Maybe the American Gov paid in a back door deal to have her released ????? This would have been a Major public relations hit against the war if she had been killed. Someone got paid, bet on it.
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Glad to see her home--but doubt if she was ever in jeopardy.
Reasoning they go through 3 different deadlines--she's interviewed twice in captivity pleading for her life each time--gets released and bulk of her statement is how well she was treated--something is amiss.
Reasoning they go through 3 different deadlines--she's interviewed twice in captivity pleading for her life each time--gets released and bulk of her statement is how well she was treated--something is amiss.
A Washington Post reporter was on the news that spoke with her after she got out, and said Carroll told her that "she said what she said, and did what she did, for one reason and one reason only: to stay alive." I have to say, I would say anything they wanted if I thought it would keep me alive if I were in that position.
Although it certainly does seem like a case of Stockholm Syndrome if she wasn't just playing along.
I'm sure there will be more info to come on this once she is back in the US.
Although it certainly does seem like a case of Stockholm Syndrome if she wasn't just playing along.
I'm sure there will be more info to come on this once she is back in the US.
Its same old story like believing our government officials. 50/50.
I'm sure she said what was needed to stay a live. I also believe she believes some of what she said.
I'm sure she said what was needed to stay a live. I also believe she believes some of what she said.
My question is--How is what she said in video during captivity--
"Tens of thousands ... have lost their lives here because of the occupation," she said in the video. "I think Americans need to think about that and realize day-to-day how difficult life is here."
She said the insurgents were "only trying to defend their country ... to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation."
--any diff than what she and her organization were saying before her captivity???????
---they bark like little chiwauaua's but where was her organization--the Penns--Sharadins-Moores ect when the chips were down---and whose trying to rescue em the very ones they diss--
"Tens of thousands ... have lost their lives here because of the occupation," she said in the video. "I think Americans need to think about that and realize day-to-day how difficult life is here."
She said the insurgents were "only trying to defend their country ... to stop an illegal and dangerous and deadly occupation."
--any diff than what she and her organization were saying before her captivity???????
---they bark like little chiwauaua's but where was her organization--the Penns--Sharadins-Moores ect when the chips were down---and whose trying to rescue em the very ones they diss--
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Carroll takes shot at her kidnappers
Journalist says she was forced to make video praising insurgents
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Former hostage Jill Carroll said Saturday she was forced to make a video in which she praises Iraq's insurgents.
The 28-year-old reporter said in a statement that she "abhors all who kidnap."
Carroll, saying "I'm happy to be here," arrived in Germany on Saturday, two days after her captors released her in Baghdad. But her arrival in the West was overshadowed by the airing in recent days of the video her kidnappers filmed before letting her go.
The video was posted on an Islamist Web site.
Carroll said in her statement that she was forced to film the propaganda video as the price for her freedom.
The statement was released by The Christian Science Monitor, which published a story Friday stating that Carroll's father had spoken with his daughter and she told him the video was coerced.
In her statement, Carroll also thanked everyone who worked for her release, but devoted a significant portion of the statement to defending herself against criticism regarding the video, in which she said the insurgents were "very smart" and would ultimately win the war in Iraq.
"During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video," she wrote. "They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.
"Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not."
She even lambasted her captors, who allegedly killed her interpreter, Alan Enwiya, when they abducted her in western Baghdad in January.
They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends -- and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release -- through a horrific experience," she wrote. "I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this."
Saying she wants to be regarded as a journalist, and not a hostage, Carroll said she would not engage in polemics against her kidnappers, "but let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes."
She was expected to arrive in Boston, Massachusetts, on Sunday, said Monitor Editor Richard Bergenheim, who read her Saturday statement to reporters.
Carroll, who is described as emotionally fragile after 82 days in captivity, spent Friday in Baghdad's fortified green zone.
However, Carroll's father flatly said his daughter was merely giving the kidnappers what they wanted so she wouldn't be killed.
In the video, Carroll discusses her release with a man who may be one of her captors. She says that the mujahedeen has treated her well, kept her safe and was able to elude the U.S. military because its members are "very smart."
She also calls the war "illegal" and says President George Bush needs to stop it.
"The mujahedeen are the ones that will win in the end," she says, adding that the insurgents "are good people fighting an honorable fight while the Americans are here as an occupying force treating the people in a very bad way."
Her father, however, told The Christian Science Monitor -- the paper she was freelancing for when she was abducted -- that she made the video to meet a final demand made by her captors, the newspaper reported Friday. The article's headline was "Jill Carroll forced to make propaganda video as price of freedom."
Jim Carroll said his daughter had reason to comply after the insurgents killed her translator, Allan Enwiya, and told her before filming the video that they had just killed an American hostage.
"She had been taught to fear them," Jim Carroll said, according to the Monitor. "After listening to them for three months she already knew exactly what they wanted her to say, so she gave it to them with appropriate acting to make it look convincing."
The kidnappers, Jim Carroll told the Monitor, "obviously wanted maximum propaganda value in the U.S."
The Monitor article also quotes Jill Carroll's colleagues -- including a U.S. Marine Corps public affairs officer -- praising the 28-year-old's neutrality on matters she was reporting.
"Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community," Capt. Patrick Kerr told the Monitor.
Carroll has not spoken publicly about her ordeal or the video, and a spokesman for the Monitor refused to comment on the story beyond saying that it stood on its own.
Kidnapper's claim
Counterterrorism expert Laura Mansfield speculated that Carroll may have made the comments after being subjected to her captors' thinking for 83 days. It would not be surprising for Carroll to come away with a "heightened affection" for the mujahedeen, she said.
Jill Carroll go back in peace to your friends and family and tell the American people about what you've seen and heard in the last three months.
-- Statement in video"That's what she's been spoon-fed for nearly three months," Mansfield said.
A man, presumably a member of the Brigades of Vengeance, which has claimed responsibility for Carroll's kidnapping, reads a statement in Arabic at the end of the video.
He levels an accusation at U.S. troops, saying they "show off their power by going around killing innocent, unarmed people, but they're unable to free [Carroll] and were unable to stop us from abducting her."
He also said Carroll was released only after the U.S. government partially met the group's demands by releasing some female prisoners it had in custody -- a claim U.S. authorities deny -- and he praises reporters in general as "friends and brothers to the mujahedeen."
"They are their voice that booms around the world. Jill Carroll go back in peace to your friends and family and tell the American people about what you've seen and heard in the last three months," the man says.
CNN cannot authenticate the source of the video. It is not clear when or where it was taped.
Journalist says she was forced to make video praising insurgents
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Former hostage Jill Carroll said Saturday she was forced to make a video in which she praises Iraq's insurgents.
The 28-year-old reporter said in a statement that she "abhors all who kidnap."
Carroll, saying "I'm happy to be here," arrived in Germany on Saturday, two days after her captors released her in Baghdad. But her arrival in the West was overshadowed by the airing in recent days of the video her kidnappers filmed before letting her go.
The video was posted on an Islamist Web site.
Carroll said in her statement that she was forced to film the propaganda video as the price for her freedom.
The statement was released by The Christian Science Monitor, which published a story Friday stating that Carroll's father had spoken with his daughter and she told him the video was coerced.
In her statement, Carroll also thanked everyone who worked for her release, but devoted a significant portion of the statement to defending herself against criticism regarding the video, in which she said the insurgents were "very smart" and would ultimately win the war in Iraq.
"During my last night in captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video," she wrote. "They told me they would let me go if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and wanted to go home alive. I agreed.
"Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not."
She even lambasted her captors, who allegedly killed her interpreter, Alan Enwiya, when they abducted her in western Baghdad in January.
They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends -- and all those around the world, who have prayed so fervently for my release -- through a horrific experience," she wrote. "I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this."
Saying she wants to be regarded as a journalist, and not a hostage, Carroll said she would not engage in polemics against her kidnappers, "but let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes."
She was expected to arrive in Boston, Massachusetts, on Sunday, said Monitor Editor Richard Bergenheim, who read her Saturday statement to reporters.
Carroll, who is described as emotionally fragile after 82 days in captivity, spent Friday in Baghdad's fortified green zone.
However, Carroll's father flatly said his daughter was merely giving the kidnappers what they wanted so she wouldn't be killed.
In the video, Carroll discusses her release with a man who may be one of her captors. She says that the mujahedeen has treated her well, kept her safe and was able to elude the U.S. military because its members are "very smart."
She also calls the war "illegal" and says President George Bush needs to stop it.
"The mujahedeen are the ones that will win in the end," she says, adding that the insurgents "are good people fighting an honorable fight while the Americans are here as an occupying force treating the people in a very bad way."
Her father, however, told The Christian Science Monitor -- the paper she was freelancing for when she was abducted -- that she made the video to meet a final demand made by her captors, the newspaper reported Friday. The article's headline was "Jill Carroll forced to make propaganda video as price of freedom."
Jim Carroll said his daughter had reason to comply after the insurgents killed her translator, Allan Enwiya, and told her before filming the video that they had just killed an American hostage.
"She had been taught to fear them," Jim Carroll said, according to the Monitor. "After listening to them for three months she already knew exactly what they wanted her to say, so she gave it to them with appropriate acting to make it look convincing."
The kidnappers, Jim Carroll told the Monitor, "obviously wanted maximum propaganda value in the U.S."
The Monitor article also quotes Jill Carroll's colleagues -- including a U.S. Marine Corps public affairs officer -- praising the 28-year-old's neutrality on matters she was reporting.
"Her professionalism and objectivity were unparalleled within the media community," Capt. Patrick Kerr told the Monitor.
Carroll has not spoken publicly about her ordeal or the video, and a spokesman for the Monitor refused to comment on the story beyond saying that it stood on its own.
Kidnapper's claim
Counterterrorism expert Laura Mansfield speculated that Carroll may have made the comments after being subjected to her captors' thinking for 83 days. It would not be surprising for Carroll to come away with a "heightened affection" for the mujahedeen, she said.
Jill Carroll go back in peace to your friends and family and tell the American people about what you've seen and heard in the last three months.
-- Statement in video"That's what she's been spoon-fed for nearly three months," Mansfield said.
A man, presumably a member of the Brigades of Vengeance, which has claimed responsibility for Carroll's kidnapping, reads a statement in Arabic at the end of the video.
He levels an accusation at U.S. troops, saying they "show off their power by going around killing innocent, unarmed people, but they're unable to free [Carroll] and were unable to stop us from abducting her."
He also said Carroll was released only after the U.S. government partially met the group's demands by releasing some female prisoners it had in custody -- a claim U.S. authorities deny -- and he praises reporters in general as "friends and brothers to the mujahedeen."
"They are their voice that booms around the world. Jill Carroll go back in peace to your friends and family and tell the American people about what you've seen and heard in the last three months," the man says.
CNN cannot authenticate the source of the video. It is not clear when or where it was taped.
I'm not sure what video and/or interview that article refers to, but I saw an interview on FOX where they clearly said she had been released at that time and was making it from the Green Zone.
Neither here or there, I guess, but that wasn't under duress. Not blaming the girl of course, but she definitely made statements after her release that were pretty friendly towards her captors.
Neither here or there, I guess, but that wasn't under duress. Not blaming the girl of course, but she definitely made statements after her release that were pretty friendly towards her captors.
i was tough on carroll...and i`m not crazy about journalists traipsing around in dangerous areas of baghdad....
but,to be fair,apparently the media got some of this story wrong.....SURPRISE!!...
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""During my last night of captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me they [sic] would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and I wanted to go home alive. So I agreed.
Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends _ all those around the world _ who have prayed so fervently for my release _ through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.
I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be broadcast or aired on television, and they broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn’t threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.
Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: One, that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and two, that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither statement is true.
I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy _ to discovering the truth _ and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.""
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for the most part,i don`t like her ilk.....but i`ll apologize for being a little harsh on her(based on some erroneous media reporting)...
she was a fool...for wandering around dangerous areas of iraq...unguarded and unattended....potentially distracting our troops and putting them in danger...
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""Clearly, idealism, ambition, and a spirit of adventure are the motivating forces driving Carroll and other freelancers working abroad. And more than a few are encouraged by editors who suggest their freelancing may eventually lead to staff positions with a regular salary and usual benefits – the very things one expects in any decent job, whether an office or coal mine.
Carroll would have enjoyed none of the benefits enjoyed by staff writers in Iraq: No bullet-proof vests; no war-zone training; no armed guards. Forget about insurance of any kind. (The Christian Science Monitor, to be sure, has yet to comment publicly on these issues; however, it appears she was not treated like a typical freelancer.) Even so, she was on her own, living in what The New York Times described as a modest “threadbare” room — all for the love of journalism.
There’s a certain hypocrisy at play when one compares the media’s attitude toward freelancers like Carroll against the values it professes as a noble and vigilant watchdog of the public’s trust. Consider the mining accident at the Sago mine in West Virginia, which occurred just days before Carroll’s kidnapping. The mainstream media raised its collective voice in anger over even a hint of safety violations at the mine. Yet when it comes to journalists like Carroll, it tolerates and even encourages the same abuses it would gleefully excoriate in those who fall into its journalistic cross hairs.
The public hasn’t a clue about what’s going on. The average reader would never suspect Carroll’s freelance status by looking at her byline in The Christian Science Monitor or other publications for which she wrote. Most would assume she was part of the paper’s foreign staff."""
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love the media...just love `em..
but,to be fair,apparently the media got some of this story wrong.....SURPRISE!!...
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""During my last night of captivity, my captors forced me to participate in a propaganda video. They told me they [sic] would be released if I cooperated. I was living in a threatening environment, under their control, and I wanted to go home alive. So I agreed.
Things that I was forced to say while captive are now being taken by some as an accurate reflection of my personal views. They are not. The people who kidnapped me and murdered Alan Enwiya are criminals, at best. They robbed Alan of his life and devastated his family. They put me, my family and my friends _ all those around the world _ who have prayed so fervently for my release _ through a horrific experience. I was, and remain, deeply angry with the people who did this.
I also gave a TV interview to the Iraqi Islamic Party shortly after my release. The party had promised me the interview would never be broadcast or aired on television, and they broke their word. At any rate, fearing retribution from my captors, I did not speak freely. Out of fear I said I wasn’t threatened. In fact, I was threatened many times.
Also, at least two false statements about me have been widely aired: One, that I refused to travel and cooperate with the U.S. military and two, that I refused to discuss my captivity with U.S. officials. Again, neither statement is true.
I want to be judged as a journalist, not as a hostage. I remain as committed as ever to fairness and accuracy _ to discovering the truth _ and so I will not engage in polemics. But let me be clear: I abhor all who kidnap and murder civilians, and my captors are clearly guilty of both crimes.""
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for the most part,i don`t like her ilk.....but i`ll apologize for being a little harsh on her(based on some erroneous media reporting)...
she was a fool...for wandering around dangerous areas of iraq...unguarded and unattended....potentially distracting our troops and putting them in danger...
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""Clearly, idealism, ambition, and a spirit of adventure are the motivating forces driving Carroll and other freelancers working abroad. And more than a few are encouraged by editors who suggest their freelancing may eventually lead to staff positions with a regular salary and usual benefits – the very things one expects in any decent job, whether an office or coal mine.
Carroll would have enjoyed none of the benefits enjoyed by staff writers in Iraq: No bullet-proof vests; no war-zone training; no armed guards. Forget about insurance of any kind. (The Christian Science Monitor, to be sure, has yet to comment publicly on these issues; however, it appears she was not treated like a typical freelancer.) Even so, she was on her own, living in what The New York Times described as a modest “threadbare” room — all for the love of journalism.
There’s a certain hypocrisy at play when one compares the media’s attitude toward freelancers like Carroll against the values it professes as a noble and vigilant watchdog of the public’s trust. Consider the mining accident at the Sago mine in West Virginia, which occurred just days before Carroll’s kidnapping. The mainstream media raised its collective voice in anger over even a hint of safety violations at the mine. Yet when it comes to journalists like Carroll, it tolerates and even encourages the same abuses it would gleefully excoriate in those who fall into its journalistic cross hairs.
The public hasn’t a clue about what’s going on. The average reader would never suspect Carroll’s freelance status by looking at her byline in The Christian Science Monitor or other publications for which she wrote. Most would assume she was part of the paper’s foreign staff."""
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love the media...just love `em..
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I agree cut her some slack. I'm sure being out with the people of
Iraq she has some feeling for them and all there suffering. But I too believe some those remarks she made were under extreme duress.
Iraq she has some feeling for them and all there suffering. But I too believe some those remarks she made were under extreme duress.
