Boxing 6/25 - 6/26

Ghost Kid · Jun 20, 2010

June 25th (Friday), 2010

At The Brentwood Centre, Brentwood, England 
Tyson Fury (10-0) vs. John McDermott (25-6-2)

At Ponte Milvio, Rome, Italy
Daniele Petrucci (25-0-1) vs. Jorge Miranda (36-8)

At Korakuen Hall, Tokyo, Japan 
Rev Santillan (26-6-1) vs. Yoshihisa Tonimura (11-5-4) 

At The Nasrec Indoor Arena, Johannesburg, South Africa 
Godfrey Nzimande (20-3-2) vs. Sipho Taliwe (11-2) 

June 26th (Saturday), 2010

At The Alamodome, San Antonio, TX
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (41-0-1) vs. John Duddy (29-1)
Marco Antonio Barrera (68-7) vs. Adilton DeJesus (25-4)
Raul Martinez (26-1) vs. Gabriel Elizondo (22-3-1)

In Odessa, Ukraine 
Alexander Ustinov (20-0) vs. Paolo Vidoz (26-8) 
Viktor Plotnikov (23-1) vs. Christian Bladt (35-10-2)

At Gimnasio Alexis Arguello, Managua, Nicaragua
Orlando Rizo (9-1) vs. Rene Alvarado(8-0)

At Atlanta, Georgia, United States
Jean Paul Mendy (28-0-1) vs. Fernando Zuniga (28-10)

At The Turning Stone Casino, Verona, NY 
Lajuan Simon (22-2-2) vs. Jose Rodriguez (15-1-1)

In Sinaloa, Mexico 
Francisco Cordero (22-0) vs. Eduardo Escobedo (27-3)

In Mazatlan, Mexico 
Michel Rosales (27-3) vs. Amilcar Melian (22-8)

At Stadthalle, Vienna, Austria
Nuri Seferi (27-6) vs. Sandro Siproshvili (23-5)

At Prince Charles Park, Nadi, Fiji
Joy Ali (30-10-6) vs. Steve Heremaia (15-4) 

Ghost Kid · Jun 20, 2010

Why is Mendy, from France, fighting Zuniga, of Ecuador, in Atlanta, Georgia?
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Quanah · Jun 21, 2010

Another slow week. Third in a row I think.

Chavez Jr. vs. Duddy geez

Who sucks worse?

Fightwriter · Jun 21, 2010

Mendy fight

Mendy fight

Ghost Kid said:
Why is Mendy, from France, fighting Zuniga, of Ecuador, in Atlanta, Georgia?
:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Mendy has a promoter based in the South; he has boxed in South and North Carolina. I am not entirely sure of the setup. I think the guy putting up the money is a French businessman who lives most of the year in the U.S.

Andrey · Jun 21, 2010

I like
Tyson Fury -210 medium
I think this time he will win cleanly.

Ghost Kid · Jun 21, 2010

Chavez and Duddy aren't great but their fight could be
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2014/chavez_and_duddy_arent_great_but_their_fight_could_be/

Quanah · Jun 22, 2010

Andrey said:
I like
Tyson Fury -210 medium
I think this time he will win cleanly.

Do you get the feeling that Fury has improved from their first meeting? McDermott is nothing special, that's for sure. Fury definitely seems to have that 'golden boy' edge, in that all of the close rounds will most likely sway his way. For the first fight to be scored 98-92 Fury was a crime. There has been some confusion over the rounds in this one, but from what I understand it is a 12 round fight, not 10 as has been reported in some places. Can anyone confirm?

I hope they've got more than the referee judging this one. That is one ridiculous rule they've got in the UK, for the ref to be the sole judge. Talk about leaving the door open for corruption. What do you think of this, Graham or any of you UK guys?

weepaul · Jun 22, 2010

Quanah said:
Do you get the feeling that Fury has improved from their first meeting? McDermott is nothing special, that's for sure. Fury definitely seems to have that 'golden boy' edge, in that all of the close rounds will most likely sway his way. For the first fight to be scored 98-92 Fury was a crime. There has been some confusion over the rounds in this one, but from what I understand it is a 12 round fight, not 10 as has been reported in some places. Can anyone confirm?

I hope they've got more than the referee judging this one. That is one ridiculous rule they've got in the UK, for the ref to be the sole judge. Talk about leaving the door open for corruption. What do you think of this, Graham or any of you UK guys?

Don't quote me on this but I believe Britain has now changed this rule due to their first fight.
Graham would know for sure.

:toast:

Fightwriter · Jun 22, 2010

Fury-McDermott is a 12-rounder

Fury-McDermott is a 12-rounder

Quanah said:
Do you get the feeling that Fury has improved from their first meeting? McDermott is nothing special, that's for sure. Fury definitely seems to have that 'golden boy' edge, in that all of the close rounds will most likely sway his way. For the first fight to be scored 98-92 Fury was a crime. There has been some confusion over the rounds in this one, but from what I understand it is a 12 round fight, not 10 as has been reported in some places. Can anyone confirm?

I hope they've got more than the referee judging this one. That is one ridiculous rule they've got in the UK, for the ref to be the sole judge. Talk about leaving the door open for corruption. What do you think of this, Graham or any of you UK guys?

Fury vs McDermott is a 12-rounder. I confirmed this with the promoter. There will be three judges. The English title (as distinct from "British" title) is at stake. The bout is also a British championship final eliminator, and this is why it is 12 rounds. English title bouts are 10-rounders. It is my understanding that all English (as well as British) title bouts now have the three judges system, with the referee just doing the refereeing and not scoring.

There is widespread confusion in the U.S. (but probably not among the MadJack guys) about "England" and "Britain" (or to be more accurate "Great Britain"). England is part of Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales). It really pissed off Ken Buchanan, a proud Scot, to be referred to as "English" by American reporters.

Fightwriter · Jun 22, 2010

Referees as sole arbiter

Referees as sole arbiter

Hello Quanah

I don't think that having a referee as sole arbiter in Britain opens the door to corruption, but if the ref scores the fight "wrong" then that's it; with three judges, at least if one judge gets it wrong there is a good chance that the other two will get it right.

I keep hearing about "corruption" in the British fights. I simply think it is a matter of a judge seeing a fight the wrong way. Often a judge can start off by seeing a fight a certain way and then stay with this perception, which might not be the right one. (The late Jack Fiske called it "getting stuck in a wrong scoring groove".)

Years ago in Britain, believe it or not many decisions handed down by the referee (when the ref was the sole judge) favoured the visiting fighter. When the American featherweight Don Johnson got the verdict over Howard Winstone there was outrage, to a lesser extent when U.S. heavyweight Mike De John got the verdict over Dick Richardson and Willie Pastrano over Brian London. When the French lightweight Guy Gracia got the verdict over Dave Charnley it was considered a mind-boggling decision. British referees in many cases, seemed, years ago, to lean over backwards to favour the visiting guy. It was widely said in the British fight trade, despairingly: "This is the only country in the world where this would happen."

Times change, but I do believe that a judge doesn't at all like to be considered a "bad judge" -- that is, someone whose judgement cannot be trusted. There have been so-called bad decisions all over the world and throughout boxing history and the U.S. hasn't been exempt: Louis-Walcott I, Schmeling-Braddock II might have been two of the most controversial decisions in ring history.

Scoring fights is often a matter of opinion, what an individual is seeing (or "thinks" he/she is seeing).

Of course, if rounds are closely contested then there is every likelihood that a local judge will give these rounds to the home fighter (Hekkie Budler vs Juanito Rubillar I in S. Africa may be a recent case in point).

Just my opinion.

Andrey · Jun 22, 2010

You said it exactly like it is. I have a feeling that Fury has improved. Obviously it is not the kind of fight when I am very sure with outcome, but good enough to bet.

Quanah said:
Do you get the feeling that Fury has improved from their first meeting? McDermott is nothing special, that's for sure. Fury definitely seems to have that 'golden boy' edge, in that all of the close rounds will most likely sway his way. For the first fight to be scored 98-92 Fury was a crime. There has been some confusion over the rounds in this one, but from what I understand it is a 12 round fight, not 10 as has been reported in some places. Can anyone confirm?

I hope they've got more than the referee judging this one. That is one ridiculous rule they've got in the UK, for the ref to be the sole judge. Talk about leaving the door open for corruption. What do you think of this, Graham or any of you UK guys?

Ghost Kid · Jun 22, 2010

Chavez workout and interview
http://www.ringtv.com/video/chavez_jr_workoutinterview/

Sort of slow, but i suppose it won't matter against midget armed Duddy

I just can't get excited about this one....don't trust either guy....

Quanah · Jun 22, 2010

Thanks Graham, Andrey, and Weepaul for your responses.

I think you're right Graham. The bottom line is that judging fights is subjective. There will always be disagreement in close fights. It's just that when we see overtly ridiculous decisions that we start to think that something is shady. SKY friday fights have recently earned this reputation.

I for one am happy to hear that the ref as the sole judge thing is on the outs. The ref has enough to deal with in there.

jacktorrance · Jun 23, 2010

Does anyone have an opinion for the Over/under 9.5 rnds for Chavez v Duddy at 5dimes? over is now -210 under +160?

Romi · Jun 23, 2010

jacktorrance said:
Does anyone have an opinion for the Over/under 9.5 rnds for Chavez v Duddy at 5dimes? over is now -210 under +160?

Personally, I wouldn't wager the over. It may very well go the dst but Duddy has been buzzed in a few fights by guys that can't really crack. JR can punch a little bit. I think if Jr hurts Duddy, he can get the job done and get him out. I would be pretty nervous betting -200 on the over with Duddy's chin or lack of. Also, Jr isn't exactly Willie Pep.

BTW, to answer Quanahs question on who sucks more...I think Duddy does and bet accordingly. I was looking forward to wagering nice odds on his first step up fight. I knew he was a hype job. Little did I know that Lyle would be good enough to get the job done...Odds had to have been at least +1200. I think Jr is a hype job as well but he's shown me more. I didn't wager a bundle but I think Jr gets the job done.

gardenweasel · Jun 23, 2010

jr has nice fundamentals.....he looks good...throws punches the way they`re supposed to be thrown...first time i saw him i was seriously impressed...

but he`s not all that...

how do guys become 41-1 and 29-1 without fighting top 10 fighters?....

both struggle occasionally vs the garbage they feed them ...theres a reason they feed both guys mediocre competion at this point in their careers...

could be fun to watch,though...competitively,looks good on paper...but make no mistake...this is set up as a win for chavez....the venue favors him....

just not 100% certain about jr`s strength/toughness...

Romi · Jun 23, 2010

gardenweasel said:
jr has nice fundamentals.....he looks good...throws punches the way they`re supposed to be thrown...first time i saw him i was seriously impressed...

but he`s not all that...

how do guys become 41-1 and 29-1 without fighting top 10 fighters?....

both struggle occasionally vs the garbage they feed them ...theres a reason they feed both guys mediocre competion at this point in their careers...

could be fun to watch,though...competitively,looks good on paper...

:thumb: You get Bob Arum to promote your fights.

Ghost Kid · Jun 23, 2010

Quanah · Jun 24, 2010

ding ding ding... odds are out on sb. slim pickins'

Kramden · Jun 24, 2010

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