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Boxing: 11/3-11/5
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@weasel
all is fine!
I can see your point, I bet Angulo at -300 and put him in some parlays, but I dont really trust him either (probably wouldnt bet him at -400)!
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I believe that he really was ill prior to the Cintron fight, but, then, you have to back out...
@Habecki
Welcome aboard!!
As for the Burns vs. Katsidis fight.
IMO both fighters have the skill necessary to beat each other: Burns can be hurt, and Katsidis definately is a good puncher.
Katsidids can be outboxed, and Burns can box and move pretty well..
Some guys write that Katsdis might be shot already...I suppose he will hit the wall at some point, but he didnt look too shabby against Guerrero and Lozada!
BTW, I sometimes watch Big Ragu and Dwyer!
Is there a track record for their predictions or do you know how they fare in the long run!?
all is fine!
I can see your point, I bet Angulo at -300 and put him in some parlays, but I dont really trust him either (probably wouldnt bet him at -400)!
:toast:
I believe that he really was ill prior to the Cintron fight, but, then, you have to back out...
@Habecki
Welcome aboard!!
As for the Burns vs. Katsidis fight.
IMO both fighters have the skill necessary to beat each other: Burns can be hurt, and Katsidis definately is a good puncher.
Katsidids can be outboxed, and Burns can box and move pretty well..
Some guys write that Katsdis might be shot already...I suppose he will hit the wall at some point, but he didnt look too shabby against Guerrero and Lozada!
BTW, I sometimes watch Big Ragu and Dwyer!
Is there a track record for their predictions or do you know how they fare in the long run!?
thks for the welcome guys, lurked awhile on these boxing threads. Don't know why I didn't bother to post earlier, had lost/forgot my password and just didn't bother to try to get a new one despite just now learning how easy it is.
For some reason caught onto to boxing during all my sports betting but have not got into MMA at all. I almost have an unconscious bias against it, maybe just got turned off with guys straddling each other!
As Zerwas points out above it did appear Angulo looked a little off in that fight against Cintron. I don't believe he made much out of it but I think there were hints dropped he wasn't at 100% that night. Still not an embarrassing loss, Cintron a nice boxer/puncher type, certainly not comparable in any manner to James Kirkland. I like Kirkland, thinks he works very hard and would almost want to root for the guy here but I just can't see how he wins. Its such a terrible matchup, I despise the matchmaking going on nowadays but considering Kirkland is an entertaining watch and overrated it would be great to see him fight a bunch of times against suitable competition. Again surprised if this gets past the midway point of the fight.
As for Katsidis/Burns I truly believe the class difference is wide. Burns has a nice jab but I just think he doesn't have enough artillery to back up Katsidis. Only chance is cutting Katsidis...
For some reason caught onto to boxing during all my sports betting but have not got into MMA at all. I almost have an unconscious bias against it, maybe just got turned off with guys straddling each other!
As Zerwas points out above it did appear Angulo looked a little off in that fight against Cintron. I don't believe he made much out of it but I think there were hints dropped he wasn't at 100% that night. Still not an embarrassing loss, Cintron a nice boxer/puncher type, certainly not comparable in any manner to James Kirkland. I like Kirkland, thinks he works very hard and would almost want to root for the guy here but I just can't see how he wins. Its such a terrible matchup, I despise the matchmaking going on nowadays but considering Kirkland is an entertaining watch and overrated it would be great to see him fight a bunch of times against suitable competition. Again surprised if this gets past the midway point of the fight.
As for Katsidis/Burns I truly believe the class difference is wide. Burns has a nice jab but I just think he doesn't have enough artillery to back up Katsidis. Only chance is cutting Katsidis...
I thought since Katsidis' last fight was at 140, this was going to be his home. But guess I am incorrect since this is for a "title", WBO lightweight. Even 5lbs is too much.
Just looking at the Molitor/Gauthier matchup.
I think Molitor might be shot. Talked about retirement after his last loss. Reports indicate he was hurt in that fight and loss cleanly. He is a good level boxer but always seemed to fight scared and wasn't aggressive enough against good competition. Perhaps he was always just protecting his lack of durability. Whatever the case I'm pretty confident his line is far too high.
Gauthier is taking a serious step up in competition but Molitor isn't a guy that intimidates opponents. If anything its the opposite, Gauthier seems to be an aggressive fighter by nature so the matchup could be perfect. Of course concerning he has been stopped twice by mediocre competition but at these prices its not going to look favorable in all areas.
Considering Molitor's general passiveness and questionable chin, along with his iffy state of mind its got to be a good bet to try Gauthier. I suppose Molitor may just be in another class but at 4,5,6-1 its worth the wager.
I think Molitor might be shot. Talked about retirement after his last loss. Reports indicate he was hurt in that fight and loss cleanly. He is a good level boxer but always seemed to fight scared and wasn't aggressive enough against good competition. Perhaps he was always just protecting his lack of durability. Whatever the case I'm pretty confident his line is far too high.
Gauthier is taking a serious step up in competition but Molitor isn't a guy that intimidates opponents. If anything its the opposite, Gauthier seems to be an aggressive fighter by nature so the matchup could be perfect. Of course concerning he has been stopped twice by mediocre competition but at these prices its not going to look favorable in all areas.
Considering Molitor's general passiveness and questionable chin, along with his iffy state of mind its got to be a good bet to try Gauthier. I suppose Molitor may just be in another class but at 4,5,6-1 its worth the wager.
i don't keep track of their records
i just watch big ragu for fun, like most people he gets them right, he gets them wrong
dwyer can make some outlandish picks, but he's made some awesome calls in the past, he likes to have hedges to lock in profit, the tough picks these are what i can remember off the top of my head..
froch over jermain taylor
hopkins over pavlik
martinez over pavlik
martinez over paul williams
alexander over urango by ko
margarito over cotto by ko
mosley over margarito
katsidis over kevin mitchell
jojo dan over selcuk aydin(bad dec in turkey)
dwyer goin back to the well and picking katsidis who's been good to him
Dwyer comes across as someone with great knowledge, it's just his aura, but I know that he was wayyy wayy off with some of his predictions....
of course this can be very subjective, but I'm not really liking him at the moment...
As for Bigragu, he usually makes sense in what he says and he's quite a funny guy with his singing...
of course this can be very subjective, but I'm not really liking him at the moment...
As for Bigragu, he usually makes sense in what he says and he's quite a funny guy with his singing...
Dwyer comes across as someone with great knowledge, it's just his aura, but I know that he was wayyy wayy off with some of his predictions....
of course this can be very subjective, but I'm not really liking him at the moment...
As for Bigragu, he usually makes sense in what he says and he's quite a funny guy with his singing...
Dwyer is first and foremost a LAWYER=BULLSHIT. Talks up a good argument, but Ragu is trying to be honest and upfront. I think Dwyer just can't help himself, as lawyers have to be good talkers, even if it is horse shit. I'll take this crew over both of them any day.
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You are spot on, the first time I listend to Dwyer I was really swayed by the way he was talking...btw, the moment I read that he was lawyer my view of him changed a bit...
Hi Habecki,
Welcome to the team and I agree with you on Gauthier.
I got Gauthier at +600 for a small/medium amount and maybe will play the draw in addition =)
Cheers
LotL
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this line is out for the end of the month:
Danny Green -175
Krzysztof Wlodarczyk +145
gotta think danny green machine is done
i don't see no fountain of youth for him like tarver, hopkins, glen johnson
Danny Green -175
Krzysztof Wlodarczyk +145
gotta think danny green machine is done
i don't see no fountain of youth for him like tarver, hopkins, glen johnson
true, but Wlod can really fight negatively...and this fight is in Australia...
apparently, Wlod tried to commit suicide not too long ago...or did he just take too many wrong pills!?
I see some value, but I'm not too excited....
apparently, Wlod tried to commit suicide not too long ago...or did he just take too many wrong pills!?
I see some value, but I'm not too excited....
Kirkland vs. Angulo
Kirkland vs. Angulo
I find this fight fascinating because of how fast Kirkland's stock has dropped and all the changes in his life.
When Kirkland rolled through Joel Julio in 2009 before he went to jail, I would have leaned Kirkland. And around the same time, Angulo lost to Cintron, who at time, I think Kirkland would have eaten like a Pacman game.
Angulo has looked good since then but he actually did struggle a bit with Joel Julio before lowering the boom late. And Cintron actually hurt Angulo several times in their bout and a stoppage did look possible.
Jail did Kirkland no damn good. He came out heavy and left his Seal type training known as Ann Wolf for a cushy Vegas gig with overrated Ken Adams.
Well, Kirkland behaved like a man that got out prison. No longer was he a Spartan trainer, he was 100% hedonist, feasting on all the delicacies Vegas had to offer.
He trains like 20 minutes with Ishada, gets drilled. All of a sudden he's damaged good's and shot to hell.
But is he? He went back to Wolf and they ain't chasing twat together. She is whipping his ass the only way she knows, full steam ahead.
I think conditioning and attitude go a long way in concealing or perhaps curing to a degree, a poor beard. Julio l dropped bombs on Mandingo would have felled most light heavyweights. But he rolled through it, forcing Julio out.
No matter what happens, we will see a better Kirkland. And Angulo has had is own strange out of the ring struggles. he hasn't exactly been active.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this bout they but I can see either man winning.
Depends if Kirkland can get in his 2009 form or close to that. With the Wolf back in the fold, he just might perform better than many expect.
And I'll say this, the 2009 Kirkland was beyond boxing shape. Julio did his sparring and running and for all intents, was well prepared. but he was no where near enough prepared for the monster he saw that night.
That's why it was such a strange contrast to see such a passive and poorly conditioned Kirkland against Ishida. And it was easy to assume he was done.
But he did no real training for that bout and didn't do much since his release from the hoosegow. But this fight will be a better indicator of whether Kirkland perhaps really is shot or not.
Kirkland vs. Angulo
I find this fight fascinating because of how fast Kirkland's stock has dropped and all the changes in his life.
When Kirkland rolled through Joel Julio in 2009 before he went to jail, I would have leaned Kirkland. And around the same time, Angulo lost to Cintron, who at time, I think Kirkland would have eaten like a Pacman game.
Angulo has looked good since then but he actually did struggle a bit with Joel Julio before lowering the boom late. And Cintron actually hurt Angulo several times in their bout and a stoppage did look possible.
Jail did Kirkland no damn good. He came out heavy and left his Seal type training known as Ann Wolf for a cushy Vegas gig with overrated Ken Adams.
Well, Kirkland behaved like a man that got out prison. No longer was he a Spartan trainer, he was 100% hedonist, feasting on all the delicacies Vegas had to offer.
He trains like 20 minutes with Ishada, gets drilled. All of a sudden he's damaged good's and shot to hell.
But is he? He went back to Wolf and they ain't chasing twat together. She is whipping his ass the only way she knows, full steam ahead.
I think conditioning and attitude go a long way in concealing or perhaps curing to a degree, a poor beard. Julio l dropped bombs on Mandingo would have felled most light heavyweights. But he rolled through it, forcing Julio out.
No matter what happens, we will see a better Kirkland. And Angulo has had is own strange out of the ring struggles. he hasn't exactly been active.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this bout they but I can see either man winning.
Depends if Kirkland can get in his 2009 form or close to that. With the Wolf back in the fold, he just might perform better than many expect.
And I'll say this, the 2009 Kirkland was beyond boxing shape. Julio did his sparring and running and for all intents, was well prepared. but he was no where near enough prepared for the monster he saw that night.
That's why it was such a strange contrast to see such a passive and poorly conditioned Kirkland against Ishida. And it was easy to assume he was done.
But he did no real training for that bout and didn't do much since his release from the hoosegow. But this fight will be a better indicator of whether Kirkland perhaps really is shot or not.
nice write-up evan...thanks for taking the time....there had to be a reason why kirkland is taking a fight that everyone thinks he can`t win....the reason appears to be that,his people believe he can win...
and that`s a pretty good reason...
i`m also going against the grain with margarito...
and that`s a pretty good reason...
i`m also going against the grain with margarito...
Thanks GW. Yeah, i do think Kirkland has self confidence. Both guys should be well prepared.
Woulda been cool if Mandingo didn't go to jail and Anuglo didn't have Cintron and visa issues and they fought as undefeated 154 pound killers.
But that's boxing and life. Now they fight as once defeated, 154 pounds killers. Still should be good.
Woulda been cool if Mandingo didn't go to jail and Anuglo didn't have Cintron and visa issues and they fought as undefeated 154 pound killers.
But that's boxing and life. Now they fight as once defeated, 154 pounds killers. Still should be good.
I think you are giving Kirkland's team too much credit here...who is his team anyways?
Kirkland is just a tough guy, he probably wanted the fight and I think his team is as naive/brave as Kirkland. I don't think there was a logically, business like approach to taking this fight. There really couldn't have been, a bad loss here and even modest pay days are over.
