AFL ROUND 4: fight!

TORONTO-VIGILANTE

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Round 4 - (Easter Weekend)

Thursday, April 17

Brisbane Lions vs Collingwood Gabba Ground (N)

Saturday, April 19

Geelong vs Melbourne Skilled Stadium
Hawthorn vs Sydney Melbourne Cricket Ground (N)
Western Bulldogs vs Essendon Telstra Dome (N)

Sunday, April 20

Adelaide vs West Coast AAMI Stadium
Carlton vs Port Adelaide Optus Oval
Fremantle vs Kangaroos Subiaco Oval

Monday, April 21

St Kilda vs Richmond Telstra Dome

i hate to bet on sports around holiday times....freaky stuff usually happens....:shrug: :shrug: :confused: :confused:
 

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Toronto, you must be rolling in the $$ after picking those home favs every week. Keep up the good work mate!
 

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Already looking forward to what appears a tight round of games this weekend. Be nice to roll through round 4 as we did round 3, bar geelong! Hopefully the pawamech system kicks in to gear for a mostly uninterupted journey from here on out aswell.
 

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Mr Cristo, It's your dogs vs my dons this week and if last years result is any indication, should be a cracker. Who do you like considering the form of both teams?
 

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Just getting back to the 'home' winners.....
The percentage of home winners has been dropping for the last few years before spiking back up last season.
In 1997 - 66% of winning teams played at home
In 1998 - 63%
In 1999 - 58%
In 2000 - 56%
In 2001 - 50%
In 2002 - 64% :shrug:

Up until the end of the '01 season it had seemed that teams had become more used to the interstate travel, along with the move away from 'local' grounds and the sharing of the bigger two Melbourne stadiums. The once feared "home ground advantage" was less of a factor. All of a sudden in '02 the 'home' teams start to dominate again and it seems to be continuing this season. To me it seems to be a statistical ebb and flow situation and not enough to draw me in to follow it. Obviously the home team playing another from interstate still has some considerable advantage statisticaly / historically. Same state teams playing each other don't have much of a 'home' advantage at all in my opinion.
I would expect that this seasons early 'home' team domination will drop back to a more reasonable number.

Anyone else have an opinion? :confused:
 

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Nice work PAWA.....It's ruined my tipping already this season!

I've been convinced myself that home ground advantage is a 'myth', but it's killing me this year.........Just wait until I jump onboard for it to drop off:rolleyes:

Have to like the 'dons, bomber. Don't read too much into your boys performance last week, and we're just plain awful!!
NO presence at half forward at all, and the age old lack of defensive height.
Our chance will be Darcy controlling the ruck and giving us first use, but the skill level has been terrible in the past 2 weeks.

Thought I had 8 winners this week, but Harley still out for the Cats will hurt their chances.

Some great odds this week, boys :p
 

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Mr Cristo, I reckon this weeks game will be closer than you think. I think my dons are way over-rated and with Hird sick, Misiti and ramanaskus out, and no wellman at the back will also struggle a bit this week. You said you liked a lot of the games this week. Personally, I like the pies getting 3 1/2 goals start against the lions but what else looks good to your eye? I'm currently in texas so it makes it a little harder to keep up with things. Just curious mate!
 

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bomber........If you're able to access your email (which I guess you are since you're here and all!) can you shoot me yor address.


Cheers.
 
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Mr C, they left out an underscore ( _ ) between my names. Didn't want you to send it to the wrong address. Thanks mate, bomber.
 

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Personally I think it's Brisbane by a street! (But I've been ice for the first 3 rounds!!)
I know it might sound a bit silly, but I haven't been that impressed with the 'Pies at all this season.
Staggered passed a poor Richmond, and beat Carlton and Geelong due to MASSIVELY good match-ups on their forward line! (ie. Rocca on Grgic last week!!!!!!)
They are, infact, LAST in inside 50's so far this year!! Tarrant and Rocca won't have the same influence v. Michael, Leppitch, White and co.

Take no real notice of last week....Brisbane are a different team at home. Since being stung by Melbourne up there last year they have won their last 6 games @ home by an av. of over 8 goals!
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ollingwood's backline is still understrength.....They DO have the League low 226 kicked against them so far, but they have played last years 16th, 15th and 12th ranked attacks!!!!
Apparently there has been a bit of rain about up in Brissy which might even it up a bit, but Brisbane DEFINATELY win, and very likely cover the -21.5 handicap.
 

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HISTORY of BRISBANE playing the PIES:

Collingwood
R13 Collingwood 5.8 6.10 9.14 11.22 88 0.0 3.3 5.4 11.7 73 W Gabba 19560 29-Jun-1997
R14 Collingwood 2.5 8.8 13.13 19.21 135 4.1 6.5 8.9 12.11 83 W Gabba 17275 28-Jun-1998
R7 Collingwood 1.5 6.7 10.14 13.18 96 2.0 4.3 8.5 9.8 62 W Gabba 22523 08-May-1999
R22 Collingwood 6.4 8.6 10.11 13.16 94 1.1 3.3 3.3 8.4 52 W Victoria Park 24493 28-Aug-1999
R9 Collingwood 7.2 8.6 14.8 22.14 146 6.0 10.1 15.5 18.9 117 W Gabba 29046 07-May-2000
R15 Collingwood 7.1 9.4 12.12 19.15 129 3.5 9.6 11.6 16.7 103 W M.C.G. 45016 15-Jul-2001
R8 Collingwood 7.2 10.5 12.9 16.15 111 5.1 8.9 14.12 17.12 114 L Docklands 46279 18-May-2002
GF Collingwood 0.4 4.12 8.14 10.15 75 1.4 4.4 8.10 9.12 66 W M.C.G. 91817 28-Sep-2002
 

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MATCH: Brisbane v Collingwood.

WHEN & WHERE: Gabba, 7.40pm (AEST) Thursday.

COVERAGE: Channel Nine.

LAST TIME: Brisbane 10.15 (75) d Collingwood 9.12 (66), 2002 grand final at the MCG. In one of the greatest grand finals of the modern era, the Lions hung on in a thriller to win back-to-back premierships. The Magpies were the biggest grand final underdogs for years but relished the wettest grand final conditions since 1958 with skipper Nathan Buckley inspirational. The Pies hit the front in the final quarter but the Lions regained the lead through Alastair Lynch and then sealed victory with a goal to Jason Akermanis with just minutes remaining. Lynch kicked four for the Lions while skipper Michael Voss was unlucky to be edged out by Buckley for the Norm Smith Medal.


THE MEDICAL ROOM: The Magpies suffered a massive blow during last week?s win over Geelong with star midfielder Tarkyn Lockyer suffering a season-ending knee injury. The Lions in contrast should have their side strengthened for Thursday night?s grand final replay with the likely returns of key forwards Alastair Lynch and Jonathan Brown. Lynch missed last week?s thrilling draw with the Kangaroos with a relapse of his long-running chronic fatigue syndrome while Brown was out with a hip injury.

THE FORM: Last year?s two grand finalists have made impressive starts to 2003 with both sides yet to lose in their first three matches. However the all-conquering reigning premiers showed some signs of vulnerability last week after tying with the Kangaroos at Telstra Dome. This came following a hard-fought ten point win over Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium and the Lions will relish the return to home soil this week, having not played at the Gabba since thrashing Essendon in round one. The Magpies have been impressive in being the only team to record maximum points after round three, having disposed of Richmond, Carlton and Geelong.

WHO?S HOT: He is already staking claims to being the pick-up of the season with former Eagle Andrew Williams making a big impact in his first three weeks at Collingwood. Little-known outside of Perth during his time at West Coast, Williams has already become a favourite of the ?Black and White Army? with his ability to not only play as a midfielder but also take strong marks and kick goals in attack. For the Lions back pocket Chris Johnson has been in great form, amassing a staggering 31 possessions from the back pocket last week while skipper Michael Voss remains as dominant as ever.

WHO?S NOT: Veteran Marcus Ashcroft, a model of consistency throughout his long career, managed just three possessions against the Kangaroos last week and it was a major surprise to see him start the game on the bench and spent much of the night there. The Magpies have hardly got a player out of form and their even contribution across the board has been one of the reasons for their great start to the season although the loss of Tarkyn Lockyer will cut deep as he is not only one of the Magpies? best midfielders but also takes many of their kick-ins and can play in attack.

KEY MATCH-UP: Chris Tarrant (Collingwood) v Mal Michael (Brisbane). If Collingwood is to inflict a rare home defeat on the Lions then Tarrant will have to play a big one in attack. Tarrant is often accused of looking as though he is going through the motions but when he is hot he is near unstoppable as was the case last week when he took 16 marks against the Cats. If he produces a similar game against the Lions, the Magpies will have a great chance but Michael has been a model of consistency at full-back for the Lions since moving up north from Collingwood. However Michael had a rare quiet game against the Roos last week and the Magpies will be looking to capitalise if he is down on form again this Thursday.

ALL-TIME CLASSIC: These two clubs did not have a history of great match-ups until last year?s grand final which was one of the best grand finals of the past 20 years. In fact Brisbane did not beat Collingwood in their first 11 meetings with the then Bears taking six years to beat the Magpies from the time they joined the competition in 1987. But following last year?s epic grand final matches between these two clubs are now amongst the most eagerly awaited on the AFL calendar.

WE THINK: As impressive as Collingwood has been over the first three weeks of the season beating Brisbane at the Gabba remains the toughest task in the AFL. The loss of Lockyer makes the Magpies? task that more difficult and after last week?s shock draw against the Kangaroos the reigning premiers will be itching to bounce back. The likely return of Lynch and Brown further strengthens Brisbane?s side and in front of what is certain to be another sold-out Gabba the Lions should prevail. Brisbane by 21 points.
 
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