I think Miranda(+200) has a good shot at upsetting Abraham on June 21. I have to give Abraham big-time kudos for fighting Miranda with a broken jaw last time they met. I feel Miranda now KNOWS what he has to do, and will fight smarter. It's a good value play. Also as I stated in another thread, it seems the world is on Cotto to beat Margarito. I'm not so sure. It's true Cotto has improved tremendously in the last 5 years. It's also true that Margarito has the heart of a lion and is relentless. Another value play on Margarito. Also I bet Kahn UNDER 9.5 rounds on 6/21. 5Dimes has it lined @ UNDER 7.5-210. I got it at Sportsbook 9.5UNDER-220. It has moved.
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i don`t see a problem with anything here,franks......
particularly miranda....
from what i`ve read,abraham was life and death with miranda in germany and came out of the fight pretty much the more compromised fighter...
i also understand that miranda got docked a few points(like 5!!!..lol),which may not happen at a neutral venue....
now that i have a better internet connection,i`m going to have to head over to youtube and try and find a video of this fight...i`ll have a more well formed opinion after seeing this with my own eyes..
regardless,abraham has hardly set foot out of germany....that`s huge...he`s not calzaghe,imo....i doubt his fan base will travel like calzaghe`s did....and even though miranda is pretty rough around the edges,he`s strong and extremely durable...
just from what i`ve read,1st fight unseen,miranda should have a real shot here...
the wildcard would be the stoppage loss to pavlik and whether that might have long-term ramifications for miranda...
whatever,miranda will be coming...that`s the only way he knows...what a tough fight for your first time on the road...
btw...is this the evan that everybody around here raves about?....
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particularly miranda....
from what i`ve read,abraham was life and death with miranda in germany and came out of the fight pretty much the more compromised fighter...
i also understand that miranda got docked a few points(like 5!!!..lol),which may not happen at a neutral venue....
now that i have a better internet connection,i`m going to have to head over to youtube and try and find a video of this fight...i`ll have a more well formed opinion after seeing this with my own eyes..
regardless,abraham has hardly set foot out of germany....that`s huge...he`s not calzaghe,imo....i doubt his fan base will travel like calzaghe`s did....and even though miranda is pretty rough around the edges,he`s strong and extremely durable...
just from what i`ve read,1st fight unseen,miranda should have a real shot here...
the wildcard would be the stoppage loss to pavlik and whether that might have long-term ramifications for miranda...
whatever,miranda will be coming...that`s the only way he knows...what a tough fight for your first time on the road...
btw...is this the evan that everybody around here raves about?....
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i`m on the 5th round and i`m not entirely sure that miranda`s headbutt didn`t cause the broken jaw...didn`t look like enough,but it seemed like that`s where the jaw issue started..
he kind of "double-headbutted" abraham and that first contact was lower on his head...
that said,i actually think that miranda`s the better boxer...if he used the jab more to set up his power shots,he`d have waltzed away with this win...
abraham seems to have been relegated to big lunging shots,some of which are landing...he`s dangerous...he stunned miranda a few times..
forward to late in the fight...miranda ahead,but he throws lots of punches that are picked off bt abrahan`s shoulders and arms....he`s getting hit a bit himself..
big round 9 for miranda...can`t locate rds 10-11-12....
some morons on youtube gave abraham rd 9...he got crushed in rd 9...i think it was 9...
up to this point,miranda`s in charge,imo...even though abraham flriies efffectively occasionally and lands some big shots...
bottomline...miranda`s a nice dog play here..but,abraham CAN hurt him..not sure how much would have changed if not for the broken jaw...maybe abraham would have come back......and given the pavlik beating,who knows?....
i think miranda should have stopped him given the jaw issue,but couldn`t...that makes you wonder a bit...
still,i`ve got some decent dog money on miranda in the rematch...
sorry for the rant...
he kind of "double-headbutted" abraham and that first contact was lower on his head...
that said,i actually think that miranda`s the better boxer...if he used the jab more to set up his power shots,he`d have waltzed away with this win...
abraham seems to have been relegated to big lunging shots,some of which are landing...he`s dangerous...he stunned miranda a few times..
forward to late in the fight...miranda ahead,but he throws lots of punches that are picked off bt abrahan`s shoulders and arms....he`s getting hit a bit himself..
big round 9 for miranda...can`t locate rds 10-11-12....
some morons on youtube gave abraham rd 9...he got crushed in rd 9...i think it was 9...
up to this point,miranda`s in charge,imo...even though abraham flriies efffectively occasionally and lands some big shots...
bottomline...miranda`s a nice dog play here..but,abraham CAN hurt him..not sure how much would have changed if not for the broken jaw...maybe abraham would have come back......and given the pavlik beating,who knows?....
i think miranda should have stopped him given the jaw issue,but couldn`t...that makes you wonder a bit...
still,i`ve got some decent dog money on miranda in the rematch...
sorry for the rant...
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Miranda is a great play here. He 's fighting in his in backyard and the fight is scheduled at 168 not 160 where Miranda absolutely killed himself to make weight. Abraham, I thought, had a bit of a struggle with ordinary Elvin Ayala in his last fight. Miranda would have zapped him in short order.
Further, Miranda has improved since his first outing with Abraham. I don't think King Arthur can say the same.:toast:
Further, Miranda has improved since his first outing with Abraham. I don't think King Arthur can say the same.:toast:
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Good post Frankie. I'm on the Kahn under...2 max wagers...1 is 9 1/2 rds, the other is 7 1/2 rds. Gomez may be damaged goods and out of his weight class. This is a showcase fight for Kahn and I'd be surprised to see it go rds.
I agree with Margo/Cotto. Cotto has never fought a big strong relentless guy like Margo. Cotto will be forced to box and move. If he stands and trades I think he gets bombed out. I see Cotto winning the early going on skills but i think the relentless pressure of margo will prevail later in the fight. I'm taking margo.
I certainly wouldn't be taking AA with the chalk. Miranda is an animal and a little stronger at the higher weight. This is a pic em and AA won't have the HUGE German home field advant here.
I bet Miranda at +225. I think AA will win but the fight is not in Germany and they are fighting at a higher weight, that gives me all the justification I need for this wager.
I think more people are on Margarito than you would think.
I am one for sure. I will wait until the last minute and then make a BIG play on Margarito. This is the first time Cotto is facing a fighter like himself, someone who just saps the will out of you. I am betting it's Cotto's will that gets cracked.
IN SAYING THAT, COTTO HAS COST ME MORE MONEY THAN ANY OTHER FIGHTER WHEN I BET AGAINST HIM SO BE WARNED :mj07: .
I just can't see Magarito winning. I love his heart and desire but he leaves to many openings and it will be his downfall. This looks to be a great and brutal fight. Bet it down for your pal Sponge.
Romi, you see the last 6 opponents of Gomez? Total garbage. Plus I just love the height advantage for Kahn. I was considering a parlay of Miranda/Kahn UNDER 9.5. Nice work weasel. You are now a professional analyst with your super deluxe hi-speed hemi internet!!!
i had no idea what i was missing....i`m still trying to find rds 10/11 and 12 though.....:SIB
i`m really surprised that abraham`s giving nearly 2-1 after watching the 1st fight.....
maybe we`re missing something...
i will say this...abraham has a set of steel coulumes despite the constant complaining about low blows during the fight(and to be fair,as elmer fudd might say,"there were some wow bwows")
I feel it's all about perception. The oddsmakers figure WE think Abraham is 2x as good as Miranda. Well, maybe some folks do. He may even be, but I still like getting odds with Pantera. If you figure out how to get the whole fight, please advise.
I played Miranda at 290. Its a great match up Miranda comes forward and Abraham is a counter puncher.
Abraham carries his power late but he has very low workrate early.
here is the whole fight commentary is in hungarian, didnt download this link but normaly these always work
http://www.megarotic.com/?d=EC9XOXX7
Abraham carries his power late but he has very low workrate early.
here is the whole fight commentary is in hungarian, didnt download this link but normaly these always work
http://www.megarotic.com/?d=EC9XOXX7
I added alot more to this one this morning. Gomez has been stopped 5 times by lesser opponents and was down twice early in the rematch w/Bognar several years back. He's fighting a much bigger, taller, and better opponent in Khan. I think 4 1/2 rds would have been the correct over/under rd. 7 1/2 rds is a gift IMO and 9 1/2 is making me believe in Santa Clause again. Punch mentioned the wager last week and I'm licking my chops at it. If Khan doesn't get him out of there then it will be nothing short of a trava-sham-mockery.
Seems Gomez is on a ball-breaking mission telling Kahn he will KO him. This is good. The line is still leaking up so a nice parlay would be outstanding. I hope Gary Shaw puts on another show in Primm. It was fun. As far as Gamboa, it would behoove him to get used to keeping his hands up. He has amazing natural physical talent, but he is a prime candidate to get KO'd with his style. There are guys who can, and will do it if he isn't careful.
I totally agree on the under of Khan-Gomez, though I'm usually pretty lousy with my underbets...
As for the Abraham Miranda fight.
From what I recall Abraham's jaw really looked horrible, I dont know if it comes across that way on youtube...Abraham really deserves a lot of credit for staying in the fight in such a bad condition.
I thought he did enough to win, Miranda really had trouble to connect on him...
Abraham is a very big middleweight, I think the catch weight of 164 will not be to his disadvantage.
I go with Abraham, I dont see too many advantages for Miranda. Abraham has a much better defence and he won the last fight despite his broken jaw...dont know if Miranda has improved since then...
BTW, I keep hearing that Miranda is the homefighter, but obviously he is not American....is it his promotion!?
I'm not so sure about Margarito any more, I'm on Margarito in the last few rounds...
I also like Cotto and Williams to go some rounds....
As for the Abraham Miranda fight.
From what I recall Abraham's jaw really looked horrible, I dont know if it comes across that way on youtube...Abraham really deserves a lot of credit for staying in the fight in such a bad condition.
I thought he did enough to win, Miranda really had trouble to connect on him...
Abraham is a very big middleweight, I think the catch weight of 164 will not be to his disadvantage.
I go with Abraham, I dont see too many advantages for Miranda. Abraham has a much better defence and he won the last fight despite his broken jaw...dont know if Miranda has improved since then...
BTW, I keep hearing that Miranda is the homefighter, but obviously he is not American....is it his promotion!?
I'm not so sure about Margarito any more, I'm on Margarito in the last few rounds...
I also like Cotto and Williams to go some rounds....
i think "sham-mockery" was me.....but,the "trava" thing is way over my head.....
just sayin`...:142smilie
just sayin`...:142smilie
I've been on this site for about a year but I saw the term "trava-sham-mockery" about 4-5 years back. As far as I know this funny guy named "Kidd" from another site coined the phrase and I see it used on that site from time to time. Last year a few of us lost out on a very nice EASY MONEY under play on Zab/Galvin. Zab tore into the guy from the get go and had him in all kinds of trouble. The ending was imminent. Galvin suffered a bad cut that the knucklehead ref incorrectly called an unintentional head butt. The fight was incorrectly ruled a no contest instead of a tko and we all lost out. Suffice to say, it was nothing short of a trava-sham-mockery.
Conventional wisdom says the loser in the first fight of a rematch is at a disadvantage in the second fight. However, when the first fight was somewhat close, and you can get odds on the challenger, the underdog is worth a very close look-see. Hence the Miranda lean. Also, another mantra is that "styles make fights". Williams was a BAD matchup for Margarito. This should be different. Cotto gives up height and reach here. I'd say punching power is about the same. Cotto has better defence, even though both get hit more than they should. My lean is Margarito. The more I think about Kahn amd Gomez, the more I see Gomez getting put to sleep forthwith. I think we should use TSM for a shady situation. Thanks Romi for the nomenclature contribution.
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The speed difference between Margarito and Cotto is absolutely silly. He's going to make Margarito look slow as hell. Margarito's best hope is that he tires Cotto down as the fight progresses and gets him late. I think Cotto wins comfortably though.
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The speed difference between Margarito and Cotto is absolutely silly. He's going to make Margarito look slow as hell. Margarito's best hope is that he tires Cotto down as the fight progresses and gets him late. I think Cotto wins comfortably though.
