Speaking of Simon Bold Do they have toll free # I have missed.Just opened my phone bill and am looking at charge of $20.45 for 7 minutes where I tried to get signed up on Oct 3rd to no avail.Its the Sterling to $'s hangup I believe.
Buick Challenge
- Thread starter Ian
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It's all happened this week...Lawrie holes a 35 footer to win at St Andrews...and Stanley has to work!!
FWIW, I've sided with Price (50/1), Appleby (50/1) and Flesch (40/1)
FWIW, I've sided with Price (50/1), Appleby (50/1) and Flesch (40/1)
Got a little unofficial money on Flesch myself.
Bet it was Ian!It wasn't televised here but in seeing the scores in progress I knew we would have one happy camper.Can't believe brother Stan had em up top in all 3 tours only to have ole Murph climb on with both feet.I was going to do a little whining on my plays but didn't have the heart after the bad beats Stan incurred
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Thanks for reminding me about that putt Clive
Believe me, there were some ungodly words uttered from my mouth when that putt was holed from the Valley of Sin!
Anyway ...
72-hole plays:
Chris Riley to beat David Berganio -150 @ Camelot
Big difference in form between these and it is reflected in the price, but Riley should win this match more than 60% of the time. He has finished in the top-15 in seven of his last nine events, while Berganio played his first event in over a month in the Invensys Classic and missed the cut
Tom Byrum to beat Tom Scherrer -111 @ Simon Bold
Just as big a difference in form between these two. Scherrer is playing for the sixth straight week and has managed to make the cut on two occasions in that stretch. It was quite an achievement - they are the only cuts he has made in his last fourteen events! By contrast, Byrum has made his last four cuts and is now within reach of that all-important top-125 position on the money list
Bob Estes to beat John Daly -111 @ BetInternet [3 units]
Daly withdrew from last week's event citing fatigue and with him obligated to play this week because of his Callaway sponsorship, it was to be expected. But this course can hardly rank as one of his favorites, it is narrow and tree-lined and he has only reached the weekend twice in the last eight years, finishing 63rd and 67th on those occasions. He may be playing his best golf for years, but this history is too strong to reverse in one week. Very easy to oppose him with an outright selection in much better form
Justin Leonard to beat John Daly -110 @ Camelot
The return to narrow fairways and Bermuda greens will suit Leonard as they did at LaCantera when he was victorious four weeks ago. He already four top-25 finishes in six years at Callaway Gardens, but he shouldn't need another to beat Daly
Jesper Parnevik to beat John Daly -118 @ Sportingbet
Parnevik is a debutant on this course, but has shown good form in recent weeks. He finished 6th last week and 11th at the similar LaCantera GC, so a decent showing is expected from the Swede this week
Davis Love to beat David Duval -111 @ Easybets
Duval won this event last year when returning from injury, but it is not injury that explains his lack of competitive golf since winning the British Open. He has only played four times since securing his first major and frankly, he has not looked like an Open champion. His best finish has been 10th and he was a poor 41st in the Michelob Championship three weeks ago. Despite his Georgia connections, it is very surprising to see him cited as the favorite in this matchup by Easybets - they are the only book to do so
Hal Sutton to beat Steve Elkington -111 @ Paddy Power
Both have excellent records in this event, but the clincher is Elkington's performance in the Dunhill Links Championship. He didn't even have the luxury of returning home on Sunday after 54 holes because his amateur partner qualified for the final round even though he missed the cut in the pro event. It meant that Elkington had to endure a fifth day of golf in the wind and cold rain and given his fitness problems, it is too much to expect a strong performance this week from him
Kirk Triplett to beat J.J. Henry -111 @ Ladbrokes [2 units]
Two players in fine form in recent weeks, but Triplett has beaten Henry in the two events that they have both started and Henry was a poor 64th in his last event two weeks ago
Skip Kendall to beat Tom Pernice -125 @ Camelot
Ranked 173rd in driving accuracy and 157th in greens in regulation, it should be a major surprise if Pernice features at all on this course. With 21st his best finish in his last six starts, he will struggle to better that. Kendall has finished in the top-20 in each of the last three events and has a game far more suited to Callaway Gardens
Anyway ...
72-hole plays:
Chris Riley to beat David Berganio -150 @ Camelot
Big difference in form between these and it is reflected in the price, but Riley should win this match more than 60% of the time. He has finished in the top-15 in seven of his last nine events, while Berganio played his first event in over a month in the Invensys Classic and missed the cut
Tom Byrum to beat Tom Scherrer -111 @ Simon Bold
Just as big a difference in form between these two. Scherrer is playing for the sixth straight week and has managed to make the cut on two occasions in that stretch. It was quite an achievement - they are the only cuts he has made in his last fourteen events! By contrast, Byrum has made his last four cuts and is now within reach of that all-important top-125 position on the money list
Bob Estes to beat John Daly -111 @ BetInternet [3 units]
Daly withdrew from last week's event citing fatigue and with him obligated to play this week because of his Callaway sponsorship, it was to be expected. But this course can hardly rank as one of his favorites, it is narrow and tree-lined and he has only reached the weekend twice in the last eight years, finishing 63rd and 67th on those occasions. He may be playing his best golf for years, but this history is too strong to reverse in one week. Very easy to oppose him with an outright selection in much better form
Justin Leonard to beat John Daly -110 @ Camelot
The return to narrow fairways and Bermuda greens will suit Leonard as they did at LaCantera when he was victorious four weeks ago. He already four top-25 finishes in six years at Callaway Gardens, but he shouldn't need another to beat Daly
Jesper Parnevik to beat John Daly -118 @ Sportingbet
Parnevik is a debutant on this course, but has shown good form in recent weeks. He finished 6th last week and 11th at the similar LaCantera GC, so a decent showing is expected from the Swede this week
Davis Love to beat David Duval -111 @ Easybets
Duval won this event last year when returning from injury, but it is not injury that explains his lack of competitive golf since winning the British Open. He has only played four times since securing his first major and frankly, he has not looked like an Open champion. His best finish has been 10th and he was a poor 41st in the Michelob Championship three weeks ago. Despite his Georgia connections, it is very surprising to see him cited as the favorite in this matchup by Easybets - they are the only book to do so
Hal Sutton to beat Steve Elkington -111 @ Paddy Power
Both have excellent records in this event, but the clincher is Elkington's performance in the Dunhill Links Championship. He didn't even have the luxury of returning home on Sunday after 54 holes because his amateur partner qualified for the final round even though he missed the cut in the pro event. It meant that Elkington had to endure a fifth day of golf in the wind and cold rain and given his fitness problems, it is too much to expect a strong performance this week from him
Kirk Triplett to beat J.J. Henry -111 @ Ladbrokes [2 units]
Two players in fine form in recent weeks, but Triplett has beaten Henry in the two events that they have both started and Henry was a poor 64th in his last event two weeks ago
Skip Kendall to beat Tom Pernice -125 @ Camelot
Ranked 173rd in driving accuracy and 157th in greens in regulation, it should be a major surprise if Pernice features at all on this course. With 21st his best finish in his last six starts, he will struggle to better that. Kendall has finished in the top-20 in each of the last three events and has a game far more suited to Callaway Gardens
Been looking till I'm blue in the face trying to find players to oppose when cold hits Sarurday and for life of me can't find correlation of any player consistantly bad in the cold.If anyone has the time and wants to research it here are tournys and rounds with similiar anticipated temps.I omitted any 4th rd scores to be considered due to pins would inflate score and could come up with zilch.
Nissan entire tourny cold
Bell South rds 3&4
Greater Greensboro Open rd 1
Michalob Champ rds 3&4
Tucson rds 2&3
Nissan entire tourny cold
Bell South rds 3&4
Greater Greensboro Open rd 1
Michalob Champ rds 3&4
Tucson rds 2&3
Liked that line on Parny at Sportingbet also Stan and was surprised at it.Took small flyer myself to cover S&G 3ball and outright wager there.
OK, can't resist a stats challenge
Below is a table of players in this week's field who have played in at least one of DTB's eleven "cold rounds". I have displayed the players' average "adjusted scores" [see my website for definition] for these "cold rounds" and their current 3-year average as a benchmark [given on 'long-term form' table on my site]. I've also included the number of "cold rounds" so you can tell how robust the results are. Hope it helps
Below is a table of players in this week's field who have played in at least one of DTB's eleven "cold rounds". I have displayed the players' average "adjusted scores" [see my website for definition] for these "cold rounds" and their current 3-year average as a benchmark [given on 'long-term form' table on my site]. I've also included the number of "cold rounds" so you can tell how robust the results are. Hope it helps
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3-year "cold" diff. rds player
71.15 68.08 -3.07 5 Kraft, Greg
72.27 69.34 -2.93 5 Willis, Garrett
73.36 70.55 -2.81 1 Hallberg, Gary
71.35 68.86 -2.50 2 Coceres, Jose
71.51 69.37 -2.14 5 Berganio, David
71.67 69.60 -2.07 6 Micheel, Shaun
71.55 69.55 -2.00 1 Hjertstedt, Gabriel
71.13 69.21 -1.92 3 Byrum, Tom
71.33 69.48 -1.85 5 Hnatiuk, Glen
72.07 70.30 -1.77 4 Leggatt, Ian
71.23 69.58 -1.65 2 Jones, Steve
72.38 70.77 -1.61 6 Goggin, Mathew
71.71 70.14 -1.58 7 Simpson, Scott
71.26 69.69 -1.57 8 Toledo, Esteban
71.10 69.55 -1.55 1 Glasson, Bill
71.62 70.08 -1.54 9 Lancaster, Neal
71.87 70.36 -1.51 10 Freeman, Robin
70.88 69.42 -1.46 7 Dunlap, Scott
71.24 69.79 -1.45 7 Jobe, Brandt
70.38 68.96 -1.42 4 Howell, Charles
70.00 68.71 -1.29 4 Toms, David
72.44 71.23 -1.21 3 Ogilvy, Geoff
72.32 71.12 -1.20 4 Perks, Craig
70.99 69.82 -1.17 4 Frazar, Harrison
70.88 69.75 -1.13 3 O'Meara, Mark
71.47 70.35 -1.12 9 Choi, K.J.
70.94 69.82 -1.11 4 Pavin, Corey
70.54 69.43 -1.11 7 Maggert, Jeff
71.43 70.36 -1.07 7 Sposa, Mike
69.56 68.55 -1.01 1 Furyk, Jim
72.24 71.30 -0.94 6 Gow, Paul
71.90 70.96 -0.94 5 Burns, Bob
71.30 70.36 -0.93 7 Nobilo, Frank
70.81 69.89 -0.92 11 Kelly, Jerry
71.86 70.99 -0.88 8 Hughes, Bradley
71.02 70.14 -0.88 8 Mattiace, Len
72.08 71.25 -0.83 5 Green, Jimmy
71.34 70.61 -0.73 5 Smith, Chris
70.55 69.88 -0.67 5 Kendall, Skip
70.73 70.08 -0.65 5 Kaye, Jonathan
71.54 70.91 -0.63 6 Beckman, Cameron
70.46 69.83 -0.63 10 Tway, Bob
70.24 69.66 -0.58 6 Flesch, Steve
70.20 69.64 -0.56 5 Sluman, Jeff
71.06 70.57 -0.48 4 Brooks, Mark
71.29 70.90 -0.39 3 Peoples, David
69.85 69.57 -0.29 7 Cink, Stewart
69.83 69.57 -0.26 6 Parnevik, Jesper
70.19 69.93 -0.26 4 Triplett, Kirk
70.99 70.74 -0.25 9 Riley, Chris
71.09 70.84 -0.25 5 Stankowski, Paul
71.54 71.32 -0.21 4 Jacobsen, Peter
71.90 71.70 -0.20 6 McRoy, Spike
71.30 71.13 -0.17 6 Fryatt, Edward
69.68 69.55 -0.13 1 Sutton, Hal
70.60 70.48 -0.12 7 Mayfair, Billy
70.95 70.85 -0.11 3 Edwards, Joel
70.91 70.81 -0.10 6 Mize, Larry
71.67 71.57 -0.09 4 Sabbatini, Rory
71.65 71.57 -0.08 8 Daly, John
71.29 71.23 -0.06 3 Waite, Grant
69.88 69.83 -0.04 6 Price, Nick
71.39 71.36 -0.04 2 Donald, Luke
71.04 71.01 -0.03 9 Magee, Andrew
70.24 70.23 -0.01 3 Perry, Kenny
70.07 70.07 0.00 4 Mediate, Rocco
71.60 71.62 0.02 4 Smith, Jerry
71.21 71.27 0.06 8 Cochran, Russ
71.64 71.71 0.07 7 Barron, Doug
69.16 69.24 0.08 6 Love, Davis
71.42 71.50 0.08 2 Frost, David
69.98 70.07 0.10 4 Garcia, Sergio
72.24 72.37 0.12 5 Dunakey, Doug
71.49 71.62 0.13 11 Tryba, Ted
70.27 70.52 0.25 9 Sutherland, Kevin
71.61 71.87 0.26 4 Williamson, Jay
70.58 70.84 0.26 5 Geiberger, Brent
70.99 71.28 0.29 7 Elkington, Steve
70.99 71.28 0.30 7 Browne, Olin
70.25 70.55 0.30 1 Appleby, Stuart
70.70 71.07 0.37 4 Waldorf, Duffy
71.13 71.51 0.38 3 Carter, Jim
71.21 71.63 0.42 6 Lewis, J.L.
71.16 71.64 0.48 6 Goydos, Paul
71.55 72.05 0.50 4 Baird, Briny
71.86 72.36 0.51 6 Henry, J.J.
71.18 71.70 0.52 8 Pernice, Tom
71.47 72.08 0.61 5 Paulson, Carl
71.58 72.20 0.62 6 Johansson, Per-Ulrik
70.68 71.32 0.64 4 Lowery, Steve
71.26 71.94 0.67 7 Scherrer, Tom
70.49 71.21 0.72 3 Janzen, Lee
71.80 72.53 0.73 5 Clark, Michael
71.54 72.33 0.80 7 Armour, Tommy
70.12 71.00 0.88 7 Perry, Chris
70.78 71.74 0.96 9 Maruyama, Shigeki
70.35 71.34 1.00 7 Funk, Fred
70.81 71.84 1.03 5 Pate, Steve
70.47 71.56 1.09 2 DiMarco, Chris
69.20 70.36 1.15 2 Duval, David
71.53 72.74 1.21 5 Gogel, Matt
71.73 73.06 1.33 7 Riegger, John
70.77 72.24 1.47 6 Cook, John
72.67 74.15 1.48 5 Nicklaus, Gary
71.53 73.20 1.67 6 Ogilvie, Joe
71.58 73.34 1.76 5 Elder, Brad
71.11 72.93 1.82 1 Durant, Joe
71.35 73.22 1.88 3 McCallister, Blaine
71.61 73.52 1.92 3 Jordan, Pete
71.56 73.50 1.94 2 Gossett, David
69.75 71.82 2.08 4 Leonard, Justin
70.57 72.78 2.21 4 Lickliter, Frank
70.24 72.50 2.25 2 Estes, Bob
69.87 72.36 2.48 2 Azinger, Paul
70.74 73.23 2.49 3 Day, Glen
71.09 74.93 3.84 1 Gay, Brian
69.69 73.56 3.87 2 Els, Ernie
71.58 75.85 4.27 3 Henninger, Brian
70.99 75.55 4.56 1 Andrade, Billy
74.93 82.55 7.62 1 Brown, Billy
</h5>I played a VERY UNUSUAL # of DOG lines this week, almost all of my plays are at -105 or more. I try not to "corrupt" my capping with limits on lines or influences other than capping, but this week has me nervous! Most linesmakers have the fav correct, just not always what I consider the right price, so value dogs are tough to find each week.
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Hi Guys
Im looking forward to this week,as Ive placed my Maximium Match up bet on:
KIRK TRIPLETT to beat Henry
At 9-10 with Ladbrokes,its well worth a play.My database on PGA Tour players reveals that when Triplett hits form,he usually maintains it for quite a while.So with a 2nd and 25th in his last two appearances,that consistency should carry on at the Buick.
Henry has his first appearance here,and looked a bit jaded on his last appearance.
On the outright,what about a big show from DAVID PEOPLES? Played well last week,has a good record here and at 150-1 with Chandler,surely he is overpriced.
Im looking forward to this week,as Ive placed my Maximium Match up bet on:
KIRK TRIPLETT to beat Henry
At 9-10 with Ladbrokes,its well worth a play.My database on PGA Tour players reveals that when Triplett hits form,he usually maintains it for quite a while.So with a 2nd and 25th in his last two appearances,that consistency should carry on at the Buick.
Henry has his first appearance here,and looked a bit jaded on his last appearance.
On the outright,what about a big show from DAVID PEOPLES? Played well last week,has a good record here and at 150-1 with Chandler,surely he is overpriced.
Had a few dollars left lying in one of my Euro books so have placed the following outrights:
Love 11-1
Flesch 40-1
Maggert 80-1
Love 11-1
Flesch 40-1
Maggert 80-1
Thanks Stan
Amazing how concise your data streams.Sure beats my hunt and peck method.Spent a couple hours and ended up with a few names with +'s and -'s and bang,you shoot out entire picture with a couple of key strokes.I'm impressed!Will copy this chart and send you wind and rain at seasons end
Had Els pegged and unfortunately and hope I'm wrong,Estes.Another point of interest was even though not in tourny much ado has been made of Hoch in cold weather and I found not much deviation.Maybe he just excells at high range of temps where others may decline?
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update on rough
From staff reports
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Loren Roberts paid Gary Wilder the ultimate compliment. Asked about the rye grass overseeding of Mountain View Course at Callaway Gardens, Roberts replied, Just the greens, right? They didn't overseed the fairways, did they?
Actually, yes - very lightly. But Wilder, the greens superintendent of Callaway Gardens, said his goal was to keep the overseeding to a minimum. He put out less than 40 percent of the seed on the fairways and greens, slightly more on the tee boxes for better footing.
Fully overseeding the course would have made it play longer. But Wilder was concerned that the summer Bermuda grass would start turning brown with an overnight frost.
I really knew it was going to be a fine line, Wilder said. This just gives it a little bit of color.
Wilder said Columbus resident Larry Mize relayed high marks from his fellow pros.
You can see it but I don't think it affects play at all, said Justin Leonard.
Added Roberts, The golf course is the best I've ever seen it. The rough is so thick and consistent, the thickest I've ever seen. It's so thick sometimes your ball sits up on it rather than sinking down
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Had Els pegged and unfortunately and hope I'm wrong,Estes.Another point of interest was even though not in tourny much ado has been made of Hoch in cold weather and I found not much deviation.Maybe he just excells at high range of temps where others may decline?
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update on rough
From staff reports
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Loren Roberts paid Gary Wilder the ultimate compliment. Asked about the rye grass overseeding of Mountain View Course at Callaway Gardens, Roberts replied, Just the greens, right? They didn't overseed the fairways, did they?
Actually, yes - very lightly. But Wilder, the greens superintendent of Callaway Gardens, said his goal was to keep the overseeding to a minimum. He put out less than 40 percent of the seed on the fairways and greens, slightly more on the tee boxes for better footing.
Fully overseeding the course would have made it play longer. But Wilder was concerned that the summer Bermuda grass would start turning brown with an overnight frost.
I really knew it was going to be a fine line, Wilder said. This just gives it a little bit of color.
Wilder said Columbus resident Larry Mize relayed high marks from his fellow pros.
You can see it but I don't think it affects play at all, said Justin Leonard.
Added Roberts, The golf course is the best I've ever seen it. The rough is so thick and consistent, the thickest I've ever seen. It's so thick sometimes your ball sits up on it rather than sinking down
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Haven't seen one stand up either Stan,without some assistance.
Agree with you on Coceres,Ian,a real life fairy tale.
Looked at card briefly(working on Breeders Cup)and playing one 2nd rounder.
Edwards -110 over Gossett @ WSEX
With 12 matches pending will update at cut.
Currently standing at 6-4-2
Agree with you on Coceres,Ian,a real life fairy tale.
Looked at card briefly(working on Breeders Cup)and playing one 2nd rounder.
Edwards -110 over Gossett @ WSEX
With 12 matches pending will update at cut.
Currently standing at 6-4-2
at the cut:
todays match 1-0 72 holes 5-2-2 & 3 pending
todays match Edwards/Gossett win by 2
72holes
Estes/Daly win by 11
Henry/Brooks win WD
Kendall/Pernice win by 2
Cochran/Hjerstadt win by 8
Hnatuik/Waldorf win WD
Tripp/Perry loss by 4
Toms/Singh loss WD
Garcia/Els push
Mayfair/Daly push
Pending
Edwards/Funk 8 up
Geiberger/Lickliter 2up
Kendall/Sutherland 3 down
Both outrights alive with Cink @ 23rd and Estes vaulting to 7th with 9 under today.
Three WD's that made little difference.Waldorf and Brooks were 6 over after round 1 and Toms trailed Singh by 8.
Appreciate Big John throwing in the towell and back handing putts on last 2 for bogies once he saw he wouldn't make cut.
Sergio better get someone to get him a consistant swing.Can't believe he can't bust par on this course.Bunches of top 10's but fails to bust top 50 in over 1/3 of his events stateside including 4 cuts.Feast or famine.
todays match 1-0 72 holes 5-2-2 & 3 pending
todays match Edwards/Gossett win by 2
72holes
Estes/Daly win by 11
Henry/Brooks win WD
Kendall/Pernice win by 2
Cochran/Hjerstadt win by 8
Hnatuik/Waldorf win WD
Tripp/Perry loss by 4
Toms/Singh loss WD
Garcia/Els push
Mayfair/Daly push
Pending
Edwards/Funk 8 up
Geiberger/Lickliter 2up
Kendall/Sutherland 3 down
Both outrights alive with Cink @ 23rd and Estes vaulting to 7th with 9 under today.
Three WD's that made little difference.Waldorf and Brooks were 6 over after round 1 and Toms trailed Singh by 8.
Appreciate Big John throwing in the towell and back handing putts on last 2 for bogies once he saw he wouldn't make cut.
Sergio better get someone to get him a consistant swing.Can't believe he can't bust par on this course.Bunches of top 10's but fails to bust top 50 in over 1/3 of his events stateside including 4 cuts.Feast or famine.
Mid-point update:
Seven of the nine plays are decided at the cut and five are winners
Byrum beat Scherrer by eight, Estes beat Daly by eleven, Leonard beat Daly by three, Parnevik beat Daly by three and Kendall beat Pernice by two. Triplett lost to Henry by three in the 2-unit play, while Sutton bogeyed the last to miss the cut by one and lose to Elkington by two. Shouldn't spoil a very good-looking week as Riley leads Berganio by four Love leads Duval by six in the two remaining plays. Plus there's a very nice look to the top of the leaderboard
Love is 1st, Singh is 2nd and Estes is 7th. Very nice!
Nice week for you also DTB
Seven of the nine plays are decided at the cut and five are winners
Nice week for you also DTB
Cheers Stan. What a stable you have up there in the outrights
3rd round plays
Kendall -118 over Berganio @ 5Dimes
Skip been very good to me of late.
Parny -115 over Leonard Oly cont all square
Trying the cold factor on one.Leonard rates 2 strokes worse in cold in chart Stan was so generous to provide (winf chill no better than 50's today.Parny closed strong to make cut.
3rd round plays
Kendall -118 over Berganio @ 5Dimes
Skip been very good to me of late.
Parny -115 over Leonard Oly cont all square
Trying the cold factor on one.Leonard rates 2 strokes worse in cold in chart Stan was so generous to provide (winf chill no better than 50's today.Parny closed strong to make cut.
Stanley,
With your 3 off the tee this week... I suppose you will be looking for bookies that do golf tricasts on the outrights next week?
Surely VJ is not going to actually WIN one... just when we don't want it... after all those times we have had him this year!
With your 3 off the tee this week... I suppose you will be looking for bookies that do golf tricasts on the outrights next week?
Surely VJ is not going to actually WIN one... just when we don't want it... after all those times we have had him this year!
Cheers Bettingmad
Let me see ... Davis is leading Vijay by one shot with 36 holes to go ... looks like the perfect situation for Estes to win
Let me see ... Davis is leading Vijay by one shot with 36 holes to go ... looks like the perfect situation for Estes to win
