ever. Additionally, with their identifications, they are allowed ready access to key security points easily. Perhaps a dozen men altogether--maybe as few as a half dozen-probably gained access to the WTC buildings 1,2, and 7 in the months prior to that "attack."


well, at least this is an attempt to explain how the towers fell if you don't believe the Jets crashing into them caused them to fall. I do think this writer has watched/read a little too much of the Bourne trilogy, however. "trained professional killers who ask no questions" :142smilie c'mon now!

The writer put forth his scenario and speculation, but I still do not understand what the MOTIVE is. WHY, WHY, WHY would this be done?? Actually, I think this is the root of where all these theories fail. What are the reasons to do this?
 

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6-5...
you can't see the motive? its zionism dude.

Bush and Company knew that there needed to be some sort of 'hot topic' in the news to get 'the majority of America' off the topic of how bush had people with remote controls zapping election booths for votes in his favor so he could steal the election....
then... he arranged this disaster to do that... knowing that first we would go to afghanistan, then be able to find links to iraq, go in there and kill ole saddam (and 90% of the citizens in iraq as well) ... along the way he had planned other newsworthy events by working with european leaders to stage an identical attack over there as welll to try to drive the 9-11 topic off our press... then he could wait 3 years after the majority of the democrats in congress had voted for the war.. then against it... bringing us to this upcoming election where the republicans can cite a soft stance on terrorism against the dems and seal the election for 2008 and remain in the white house.

like, duh.
:D
oh yea.. and spending money. cuz who doesn't like spending money to wipe out a small country?
 

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mav, agent ... you guys are talking to infants intellectually ... i had to laugh when 6'5 asked for a motive ... and how marine cant figure out that 90% of the deaths in iraq are civillian ... they are clueless, guys, Lennies in mice and men :00hour
 

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mav, agent ... you guys are talking to infants intellectually ... i had to laugh when 6'5 asked for a motive ... and how marine cant figure out that 90% of the deaths in iraq are civillian ... they are clueless, guys, Lennies in mice and men :00hour

still haven't heard one either (motive). great 'discussion' when it's all 1 sided. Still waiting for the motive... Why would our government tell Jason Bourne and the other elite killers/super soldiers to wire the towers? I'm fascinated.
 
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