Boxing 4/26 - 4/29
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From my experience most books dont worry about the small wagers on a bad line. Its more of a hassle to send out hundreds of emails to what they would think was a recreational bettor ($25 or less) than to try to explain what a bad line is etc.
Not sure how much you bet, but thats likely the circumstances if your wager hasnt been refunded.
I suggest emailing the the book to ask them why your bet into a bad line wasnt no actioned.
I used to give any of my guys a bonus if they made me aware of a bad/reversed line. But not all books have same practices.
I have had a book phuck me when I bet into a bad line...It was a football total, and did not cancel my bet until the second half started (when it actually became a winner)...
The book was NAB...They are out of business.
The book was NAB...They are out of business.
Oddessa said:
Thanks for the response Joey
I contacted them through "live help" and got some bullsh*t response about them not knowing if my wagers would stay valid. They said that decision would be made by the grading department, for some reason they couldn't contact that department and give me straight answer.
When I responded by saying that they had to refund my wagers before the fight starts or its BS...they said the grading department has 72 hours after the event to make their decision.
I told them where they could stick that logic and tried to explain why I need to know the status of those wagers before the fight happens. If the wagers are valid...I'll let them ride and be done, if the wagers are not valid...I want to re-place the wagers at the new line. Without knowing the status, I could have double action on the wager...or no wager at all.
I shouldn't have to explain to them how much BS it would be to change the status of the wager after the outcome of the fight had been determined, but this guy didn't want to help me at all. I even told him to have his manager look at our conversation, or send a copy of it to the grading department so they could see my point, he said there's nothing he could do for me.
Absolute Bullsh*t
If my wagers stay valid going into the fight, and Raheem wins by decision, they better not cancel the wagers or sh*t will hit the fan...big time
I doubt they would cancel after the fight starts. I do some work for them and they are such a big outfit that its not their style.
However...............
In the future, I would be very carefull betting a line if you think its reversed accidentally because it would be fair of a book to cancel a wager prior to start of any game/fight etc. But if you were to go hedge, they could cancel your bet 2 minutes before kickoff and send you an email 1 minute before it starts and your stuck on the side you hedged. I've seen it happen.
Words of wisdom from a guy that was no stranger to shooting fish in barrell 7 years ago.
I cant say Freitas with the high + money now would be a bad side to be stuck on though.
Good luck.
However...............
In the future, I would be very carefull betting a line if you think its reversed accidentally because it would be fair of a book to cancel a wager prior to start of any game/fight etc. But if you were to go hedge, they could cancel your bet 2 minutes before kickoff and send you an email 1 minute before it starts and your stuck on the side you hedged. I've seen it happen.
Words of wisdom from a guy that was no stranger to shooting fish in barrell 7 years ago.
I cant say Freitas with the high + money now would be a bad side to be stuck on though.
Good luck.
hope ya r havin a great time box--thanks for all the help and expertise since ive been here--as for everyone thinking they got away with something--i have a buddy who works at a sportsbook and u guys are pretty much at their mercy--if u win they will probably say no action--if u lose and contact they will give no action--if u lose and say nothing--they will count it as a loss--but believe me unless u get a moron doing the figures u will not got paid--unless u r a high roller--then you can negotiate--hope that helps
If they cancel my bet if Raheem wins a decision, I just won't do anymore business with them again. I've used them for over a year now and have never had a problem with them. My bet is still there 30 mins before the HBO program starts, so I'm assuming they are going to let it ride......
I hope, if anything, there's a lesson iin this thread.
Dont take shots or bet reversed lines and you wont have anything to worry about.
Dont take shots or bet reversed lines and you wont have anything to worry about.
Oddessa said:
I bet on a Raheem decision as soon as the line opened up. I thought 7-2 must be good odds, perhpas people are swaying to a Freitas KO/TKO/DQ. If they **** up a line, it's their job to refund your money before the start of a fight IMO. If I win and they don't pay out, I'll just withdraw my money and never play there again. Granted, I'm only one person, but if more people have the same issue, hopefully they will as well. Bottom line, I think they will pay out. I only made a samll wager on the 7-2 odds. I think it was $50 I put on it. If they can't pay that out, they should shoot themselves.....
Oddessa said:
I knew that was coming and I'm glad you brought it up...
About 9 months ago, Eagle Kyowa opened +180 vs Takayama and I thought for sure the odds had been reversed and that it was an obvious bad line. But I loaded up on the much better fighter just in case, and cashed in big time.
If I remember right, Kyowa ended up a -150 favorite by fight time which proves it was a horrible line. But in this case it wasn't a mistake by the book, it was just a bad line hung by the oddsmaker.
So tell me, how am I supposed to know that its the book making the mistake and not the oddsmaker hanging a bad line?
Do you know how pissed off I would be if I missed out on the Kyowa cash cow b/c I thought the line was reversed?
I work with hundreds of numbers every day and I've never sumbitted reversed numbers. In my line of work, if I turned in a mistake like that it could cost my company a 6 digit lawsuit not to mention my job. We do this thing called DOUBLE CHECKS before hanging our number's for millions of people to play with.
Anyway
Its their job to hang the right number's...not mine. If they make a mistake they should clarify whats valid before the fight goes off...period.
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Let's be realistic though. I am not going to criticize anyone but the second you posted that line I knew it was bad. I didn't have to ask anyone, contact anyone or anything else, it was easy to see. How did I know? Well 1 place had +150, another place had +180 and another place has +350. If you post that situation at any forum they are going to say that +350 is clearly wrong and criticize you for taking it. As for the Kyowa line, there was no variance. It got bet big until the odds flipped (which happens now and then), but the odds were within 20 cents of everywhere else. Like I said, I am not criticizing anyone but that +350 was an obvious bad line.
Also, if you look at a sportsbooks rules mistakes happen and they cover thereselves in there rules by saying anytime someone takes a bad line that it can be voided. They don't have to worry about lawsuits or anything else. it's in the rules and there is nobody really over the books. Do it a couple of times and most books will kick you out and some will even keep your balance.
Also, if you look at a sportsbooks rules mistakes happen and they cover thereselves in there rules by saying anytime someone takes a bad line that it can be voided. They don't have to worry about lawsuits or anything else. it's in the rules and there is nobody really over the books. Do it a couple of times and most books will kick you out and some will even keep your balance.
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Great Week Boxlocks!
Great Week Boxlocks!
Thanks for the Peterson Ov9.5 pick. Very solid picks.
I'm looking forward to next week. I think De La Hoya will beat Mayorga like Tito did except without the KO. Although, if Mayorga wins, maybe Pretty Boy Floyd might take the Margarito fight and forget about the De La Hoya cash cow. I feel bad for Margarito because he waited his turn and will take way less money for that fight. The timing is perfect for the Margarito fight and with an $8 million purse what's not to like? I hope if De La Hoya wins he retires a champ unless his old rival Tito wants a rematch for the ages. Sorry for the rant guys, I guess I'm just not a fan of Mayweather Jr's actions inside (no passion or fury) and outside the ring.
Great Week Boxlocks!
Thanks for the Peterson Ov9.5 pick. Very solid picks.
I'm looking forward to next week. I think De La Hoya will beat Mayorga like Tito did except without the KO. Although, if Mayorga wins, maybe Pretty Boy Floyd might take the Margarito fight and forget about the De La Hoya cash cow. I feel bad for Margarito because he waited his turn and will take way less money for that fight. The timing is perfect for the Margarito fight and with an $8 million purse what's not to like? I hope if De La Hoya wins he retires a champ unless his old rival Tito wants a rematch for the ages. Sorry for the rant guys, I guess I'm just not a fan of Mayweather Jr's actions inside (no passion or fury) and outside the ring.
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Yeah I agree with Odessa's advice, but sometimes you don't know for sure when a book comes out with a mistake or just a bad number...That is what happened to me with my football total in my previous example...Line opened first at that book 10 points less than night before, but it was gameday and weather said it was currently raining...It was a MAC conf game so I figured they just over reacted to the weather conditions....
