Finding it very difficult to narrow down this weeks field - currently have 8 names written down, so bets will have to be made on grounds of value, 1st bet is Rocco Mediate (just hoping the back holds out - although most recent winners of this event have been unfit before playing here) 66/1 Bet365 or William Hill only 33/1 at Centrebet
Buick Challenge
- Thread starter Ian
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early 72 holes @ Cascade
Tripplet -120 over K Perry
Edwards -108 over Funk
Garcia +105 over Els
Toms + 105 over Singh
Estes -125 over Daly
Note they have 2 matches up with lines on Garcia/Els
one @ -104 and one @ + 105
Tripplet -120 over K Perry
Edwards -108 over Funk
Garcia +105 over Els
Toms + 105 over Singh
Estes -125 over Daly
Note they have 2 matches up with lines on Garcia/Els
Best match bet I have seen in a while, Scott Dunlap has only made 2 of his last 11 cuts and then only finished 51st and 52nd, he has also missed his last 3 cuts here, Carl Paulson however has made his last 5 cuts and finished 4th on his debut here last year -125 Camelot
Annoyingly Sporting Odds have gone 80/1 Mediate
Also they go 66/1 Elkington which I can't resist and 125/1 Maggert to small stakes
Also they go 66/1 Elkington which I can't resist and 125/1 Maggert to small stakes
Just found this:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Notes: Two players withdrew from the tournament on Monday. Dudley Hart and Scott McCarron did not give reasons to the PGA Tour for their withdrawals. ... Meanwhile, four players were added to the field: Jay Don Blake, Robert Damron, Danny Ellis and Mark McCumber. ... In order to keep the field at a maximum of 132, Kaname Yokoo and Michael Muehr were bumped out of the tournament field and onto the alternate list. ... The team led by pro Ed Fryatt won the Larry Mize pro-am on Monday with an 19-under 53. The amateurs on that team were Ron Cottle, Paul Kite, Jim Miller and Stephan Thomas
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Notes: Two players withdrew from the tournament on Monday. Dudley Hart and Scott McCarron did not give reasons to the PGA Tour for their withdrawals. ... Meanwhile, four players were added to the field: Jay Don Blake, Robert Damron, Danny Ellis and Mark McCumber. ... In order to keep the field at a maximum of 132, Kaname Yokoo and Michael Muehr were bumped out of the tournament field and onto the alternate list. ... The team led by pro Ed Fryatt won the Larry Mize pro-am on Monday with an 19-under 53. The amateurs on that team were Ron Cottle, Paul Kite, Jim Miller and Stephan Thomas
72 holes @ Camelot
Geiberger -110 over Lickliter
Henry -115 over Brooks
Kendall -115 over Pernice
Cochran +100 over Hjerstadt
Hnatuik +100 over Waldorf
Geiberger -110 over Lickliter
Henry -115 over Brooks
Kendall -115 over Pernice
Cochran +100 over Hjerstadt
Hnatuik +100 over Waldorf
One final outright play on Azinger - 40/1 at William Hill or Sportingbet
I really like the chances of Love this week but simply cannot bring myself to back him at 12/1 in such a competitive field
I really like the chances of Love this week but simply cannot bring myself to back him at 12/1 in such a competitive field
Ian,
I would be interested to know what sort of staking plan you use....
It's only Tuesday and you have already bet on 6 players outright, which doesn't yet include Davis Love who you think might win.
I would be interested to know what sort of staking plan you use....
It's only Tuesday and you have already bet on 6 players outright, which doesn't yet include Davis Love who you think might win.
Bettingmad
Each week I look at every event on all the tours, chose my players and will price up each of those - this week it was
Azinger 33/1
Beckman 80/1
Elk 50/1
Maggert 80/1
Mediate 50/1
Estes 28/1
Love 14/1
Toms 25/1
If any of those players exceeds my prediction then I will have a bet - the stake varies and each player is backed to win aset amount of money. Some weeks this will mean having 6 bets (though rarely) other weeks it might be 1 or 2, I do not like sticking to having a set number per tournament as I might leave someone out or I might end up betting on someone I should not, I bet purely on what I consider to be a value price.
I also always take early prices at the beginning of the week as they are often cut and I cannot see the point of waiting for things such as tee times as these IMO do not have as much bearing on most events as other people think
Hope this answers your question
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Each week I look at every event on all the tours, chose my players and will price up each of those - this week it was
Azinger 33/1
Beckman 80/1
Elk 50/1
Maggert 80/1
Mediate 50/1
Estes 28/1
Love 14/1
Toms 25/1
If any of those players exceeds my prediction then I will have a bet - the stake varies and each player is backed to win aset amount of money. Some weeks this will mean having 6 bets (though rarely) other weeks it might be 1 or 2, I do not like sticking to having a set number per tournament as I might leave someone out or I might end up betting on someone I should not, I bet purely on what I consider to be a value price.
I also always take early prices at the beginning of the week as they are often cut and I cannot see the point of waiting for things such as tee times as these IMO do not have as much bearing on most events as other people think
Hope this answers your question
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My first loss last week in sometime.
This weeks matchup for 72 holes shall be:
Faxon +110 over Sutton
Happy Gaming
This weeks matchup for 72 holes shall be:
Faxon +110 over Sutton
Happy Gaming
Ian,
So say the target figure is 100 (or multiples thereof) for any player, you place win bets only:
1.50 on Mediate & Elkington at 66/1
2.50 on Estes & Azinger 40/1
0.80 on Maggert & Beckman 125/1
thus giving a return of 100 for a 9.60 stake which equates to just over 9/1.
I suppose if the prices were shorter you would have to have less selections.
Unlucky mate... I've gone for Davis at the 12/1 John Wood.
Go on Ian.... 7.70 at 12/1 .. it still returns over 9/2 for your total stake
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[This message has been edited by bettingmad (edited 10-23-2001).]
So say the target figure is 100 (or multiples thereof) for any player, you place win bets only:
1.50 on Mediate & Elkington at 66/1
2.50 on Estes & Azinger 40/1
0.80 on Maggert & Beckman 125/1
thus giving a return of 100 for a 9.60 stake which equates to just over 9/1.
I suppose if the prices were shorter you would have to have less selections.
Unlucky mate... I've gone for Davis at the 12/1 John Wood.
Go on Ian.... 7.70 at 12/1 .. it still returns over 9/2 for your total stake
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notes:
BY GUERRY CLEGG
Staff Writer
--
Among the wry comments defending champion David Duval made regarding the Buick Challenge was concern about the rye grass.
But Callaway Gardens greens superintendent Gary Wilder said the players will have to look hard this week to find any traces of a course on the brink of winter hibernation. Wilder said the course was only lightly overseeded with rye, a shinier grass than Bermuda.
You have to keep the playability in mind, Wilder said. On the greens, you really won't notice any difference.
Wilder said only 40 percent of the seed has been put out. The rest of it will be put out next week after the Buick Challenge has left town. Wilder said full overseeding would slow it down, which the players would dislike.
Wilder said Dennis Ledger, a PGA Tour agronomist, toured the Mountain View Course last week and gave it high marks. Rave reviews are nothing new for the course. The Tour and the players, almost unanimously, have rated the Callaway Gardens venue one of the top courses on the schedule.
The rough will be maintained at 21/2 inches.
But the height's not the key, said Wilder. It's the density that's the key. It's a thick 21/2 inches.
BY GUERRY CLEGG
Staff Writer
--
Among the wry comments defending champion David Duval made regarding the Buick Challenge was concern about the rye grass.
But Callaway Gardens greens superintendent Gary Wilder said the players will have to look hard this week to find any traces of a course on the brink of winter hibernation. Wilder said the course was only lightly overseeded with rye, a shinier grass than Bermuda.
You have to keep the playability in mind, Wilder said. On the greens, you really won't notice any difference.
Wilder said only 40 percent of the seed has been put out. The rest of it will be put out next week after the Buick Challenge has left town. Wilder said full overseeding would slow it down, which the players would dislike.
Wilder said Dennis Ledger, a PGA Tour agronomist, toured the Mountain View Course last week and gave it high marks. Rave reviews are nothing new for the course. The Tour and the players, almost unanimously, have rated the Callaway Gardens venue one of the top courses on the schedule.
The rough will be maintained at 21/2 inches.
But the height's not the key, said Wilder. It's the density that's the key. It's a thick 21/2 inches.
Three matchups for me this week:
Beckman -110 vs Geiberger
Leonard -120 vs Mayfair
Mediate -115 vs Lowery
All lines at Grand Central Sports
Beckman -110 vs Geiberger
Leonard -120 vs Mayfair
Mediate -115 vs Lowery
All lines at Grand Central Sports
Very busy week at work, so somewhat later than usual ...
Preview & outright plays:
Georgia hosts its fourth event this year. The event has been moved back a month to the week before the Tour Championship and a stronger field than in previous years is the result. With two of the Georgia events being majors, it has been a good year for the home state players. Notable among these is Davis Love, David Duval and Stewart Cink, the latter two being former students at Georgia Tech. The distinction is important as the Georgia courses have Bermudagrass on their greens. The exception is the Augusta National which replaced its original surfaces with Bentgrass despite its incompatibility with the high temperatures of the region. It is therefore not surprising that all of the last five winners of this championship have come from the Southern states.
The Mountain View course at Callaway Gardens is hilly and much is made of the narrow fairways that are lined with pine trees and thick rough. It may explain the strong showings of Fred Funk and Jeff Maggert here, but this may be a week in which length will be a little more important. The area has had a fair amount of rain in the last couple of weeks which should make the ability to reach the par-fives in two a greater advantage and should reduce the amount of roll on the fairways thereby limiting the effectiveness of the narrowness of the fairways. Nevertheless, this is a course for a course for the ball-strikers, the greens in regulation specialists. With the last four winners being Dadid Duval, David Toms, Steve Elkington and Davis Love, that conclusion is reinforced.
The three selections for this event are Davis Love, Bob Estes and Vijay Singh. Love has an excellent record in this event. Since it was moved to Callaway Gardens in 1991 he has won once (1997) and finished outside the top-20 on just one occasion. With some very strong performances in the past two weeks, he looks a justifiable favorite and the six places on offer with Simon Bold is enough temptation not to take the place-only offer with Olympic for this perennial 'nearly man' - ten runners-up spots but just one victory in the last three seasons.
No such finishing worries with Estes. He led from start to finish at the St Jude Classic in June and also won on his last outing at the Invensys Classic. That victory was only to be expected. He had finished in the top-10 in his previous three events in September and has now shot every single round in the 60s in his last four tournaments. In this form he can certainly improve on his top-25 finishes in this event in the last two years.
The final selection has shown signs of renewed form. Singh did play well when he lost to Torrance in the Cisco World Matchplay two weeks ago and looked a far better player than in previous months when finishing 6th last week. He does have a very poor record on this course when he played here from 1996 to 1998, but he is a confidence player who can put together very long runs of top-10 finishes or better, as he has shown this season. With finishes of 2nd and 3rd on the two occasions that the Tour Championship has been staged at East Lake GC in Georgia, he has shown that he can play on Bermuda greens, but those finishes also show his weakness. He has not won on the PGA Tour since winning the Masters last year. Seven times he has finished in the top-4 on the PGA Tour this year, but he has not won any of those twenty-two events. The 'place-only' odds are definitely appropriate for Vijay.
Outright plays:
David Love to win 10/1 e.w. @ Simon Bold
Bob Estes to win 40/1 e.w. @ Olympic
Vijay Singh to 'show' 6/1 @ Olympic
Preview & outright plays:
Georgia hosts its fourth event this year. The event has been moved back a month to the week before the Tour Championship and a stronger field than in previous years is the result. With two of the Georgia events being majors, it has been a good year for the home state players. Notable among these is Davis Love, David Duval and Stewart Cink, the latter two being former students at Georgia Tech. The distinction is important as the Georgia courses have Bermudagrass on their greens. The exception is the Augusta National which replaced its original surfaces with Bentgrass despite its incompatibility with the high temperatures of the region. It is therefore not surprising that all of the last five winners of this championship have come from the Southern states.
The Mountain View course at Callaway Gardens is hilly and much is made of the narrow fairways that are lined with pine trees and thick rough. It may explain the strong showings of Fred Funk and Jeff Maggert here, but this may be a week in which length will be a little more important. The area has had a fair amount of rain in the last couple of weeks which should make the ability to reach the par-fives in two a greater advantage and should reduce the amount of roll on the fairways thereby limiting the effectiveness of the narrowness of the fairways. Nevertheless, this is a course for a course for the ball-strikers, the greens in regulation specialists. With the last four winners being Dadid Duval, David Toms, Steve Elkington and Davis Love, that conclusion is reinforced.
The three selections for this event are Davis Love, Bob Estes and Vijay Singh. Love has an excellent record in this event. Since it was moved to Callaway Gardens in 1991 he has won once (1997) and finished outside the top-20 on just one occasion. With some very strong performances in the past two weeks, he looks a justifiable favorite and the six places on offer with Simon Bold is enough temptation not to take the place-only offer with Olympic for this perennial 'nearly man' - ten runners-up spots but just one victory in the last three seasons.
No such finishing worries with Estes. He led from start to finish at the St Jude Classic in June and also won on his last outing at the Invensys Classic. That victory was only to be expected. He had finished in the top-10 in his previous three events in September and has now shot every single round in the 60s in his last four tournaments. In this form he can certainly improve on his top-25 finishes in this event in the last two years.
The final selection has shown signs of renewed form. Singh did play well when he lost to Torrance in the Cisco World Matchplay two weeks ago and looked a far better player than in previous months when finishing 6th last week. He does have a very poor record on this course when he played here from 1996 to 1998, but he is a confidence player who can put together very long runs of top-10 finishes or better, as he has shown this season. With finishes of 2nd and 3rd on the two occasions that the Tour Championship has been staged at East Lake GC in Georgia, he has shown that he can play on Bermuda greens, but those finishes also show his weakness. He has not won on the PGA Tour since winning the Masters last year. Seven times he has finished in the top-4 on the PGA Tour this year, but he has not won any of those twenty-two events. The 'place-only' odds are definitely appropriate for Vijay.
Outright plays:
David Love to win 10/1 e.w. @ Simon Bold
Bob Estes to win 40/1 e.w. @ Olympic
Vijay Singh to 'show' 6/1 @ Olympic
Stanley,
As mentioned above Davis Love is 12/1 at JohnWoodbookmakers.co.uk (still available now).
The site does not accept internet bets but it's a freephone and they pay 1/4 first 5.
Pity the simonbold site does not allow golf doubles... at 1/4 first 6 places, Goosen and Love looked worth a small speculation.
As mentioned above Davis Love is 12/1 at JohnWoodbookmakers.co.uk (still available now).
The site does not accept internet bets but it's a freephone and they pay 1/4 first 5.
Pity the simonbold site does not allow golf doubles... at 1/4 first 6 places, Goosen and Love looked worth a small speculation.
