Adding to my future wager for NC......

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I just got back from the USC scrimmage at the Coliseum. It was a 4quarter scrimmage #1's vs #2's the whole game.

I know USC was going to have an excellent offense but I am completely blown away. Despite going against the #2's, this team exceeded my expectations. Leinart looks even better than he did last year. Mark my words, Leinart will lead the nation in completion percentage. Reggie Bush touched the ball 4 times and took it to the house twice with moves you couldn't believe. Bush without a doubt will become one of the greatest college players in history. This guy actually looks better than he did last year. He added 10pounds of muscle and now weighs over 200lbs and didn't lose any speed. USC's powerback (White) took it 90yards and I think on his first carry! This guy is my favorite player on the team and I wish he could get 25-35 carries a game and rush 200+ yards every game. That is what kind of player he is but he must share the time with Bush and rest of players. USC would never have blown out OU without White.

The USC WR's are sick. This unit easily goes 6 deep without any major dropoff. Remember Mike Williams? Get used to seeing #1 on the field again. His name is Patrick Turner and he is from TN. Exact carbon copy and prob. better made! The kid is physically more developed than Mike Williams and Dwane Jarret when they were freshman. Don't forget Jarret was one of th best freshman WR's in the country last year as a frosh.

TE position goes 3 deep with Byrd being the #1 TE and I think he is without a doubt a top 5 TE in the country. 2nd string is Fred Davis who was a 5-star WR out of high school who USC molded into a TE.

FB is 2-deep and USC gets back starting FB Hancock who missed all of last year. This guy is dangerous. Think Reggie Bush as a RB out of backfield catching passes, Hancock does the same thing but from the FB position. He was a weapon USC missed last year because of a weightlifting injury.

OL is by far the best unit on the team. USC is 2-deep and only area where USC might not able to overcome an injury is at center. The 2 tackles will not give up a sack all year. BANK ON IT! Leinart will have all day to throw this year, especially with a great rushing attack to go along with his quick decision making. Leinart might get sacked 10 times all year.

DEFENSE is an area of concern. USC #1 defense dominated the #2 offense but it is still a concern. DB's and DE's should be strong. LB position is super talented and deep but has inexperience. Could be a questionable for first 3-4 games. DT is huge question mark. I have no idea how this unit will perform. I guessing they will be average or maybe slightly above average. I wish USC had LSU's DT's. There is talent but unproven talent and very little experience. DT is such a tough position to judge and play, you have no idea what you will get. Teams might be able to rush against USC, especially early in year. Stopping the rush is #1 goal/philosophy for Carroll so he has his work cut out.

Overall, USC defense will give up over 20pts multiple times this year. They will make outstanding plays and they will also allow teams to march down the field. I don't think they will give up too many big plays because USC has the #1 safety tandem in the country Bing/Ware. USC defense should never be tired because there are so many guys to rotate. Especially at LB.

KICKOFFS were horrible. Never seen worse kickoffs in my life. USC has frosh kicker and he sucked. We all know he will be kicking off a lot this year, so he better start getting good. Right now he gets a D. USC FG kicker is money within 35 yards but doesn't have enough leg to kick past 35 yards. Deadly accurate but will fall 3-5yards short on every 40 yard attempt.

Return game is an A+.

All in all, USC has an NFL talent with NFL caliber coaches. I have heard some scouts say the entire starting offense will be drafted by the NFL, and Collin Cowherd (radio announcer) said he heard scouts say the entire 2-deep will be drafted into the NFL. Point being, this is NFL talent at USC. On top of that, Carroll surrounds himself with NFL caliber coaching staff. There are no excuses for USC not to win the National Championship unless Matt Leinart gets injured. Even so, USC has 2 5-star QB recruits backing him up. So all hope is not lost if Leinart goes down. Especially when USC has the best OL in the country IMO.

Another thing people might not realize. This USC team is hungry and very motivated. No slacking off or overconfidence going on at USC. Everyone is in top shape and USC had 100% participation in off season conditioning. Only thing USC players have talked about is Hawaii. Thats it. Not mentioning any other team on the schedule. This is a focused team and alway looking at the next opponent. Most importantly, when you have a team full of stars, you can't have me me me attitudes. NONE of that at USC.

USC is a program that is being coached and ran like not other program in CFB. NOBODY practices as hard as USC and many NFL coaches have come to USC and said USC practices harder than they do. Very intense. Kirk Herbstreit had a quote (I don't remember it exactly) but he said he visited all the elite programs for spring practice, and nobody practiced as intense and organized as USC. The reason I bring this up is there is a direct correlation to how hard you practice in the off-season to your results in the regular season. Often you beat your opponents in Spring.

If USC opened their season against an elite opponent I might be a tad worried. But USC's first game is @Hawaii and that is def. a good warm up game. Last year USC played @V-Tech and that was tough. I think that is all USC needs is 1 warm up game to settle the defense issues. USC has a bye after that and then plays Arky at home who will be breaking in a new QB. That will be enough time for Carroll to have his team prepared. The last 3 years USC started off slow and went on fire 2nd half. This is by far Carrolls most talented team so USC should start the season with a bang. If USC does get upset, it will be in the 1st half of the season where USC would be most vulnerable with inexperienced LB's and DT's.

Now lets take worst case scenario. USC loses a game. I don't think there will be any undefeated teams this year outside of USC. Just my opinion. SO if USC does lose, USC has a decent chance at still going to the Rose Bowl. Especially when they will be a media favorite with all their star power. The BCS rating should be solid if they happen to lose a game.

Take all this for what its worth. USC obviously is the #1 team in the country and almost everyone is picking them to win it all. So I am not saying anything new. But I am explaining why I am personally so confident in USC and therefore placing a good size wager on them. +190 isn't the best value but I'll take free $$$.

BTW, if USC didn't lose their #1 DT to grades and #1 DB to off the field issues, I prob. would have wagered around 10k on USC to win it all. I would have had to spread it around and maybe even go to vegas. BUt it would have been a slam dunk winner. Too bad. I am still 90% confident USC gets to the Rose Bowl, and from there I can do many things like hedging/middling or keeping it as is. Just get to the Rose Bowl!

Pinnacle has USC +190 to win it all. They have 2 bets for this.

$1,500 to win $2,850

I also have USC +250 to win all it that I placed in Jan. and posted on MJ's.

$750 to win $1,875 (betroyal)

Total for USC to win all...........

$2,250 to win $4,725


Good luck to anyone who bets USC to win it all. I think this is a winning wager so who cares if the value doesn't justify the bet. Winning the bet is all that matters. Don't forget you get to root for your wager every week! :) But I completely understand if anybody thinks this isn't a great wager. +190 is horrible value for a future play. But I can't turn down free money. Hopefully at least one other madjacker bets this future play so I didn't waste 15min. of my time typing this super long post. :rolleyes:
 
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USC is certainly in a good position to at least get to the championship game even with one loss. No doubt about it. And we know their recent success in the big bowl game which can only add to your confidence in your team. Looks like you're getting great value at +190. . . I noticed several +100 and a couple +150's which I do not consider there to be much value at all but +190 for this team is value IMO.
 

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Ok, I went crazy with USC to win the National Championship. This time I got +188 at Pinny.
www.pinnaclesports.com in case anybodys tags along and wants this price.

Risking 5,000.00 to Win 9,400.00

I thought about it and I don't want to be kicking myself in Jan. for not putting the max at Pinny. This USC team is loaded. The offense will score at least 40ppg and wouldn't surprise me if they scored 50+. The best part is USC has incredible depth. My odds of winning go dramatically down if Leinart gets injured. But that is a risk I am willing to take, especially since Leinart will not be sacked much this year!

This scrimmage today put me over the top along with all the practices leading up to it. I needed one last look. I got my answer. These star players from last year all GOT BETTER! Amazing.

Good luck to anyone who follows along, but I never felt stronger on a futures wager before. Take for what its worth. But I have yet to be wrong about USC on a big wager. Always bet what you can afford to lose and there are no locks. But this is close! It def. is a solid investment especially if USC makes it to the Rose Bowl you get options!

TOTAL WAGERS

$7,250 to win $14,125
 
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The offense will score at least 40ppg and wouldn't surprise me if they scored 50+

will you please get off your drugs. theyre going to win. and theyre going to often. but when you say shit like this (50 ppg) you severely hurt your credibility. do you know how hard it it for a power conference team to score 40 ppg, let alone freakin 50.

and if they DO score 50 ppg (hell, if they average more than 40), then that would ruin any argument anyone could ever make for the pac-10 being a premier football conference.

so youre gonna have to back off one of these statements.
 

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50 ppg??...no chance

40 ppg??...maybe (look at the top teams last year, they all avg 35-38 ppg...think utah was in mid-40's)

i do know that sc usually gets VERY conservative in at least one half of the games they are "supposed to win" (vs arizona last year it was half one...sleeping...vs asu i believe it was half 2...huge lead at halftime).......
 

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I don't think I worded it properly. USC will score 40ppg or higher, maybe even 50 if they "choose" too. You people have no idea how powerful this USC offense is going to be. The greatest thing is that it is all based on proven talent. No hype. Last year USC had new OL, new WR's, new FB, and new TE. Look at their season production! THEY ARE NOW ALL EXPERIENCED!

This year USC not only returns the whole offense, they get back their #1 OL JUSTICE and #1 FB HANCOCK who did not play once all last year. That alone makes USC more potent. On top of that, everyone is now experienced. EXPERIENCE is so important in CFB. You all know that. Players make dramatic improvement through experience and off season conditioning. We all know USC has one of the best S&C programs even though their facilities SUCK!

The nation will be in awe of the USC offense. I might be coming across like a homer but I have yet to be wrong with USC. I don't really care how I come across as long as my tickets cashes.

The only reason USC doesn't average 40ppg is Carroll going conservative because of blowouts. But if USC wanted to average 40ppg or higher, there is no doubt in my mind they will. Leinart will have games where he only throws 3-4 INC passes. The dude will have all day to throw. Last year he didn't and look how successful he was!

EVERY STAR player for USC has gotten themselves in better shape than last year and improved their production. NO KIDDING! This is what great programs do in the country.

Gman2, how many pts did USC score on OU? That offense in the OB will not be as good as the offense USC puts on the field this year. No doubt in my mind. But I could be wrong!

You people don't understand how young and inexperienced USC was last year. Check out how many freshman and sophomores started and played.

Defense takes a hit but offense improves dramatically. Special teams will take a hit as well except for punting and returns. If the USC defense gives up scores, then that means USC offense will need to score more pts.

Look at Reggie Bush. He added over 10pounds of muscle and coaches say he might even be faster than he was last year. He certainly looks a lot better now than he did last year. Remember, USC RUSHING AND PASS PROTECTION was based on a young and inexperienced OL. This year USC has an experienced and dominating OL. Get it? Last year USC kicked a$$ offensively, what are they going to do this year? Leinart has even shown a dramatic improvement and he won the heisman trophy last year.

Of course these are all my opinions and how I feel, but these are the reasons why I am laying serious coin on USC.

Maybe Carroll isn't all that he is cracked up to be and USC players through hard work in offseason conditioning and experience from last year regress or stay the same. I think they got better and we will see better results. Better results mean sick offensive numbers. But I think people are used to other programs getting complacent etc. Not USC with Carroll. You cannot compare USC to any other program past/present because USC is completely different in ever aspect. There are really no comparisons to be made. I told everyone this 3 years ago on MJ's about Carroll and USC. Look at the results 3 years later.

Lets see if I am right about the USC offensive production. I won't be bitter if USC averages over 30ppg but I will be VERY DISAPPOINTED if USC averages less than 30ppg.

I SEE A FACTOID COMING.............. :mj07:

USC averaged 40ppg in their last 8 games of the year. Why did I take the last 8 games of the year? Because last year USC had new OL, new FB, new WR's, new TE and needed at least a half a seaosn to overcome the inexperience. It takes most programs a year to overcome all that much inexperience.

So explain to me why it is so inconceivable for USC to average over 40ppg? I am extremely confident USC has a much more potent offense than last year. Not to mention DEEPER! If USC wanted too, they would average over 50ppg but Carroll is a classy coach. NOT AGAINST HIS RIVALS THOUGH! ;)

Factoid #2................

I have been told scouts at USC practices have said the entire 1st string offense will be drafted in the NFL.

Another factoid I learned last week.........

Collin cowherd (radio announcer espn) said scouts have told him the entire 1st and 2nd string offense for USC will be drafted by the NFL. I have not been told that by USC people but that is what Collin Cowherd said he has been told.

So take it for what its worth. But I am sure USC will be facing defenses that will have all their starters be drafted into the NFL as well. It will be a real showdown!

*Factoid being that is what has been said, not that it will actually happen! Just wanted to clarify the factoids! :mj07:

But in all seriousness, I am not 100% right even though my confidence might appear that way. I am expressing my opinion and my wager backs it up. In essence, I am putting my money where my mouth is once again.

G-Man2, I was confident Michigan was going to beat Ohio St. last year, you warned me, I said thanks for the advice but decided to stay with my wager and I lost. You were right. :clap: I always admit when I am right and unfortunately when I am wrong as well. And I give credit where it is due and you nailed the OSU game. I have not forgotten that.

I'll bump this thread if USC loses 1-2 games or wins/loses the BCS NC. We'll see how many pts USC averages.

My prediction? 44ppg!!!!! :scared
 
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i dont think anyone is doubting anything about the explosiveness of the usc offense. for christsake, when you have a heisman-caliber quarterback and a heisman caliber "athlete" on the same offense, youre gonna out up some points.

and im not even doubting your future bet. its going to take some serious good fortune for usc to go undefeated, but its possible. regardless, they should be well in contention for the rose bowl.

my whole issue with with the utterly preposterous statement that theyd average 40 at least and possibly 50 ppg. thats just not going to happen in any power conference in college football, no matter how good a team or offense is. its a combination of coaches calling the dogs off in blowouts, along with the fact that defenses arent going to allow it to happen. does usc have the talent to score 40+ points? of course they do. but so do a lot of other teams in college football. theyre not the only team with a stacked offense. but 40+ ppg in a power conference is very very difficult to average over a season. 50 ppg? umm... no chance.

on the michigan/ohio state note from last year, the only part of your post that i took issue with was when you said michigan had a huge edge in athletes.

its crazy that all of the sudden, the national media suddenly realized that tressel has a whole program full of blue-chip talent, it was just disguised with some overly conservative offensive playcalling.

hell, you can put up holmes and ginn against any 2 receivers from usc and theyre easily on-par athletically with those southern cal guys. overall receiver depth would certainly give usc an edge, but holmes and ginn are as good as any duo in the country. for some reason, the media woke up to the fact that ohio state has a shitload of talent and athletes but their style (until the final two weeks against michigan and oklahoma state) never put the talent on display.

regardless, this is still usc's title to lose. they wont go undefeated, but i dont think theres another team that is good enough to run the table. we'll see.
 

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You know what the saddest story of the year will be for USC fans......

When they make the title game again to play Ohio State, and the Buckeyes actually have more fans in the stadium to watch it even though the game is like right down the street from USC, LMFAO!
 

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Scott, thank you for the unbiased and very informational thread regarding USC's intrasquad scrimmage in which the starters beat up on the 2nd team. Shocking, really, that an experienced and extremely talented offense would look great against a bunch of 2nd teamers running vanilla defenses.

I hope for your sake that you are not getting caught up in the hype and costing yourself a very stupid amount of cash. The best and most talented team does not always win in college football. USC had a tough day against Cal (was outgained 2-1) and was fortunate enough to pull it out. Will they play a similar game and be as lucky this year?

The same arguments you are making now could have been made for Miami in 2002.
 

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Shocking, really, that an experienced and extremely talented offense would look great against a bunch of 2nd teamers running vanilla defenses.
You read my mind, CWood although I am not sure that we needed a novel to describe a scrimmage.
 
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I have been told scouts at USC practices have said the entire 1st string offense will be drafted in the NFL.
Really? Can you share the names of these "scouts" that told you this before the season has begun? :mj07:
 

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Why o Why are they even going to play the season this year. I hope OU loses a game or two this year so we don't have to play Scott's boys this year. I'll bet they could take the Raiders (a scout told me so, granted he was a baseball scout, but he is still a scout).

Enough Already!
 

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I def. took into account USC was playing 1st vs 2nd. Actually, USC was playing 1st against 2nd/3rd/4th. :) But we all know how well Carroll recruits so there actually were talented players on both sides of the ball. Of course the 2nd string isn't better than any div. 1a team.

But my main point was everyone needs to realize this is Carroll's year. USC has dominated CFB the last 3 years but in each of the last 3 years it was a somewhat rebuilding year for USC. There were missing pieces, experience issues or off the field issues. NOT THIS YEAR! That is why USC struggled for first few games every year.


The Judge

It has been said. I was not told personally but NFL scouts are always at the USC practices. How do you think backup QB Matt Cassel got drafted to the Patriots? The dude only threw the ball 30 times in his USC career! He impressed Patriot scouts at USC practices. I said take it for what its worth because maybe Collin Cowherd is lying and the USC insiders are lying as well.


The Big Tease

There were more OU fans in the OB. I don't think USC fans were sad or disappointed! :)



gman2

Ginn and Holmes are extremely talented, but USC had 3 of those dudes starting at WR ON THE FIELD, and 1 of those dudes in the backfield as well. Don't forget the FB HANCOCK who is a great pass catching FB. GOOD LUCK DC!

USC can put Jarret 6.6 ft tall with Turner who is 6.7 ft tall. Mismatch anyone? How many teams have 1 corner to stop the physical mismatch Jarret/Turner creates? Of those teams, how many have 2? Of the teams that have 2 corners who can match up against their size, do they have players to stop Reggie Bush? TE BIRD? FB HANCOCK? Oh yeah, USC also has a stud WR names SMITH who will be a junior. I don't want to forget about him. Ummmm, then if USC wants a little thunder they can hand it to White. When those DB's get tired of covering the WR's, guess what? USC has 6 elite WR's to rotate all game long. Not only do the USC WR's create a physical mismatch, they also will be running on fresh legs. Fresh legs alone creates a mismatch to a DB who might be playing all game long.

Just to give you a clue how deep USC is at WR. Whitney Lewis was the consensus #1 WR in the country out of high school. Just like Turner from TN. Lewis is fighting for his life to be a 2nd string WR and he came into camp this year in top shape and with focus. He will be lucky to be USC's 3rd WR.

I am not exaggerating. This is what "I" think you are going to get from USC this year. That is why I am so confident in my wager and USC winning it all. I could be wrong but I doubt it. But that is why I posted it to explain to everyone why they should be confident in USC as well. Why should I be the only one to cash? As long as I get my bet in first, others can join me if they choose too. Once again, these my feelings and why I made this bet. You can choose to buy into it with me or call it BS HOMER TALK! :mj07:

Best part is I am not relying on potential. Most of the USC players are already a proven commodity. That is what makes this so easy to analyze.

If USC averaged 40 ppg in their last 8 games of the year, why the hell can't they average over 40 ppg this year? To top it off, USC defense won't be as dominating so the offense will likely have to score more pts.

Something else to chew on. NO NORM CHOW! Chow is the reason USC got off to slow starts in the 1st half against opponents. He would run plays to set up defenses and DC's. But as a result, often USC would struggle or keep it close. Now this season USC will go for the kill from first series on. USC will miss Chow late int he 3rd and 4th quarters where it could be a tight game. Chow always called the right play because he already set the defense up and knows how they would react. USC's new OC's do not have that ability. On the flip side, USC will go for the kill from the start and prob. avoid close 1st halfs.
 
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Scott, why don't you just talk in terms of units like most people. I would guess that most people don't care how much you bet, and some, like myself don't believe it anyway.
 

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Scott, why don't you just talk in terms of units like most people.

Why should I? I have nothing to hide. I say how much I bet and explain whether it is a big or small wager for me personally. Everyones bankroll is different. Everyone knows where I stand.


I would guess that most people don't care how much you bet

I don't care.


and some, like myself don't believe it anyway.

So you think my wager amounts are :bsflag


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I can't give you the ticket # for my betroyal wagers because they won't allow me to go back to Jan. of last year. I am not going to call them to prove my point. However, Pinnacle is very easy to get the ticket # especially since I put it in yesterday. Here it is. I guess you can call them up and give them the ticket # to see if there is a wager of that size. I dunno how it all works. Or maybe MJ can verify since pinny is a sponsor but he might not want to deal with it. Last thing I want is posters thinking my wagers are BS. :mj10:
I have nothing to hide.


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2-Sep-05 Future NCAA Football Futures - Odds To Win 2006 R... +190 500.00 950.00
Odds To Win 2006 Rose Bowl
Odds To Win 2006 Rose Bowl
USC

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2-Sep-05 Future NCAA Football Futures - 2006 Rose Bowl - W... +190 1,000.00 1,900.00
Rose Bowl
Will USC Win The 2006 Rose Bowl ?
Yes


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2-Sep-05 Future NCAA Football Futures - 2006 Rose Bowl - W... +188 5,000.00 9,400.00
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Will USC Win The 2006 Rose Bowl ?
Yes

And here is the UAB play I wagered today.

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3-Sep-05 Future NCAA Football -- Week 1 - NCAA Spreads - U... -112 1,120.00 1,000.00
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UAB vs. Tennessee U
UAB 24 pts.


I guess I am not full of $hit....... :flush:
 
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I just think its funny to see someone who bets $2,500 per game on season openers when you don't know much about the teams, or $7,500 on a future for a team to win it all, when your odds aren't that great, no matter how good a team is, yet you're the only one who bolted and didn't pay up a $200 contest fee that you were in last year when you realized you weren't gonna win.

$200 should be chump change for someone like you, but then again, I think your wagers are BS. And there's no point in copying your wagers like that. I could do the same thing and put $30,000 in the wager amount, so what? Obviously Pinnacle nor any other sportsbook is going to tell me how much you wagered.

Maybe I'm in the small majority here, and obviously you don't care so you'll continue anyway, but bragging about how much money you're betting per game is stupid. Obviously its a shit load more than i do, and a shit load more than most people, but even if its true, why bother? Talk in units so people know how much they should wager.
 

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scott are you not the slightest bit worried that you no longer have the #1OC and #1DL coach in the nation??? Is Carroll that good that he can lose all these coaches and not skip a beat?


i think not...what if any two of these: Miami, Okla, Texas, LSU ,Tenn, ect... go undefeated this year? IMO they would be in the Rose bowl and USC would be left out again
 

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I find it curious that someone who has time to post extended, redundant college football arguments thousands of times over on the web also makes enough coin to bet 7 dimes on a future.
 

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I just noticed that pinnacle actually has a separate bet, which is what he was talking about, that you can wager up to $5,000 on a yes or no will USC win it, but I still doubt it.
 
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