bailout passes...duped again...

gardenweasel

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I am not trying to sway opinion. Is that your objective? Maybe you can tell us why he is not responsible for the economic condition of 8 years into his stewardship?
What do the Neocon think tanks have to say about that?

how were the first 6 years?....you remember,the 6 years in which we had katrina and 2 wars,among other issues to deal with...the 6 years in which guys like barney frank and chris dodd kept blocking regulation of fannie and freddie?....

the first 6 years weren`t to bad...i don`t remember complaints about the economy...just alot of whining by people wanting to give iraq to the islamists...

the last 2 years is where the shit really hit the fan...under the stewardship of the lowest rated congress in history...

a congress with a lower approval rating than the dreaded "chimperor".....



/weasel pointing out the obvious to the oblivious....
 

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how were the first 6 years?....you remember,the 6 years in which we had katrina and 2 wars,among other issues to deal with...the 6 years in which guys like barney frank and chris dodd kept blocking regulation of fannie and freddie?....

the first 6 years weren`t to bad...i don`t remember complaints about the economy...just alot of whining by people wanting to give iraq to the islamists...

the last 2 years is where the shit really hit the fan...under the stewardship of the lowest rated congress in history...

a congress with a lower approval rating than the dreaded "chimperor".....



/weasel pointing out the obvious to the oblivious....

It's the lowest rated congress because they have given Bush everything he has asked for!
 

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Is there any truth to it that this bill has about 110 billion dollars in earmarks....
* a provision that saves NASCAR track builders 109-million dollars this year
* tax earmarks for Puerto Rican rum
* a tax "extender" for wool research just to name a few.......are you ****ing kidding me? And this was the Bill McCain wanted to suspend his campaign for to get it through along with the our DICKHEAD for president coming on TV after being absent since he conned the nation into going to war FOR HIM AND HIS PALS to get a piece of the golden oil parachute in Iraq as the deadly and dangerous Bin Laden roams a free man in AFGHANISTAN. I mean it SOUNDED like all 770 million went to the socialist idea of big nusiness bailouts and was gonna be the savior of the economy here in America and abroad. Everyone of these crooks Dems,Republicans, and even the ones who dont know what side they are on should be walked out to the pasture and sprayed with the Mustard gas bombs they found in Iraq:rolleyes: before being shot at point blank range. This government and this nation is in shape and it isnt getting much better.....its ashame what greed and stupidity can do and how fast a nation can be drug under. I wonder if our Homeland security has had any elavated alerts lately, probably not because the damage has been done and theres no need to attack a country that is killing itself!
 

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now california`s asking for a 7 billion dollar loan.....

this is just the beginning...


BOSTON ? The treasurer of Massachusetts has asked the federal government about lending Massachusetts money under the same favorable terms it has given banks and firms during the financial crisis.

Treasurer Timothy Cahill's requests to the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve Bank of Boston this week were prompted by the state's inability to borrow from the short-term debt markets, The Boston Globe reported Saturday. The financial turmoil has caused credit markets to stop lending, or to charge prohibitive rates.

California has made a similar request, saying it would run out of money by the end of the month if the short-term debt markets do not ease. The state asked whether it could not obtain loans from the Fed.

Massachusetts has enough money to cover its expenses for the coming weeks, Cahill said. But a low-rate loan would ease a cash shortfall if the credit problems persist.

"That's all we would ask them to do: Treat us like the investment banks," Cahill said.

Federal officials have not responded to his request, Cahill said Friday.

The state's borrowing problems come as it deals with a $223 million shortfall in projected tax collections during the first quarter of the state's fiscal year. On Thursday, Gov. Deval Patrick announced the first of what could be a series of cuts to programs and operations to deal with the sagging collections.
 

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I am not trying to sway opinion. Is that your objective? Maybe you can tell us why he is not responsible for the economic condition of 8 years into his stewardship?
What do the Neocon think tanks have to say about that?

Don't know Stevie but here's another opinion from black columnist (Thomas Sowell)who reiterates exactly what I told you---with a couple additions-highlighted


October 04, 2008
Do Facts Matter?
By Thomas Sowell

Abraham Lincoln said, "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time."

Unfortunately, the future of this country, as well as the fate of the Western world, depends on how many people can be fooled on election day, just a few weeks from now.

Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time.

The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama back into a substantial lead over John McCain-- which is astonishing in view of which man and which party has had the most to do with bringing on this crisis.

It raises the question: Do facts matter? Or is Obama's rhetoric and the media's spin enough to make facts irrelevant?

Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years-- including the present year-- denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.

It was Senator Dodd, Congressman Frank and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today's financial crisis.

Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.

Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration "right-wing ideology" of "de-regulation" that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?

We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn't.

Is that the free market? Or do facts not matter?

Then there is the question of being against the "greed" of CEOs and for "the people." Franklin Raines made $90 million while he was head of Fannie Mae and mismanaging that institution into crisis.
Who in Congress defended Franklin Raines? Liberal Democrats, including Maxine Waters and the Congressional Black Caucus, at least one of whom referred to the "lynching" of Raines, as if it was racist to hold him to the same standard as white CEOs.

Even after he was deposed as head of Fannie Mae, Franklin Raines was consulted this year by the Obama campaign for his advice on housing!

The Washington Post criticized the McCain campaign for calling Raines an adviser to Obama, even though that fact was reported in the Washington Post itself on July 16th. The technicality and the spin here is that Raines is not officially listed as an adviser. But someone who advises is an adviser, whether or not his name appears on a letterhead.

The tie between Barack Obama and Franklin Raines is not all one-way. Obama has been the second-largest recipient of Fannie Mae's financial contributions, right after Senator Christopher Dodd.

But ties between Obama and Raines? Not if you read the mainstream media.

Facts don't matter much politically if they are not reported.

The media alone are not alone in keeping the facts from the public. Republicans, for reasons unknown, don't seem to know what it is to counter-attack. They deserve to lose.

But the country does not deserve to be put in the hands of a glib and cocky know-it-all, who has accomplished absolutely nothing beyond the advancement of his own career with rhetoric, and who has for years allied himself with a succession of people who have openly expressed their hatred of America.
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Are you ready to throw in the towell--yet?
 

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DTB, I told you to stay off those right wing blogs.

Your "black" writer is a fellow of the Hoover Institute. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hoover_Institute
The Hoover Institution, within Stanford University, is a Republican public policy research center (think tank) devoted to advanced study of politics, economics, and political economy--both domestic and foreign--as well as international affairs. It has also been called the West's citadel of anticommunism, or Bush 'brain trust'. [1]

Seems to me this proves nothing just another guy, who's ideology caused the problems, trying to fast talk his way out of it.
 

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DTB, I told you to stay off those right wing blogs.

Your "black" writer is a fellow of the Hoover Institute. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hoover_Institute
The Hoover Institution, within Stanford University, is a Republican public policy research center (think tank) devoted to advanced study of politics, economics, and political economy--both domestic and foreign--as well as international affairs. It has also been called the West's citadel of anticommunism, or Bush 'brain trust'. [1]

Seems to me this proves nothing just another guy, who's ideology caused the problems, trying to fast talk his way out of it.

I see -3rd rebuttal --without saying one word disputing content--

I have assume then you agree with context--you just don't like the messenger/message--correct:shrug:
 

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I see -3rd rebuttal --without saying one word disputing content--

I have assume then you agree with context--you just don't like the messenger/message--correct:shrug:

I told you many times, and here is the difference between you and a real American, both sides are wrong. Frank and Dodd belong in jail. But there is no denying that the Republicans are the champions of deregulation and that Bush has SIX long years of getting everything he wanted. Funny, how your neocon cut and pastes never mention that.:shrug:
 

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you always try to start shit,don`t you?......

you can trace this shit right back to the dems blocking any regualtory reform time after time to further the interests of affirmative action for minorities and low-lifes like yourself...

and know what burns my ass?...who pays,that`s what burns my ass......

for all of those who played by the rules, followed the rules, and might need some assistance because of circumstances that the monkeying around with the free market and political correctness caused...they`re outta out of luck....

shit outta luck...

thanks,spy, for turning another thread into a pooh-slinging match..

you suck...

Thank your pal John "the deregulator" McCain and Phil Gramm for the modernization act, which took down safe guards put in after the depression to control banking. Greed, to make more money lead to this act.

The DOW is down 700 points today, it's stupid to think if you throw money at the problem it will go away. What if it does not? what do you do next? AKA plan B. There is none. The fiat currency system is on life support and greed is pulling the plug. No one has answers other than smoke and mirrors. Bush and Cheney are getting the hell out of Dodge in Jan. There are no real American heroes left.

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Ya but now our accounts are insured up to $250,000 each. That alone saves me seven or eight trips to the bank! These guys are so out of touch it isn't funny.

The other (and main reason) to raise FDIC to $250K (adj for inflation, it should be up to $266K now) is so banks will be able now to sequester less funds to back these accounts--more funds then will be freed for other use.

as FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said about the move:

"This would provide the dual benefits of providing additional liquidity to banks for lending as well as provide some additional reassurance to depositors above the current limits,"
 
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