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Castillo vs Corralles Round 10 VIDEO
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Watch the last left hand landed by Corrales before Weeks stepped in, Castillo was knocked into the ropes and they were the only thing keeping him up. If the standing 8 was in effect, by rule, he should have gotten one. Especially after the sh*t Corrales and Weeks pulled earlier in the round.
Like I said before, it probably wouldn't have mattered as Castillo was gone, but at least give him the chance.
The real issue here is whether or not the fight should have gotten to that point in the first place.
When Corrales spit out the mouthpiece after the 2nd kd, Weeks should have either disqualified him or made him fight without the mouthpiece untill the next lull in action. Instead he let the cheater cheat and gave him 15 extra seconds to recover.
Absolute bullsh*t
Like I said before, it probably wouldn't have mattered as Castillo was gone, but at least give him the chance.
The real issue here is whether or not the fight should have gotten to that point in the first place.
When Corrales spit out the mouthpiece after the 2nd kd, Weeks should have either disqualified him or made him fight without the mouthpiece untill the next lull in action. Instead he let the cheater cheat and gave him 15 extra seconds to recover.
Absolute bullsh*t
box you are a great handicapper but think you may be losing it a bit...diego was penalized a point for it.
how bout all the low blows corrales sustained? i think meeks could have handled the situation differently, but i see it as castillo was knocked into the ropes, but that they didn't hold him up castillo still had wobbly legs keeping him up...
either way chico showed he had as much heart as any fighter in recent years...actually he showed he has more heart than any other fighter in recent years...
ps-thanks for that awesome video clip, but the link for the entire round doesn't work right now.
how bout all the low blows corrales sustained? i think meeks could have handled the situation differently, but i see it as castillo was knocked into the ropes, but that they didn't hold him up castillo still had wobbly legs keeping him up...
either way chico showed he had as much heart as any fighter in recent years...actually he showed he has more heart than any other fighter in recent years...
ps-thanks for that awesome video clip, but the link for the entire round doesn't work right now.
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First you have to spit mouth piece 3 times on puropse to be dq'd or a point - at best and diego was hit at least 6 times on hip or below belt after first warning not counting before, and if you guys think castillo was not going to get hurt your blind his head was going side to side with eye almost back in head till the big shot that gave him a brain wash, they could of let it go no way would he of got off the ropes all he would of done was take 3-4 more shots at least wuth in next 15 seconand and then left 30 seconds left to pick his brain dead body off the floor for a reak ko, whats wring joey you get beat buy the call? If you think he would of got up and out you need to change booking your sport not saying that is what you are saying but seems like sour grapes to me,and cut was not from a head butt it was from a strong hook or almost hook inbetween hook and down the pipe some what from the side and clear clean punch and blood flew right after that punch.
Where am I bitching?
I was simply posting a link to a fight that everyone else has been bitching about.
I sat at -130 begging to write bets on Corralles and couldnt get them. The majority of my players that bet the fights are extremely sharp. Thats why the opinionated #'s. They were all on the dog as was I.
With all due respect, I do this for a living. I dont live and die by the fight. I book every sport.
Winning is as contageous as losing. It goes in waves. In the end, we get the money. Its the nature of the bizness.
No sour grapes here. Just aggravated I took the time to post the video.
not everyone hates you odessa, I find it flattering you take time out to post here and a few other places I frequent. in the end you might get enough money to stay in business, and that's fine. we both have the same goals just different ways of getting there.
That is what I was trying to figure out if your were pissed that it was stopped or you were asking what people thought, found it hard to believe you did not think he was out and out hard on feet, so was just rying to figure out, you know my grammer 101 class :mj07:
So i take it you do agree with the stop I think, you let me know what you though might ne easier that way.
Take care and amh i am far from someone who hates Joey and he knows that.Just did not understand if he was mad at the stop or if he thought it was fine to stop it. rither way great phone booth fight.
So i take it you do agree with the stop I think, you let me know what you though might ne easier that way.
Take care and amh i am far from someone who hates Joey and he knows that.Just did not understand if he was mad at the stop or if he thought it was fine to stop it. rither way great phone booth fight.
I you have to spit out the mouthpiece 3 times to get dq'd, then Weeks should have made Corrales fight without the mouthpiece untill the next lull in action, its that simple. If thats not in the rules it should be and probably will be very soon.
As far as the stoppage, it didn't matter as Castillo was done. I'm just saying that if the standing 8 count was in effect, Castillo deserved to get one.
As far as the stoppage, it didn't matter as Castillo was done. I'm just saying that if the standing 8 count was in effect, Castillo deserved to get one.
boxlocks,
i agree that if the ref thought that castillo was being held by the ropes, he should have got the standing 8...but i don't think (and apparently neither did the ref) that the ropes were holding up castillo....
also, it is not a rule for the ref to make corrales fight without a mouthpiece at this time....
kudos to Fletcher for some more clarification on that rule...
i know you and i disagree box on this issue...you think it is because i am a homer...maybe you are right...but i think the ref did an adequate job as corrales was penalized one point for spitting out the mouthpiece the second time.
i agree that if the ref thought that castillo was being held by the ropes, he should have got the standing 8...but i don't think (and apparently neither did the ref) that the ropes were holding up castillo....
also, it is not a rule for the ref to make corrales fight without a mouthpiece at this time....
kudos to Fletcher for some more clarification on that rule...
i know you and i disagree box on this issue...you think it is because i am a homer...maybe you are right...but i think the ref did an adequate job as corrales was penalized one point for spitting out the mouthpiece the second time.
I think the stoppage was certainly just. Naturally I didnt care for the mouthpiece incident,(no one who bet Castillo did) but Corralles had enough wits about him to do it.
I think there is no question the mouth peice spitting was an intentional trick that Corralles learned in his Frietas bout. Shady, but legal.
Just an observation I did make.
It appeared Weeks was more concerned with Castillo's health condition than he was w/ Corralles' at the mid point of RD 10. Justifiably so in hindsight b/c Castillo was hurt very badly. No telling if Week's had a different perspective on the bout, being so close to the fight. I have watched many fights live that were alot closer or one sided than watching on TV.
I do think if Weeks stopped the bout after the 2nd knockdown, we may have argued, but the stoppage could have been justified. Corralles' arms were at his waist and he didnt appear to be all there when asked to walk towards Weeks.
As far as Castillo taking a knee. I think IF he was of sound mind at the time maybe he would have. I dont think he was.
I have criticized so many guys for not taking a knee over the years. I dont think Castillo was capable of making a sensible decision at that point near the stoppage to even think about it. His only instinct was to fight back and only he knows if that thought remotely entered his mind.
(The only fighter I ever saw take a knee and have it kick him in the ass was Corely vs Cotto where an extra round wouldn;'t have hurt my wallet.)
One thing I will interested to see in the near future is if Weeks ends up officiating future Shaw/Goosen bouts. Maybe the second coming of Richard Steele in critics eyes. Goosen is now a major player with Toney being the 'talent' in a piss poor talent/big dollars heavyweight division.
I feel there was also some bias in the judging. No telling how the bout would have played out if Castillo took a knee and the bout somehow went 12.
Paul Smith, who has a history of being 'pro Arum, ' showed that again with Castillo up 3 pts. I was hard pressed to see either guy up 3 pts going into that Rd.
Moret was obviously partial to Corralles with his 3 pt card.
Van de Wiele , true to form with his even scoring, had the bout very close, 1 point appart, which I think was a decent score.
Anyway, the stoppage was just. I posted the video so the guys that didnt see it, or wanted to review it again for arguement's sake had a link.
I only hope that this beating didnt ruin either fighter. Both are exciting to watch.
I think there is no question the mouth peice spitting was an intentional trick that Corralles learned in his Frietas bout. Shady, but legal.
Just an observation I did make.
It appeared Weeks was more concerned with Castillo's health condition than he was w/ Corralles' at the mid point of RD 10. Justifiably so in hindsight b/c Castillo was hurt very badly. No telling if Week's had a different perspective on the bout, being so close to the fight. I have watched many fights live that were alot closer or one sided than watching on TV.
I do think if Weeks stopped the bout after the 2nd knockdown, we may have argued, but the stoppage could have been justified. Corralles' arms were at his waist and he didnt appear to be all there when asked to walk towards Weeks.
As far as Castillo taking a knee. I think IF he was of sound mind at the time maybe he would have. I dont think he was.
I have criticized so many guys for not taking a knee over the years. I dont think Castillo was capable of making a sensible decision at that point near the stoppage to even think about it. His only instinct was to fight back and only he knows if that thought remotely entered his mind.
(The only fighter I ever saw take a knee and have it kick him in the ass was Corely vs Cotto where an extra round wouldn;'t have hurt my wallet.)
One thing I will interested to see in the near future is if Weeks ends up officiating future Shaw/Goosen bouts. Maybe the second coming of Richard Steele in critics eyes. Goosen is now a major player with Toney being the 'talent' in a piss poor talent/big dollars heavyweight division.
I feel there was also some bias in the judging. No telling how the bout would have played out if Castillo took a knee and the bout somehow went 12.
Paul Smith, who has a history of being 'pro Arum, ' showed that again with Castillo up 3 pts. I was hard pressed to see either guy up 3 pts going into that Rd.
Moret was obviously partial to Corralles with his 3 pt card.
Van de Wiele , true to form with his even scoring, had the bout very close, 1 point appart, which I think was a decent score.
Anyway, the stoppage was just. I posted the video so the guys that didnt see it, or wanted to review it again for arguement's sake had a link.
I only hope that this beating didnt ruin either fighter. Both are exciting to watch.
the mp could of been spit out both time for a reason, if you watch before first knock it was handing side ways but will give him that he says it was knocked out but 2nd time he took it out and then got 5-6 also why ask why he lost a point then took almost 10 to put it back in after 9 count, smart fighter and smart corner. Like i said seen guys drop it 4-6 times but with reyas gloves no thumbes no way to take it out and put it back, hey he has the don king of white men as his trainer, it was all taught trust me, and diego has a weird mouth and has hard time getting fixed mp to stay in all with in rules he lost a fight where his mp cut through his chedk and they are fit some what like football , but must disagree diego got up both times with strong legs and clear head.
If he had a wobble and i have it taped and have now watched it 7 times it would of been stopped but no wobble not even close. On the other hand castillos eyes rolled back before head went straight back , before that it was going side to side likea bobble head and that is where brain gets hurt, it has fluid and moves inside of head, and weaks is a very good ref hell he let them fight diego got hit on hip and below at least 8 times as for steel he had a so so stop 15 years ago or less and mr olympic can't even write or speak now so i think stop was fair or close there.
If he had a wobble and i have it taped and have now watched it 7 times it would of been stopped but no wobble not even close. On the other hand castillos eyes rolled back before head went straight back , before that it was going side to side likea bobble head and that is where brain gets hurt, it has fluid and moves inside of head, and weaks is a very good ref hell he let them fight diego got hit on hip and below at least 8 times as for steel he had a so so stop 15 years ago or less and mr olympic can't even write or speak now so i think stop was fair or close there.
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I don't think Weeks should have stopped it after the second kd but he should have made Corrales fight after the 9 count, instead of giving him an extra 15 seconds to recover.
Corrales wasn't completely gone after the 2nd kd, but if he was forced to fight right after the 9 count, he would have been.
Eric, you get my e-mail?
Corrales wasn't completely gone after the 2nd kd, but if he was forced to fight right after the 9 count, he would have been.
Eric, you get my e-mail?
I also thought a 3 point card for corrales was unusual. a lot of those rounds were give and take with castillo finishing strong which didn't seem to matter to someone. it wasn't as blatant as gonzalez pitching a 6 round shutout thursday but still rased my eyebrows a bit.
hopefully trinidad v. wright sparks as much excitement as this fight did.
and I know you guys don't hate od, just making my observations. you guys rule.
hopefully trinidad v. wright sparks as much excitement as this fight did.
and I know you guys don't hate od, just making my observations. you guys rule.
I agree with Eric (Fletcher)...
Corrales is a very cognitive guy and outsmarted Castillo in the end which probably won him the fight as a result as Fletcher explained...
Corrales is also a gamer no matter what the contest may be. I know that first hand about him as you better bring your "A" game with you if ever play him in dominoes...He will show you no mercy in that game either...;-)
Corrales is a very cognitive guy and outsmarted Castillo in the end which probably won him the fight as a result as Fletcher explained...
Corrales is also a gamer no matter what the contest may be. I know that first hand about him as you better bring your "A" game with you if ever play him in dominoes...He will show you no mercy in that game either...;-)
can anybody cite me the rule that states that you d.q. a guy or take a point after 3 "spits"....i checked the nevada rules....i saw no such rule....
fletch...are you sure?....flipper...you seem sure...how `bout you?
the rule says it`s at the ref`s discretion....and my whole issue was with weeks...
i`ve never seen...or participated in any boxing match in which a guy got almost 20 seconds to recover after the first knockdown.....and almost 30 seconds to recover after the second....
not kosher,imo....and the whole fight turmed on weeks` handling of the situation....
in every fight i`ve seen,the ref rushes so to not disadvantage the fighter that EARNED....read that word,guys....EARNED the advantage....
weeks acted as though he was waiting for the bus....maybe that`s what he should have been doing...lol
here`s the link to the nevada rules...
let me reiterate...i don`t blame corrales...i blame weeks...
i`m not interested in arguing about it anymore..it`s just causing hard feelings....this one bugged me...big time...
it`s a fairness issue..........another referee issue...which in the u.s.,seems never ending....the worst refs in the world,without question....not a gambling issue,imo....box knows what i bet...and it wasn`t a side...
..but,i`ll check back to see if anyone can cite the rules...
mills lane...please get well soon....
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html
thanks...
fletch...are you sure?....flipper...you seem sure...how `bout you?
the rule says it`s at the ref`s discretion....and my whole issue was with weeks...
i`ve never seen...or participated in any boxing match in which a guy got almost 20 seconds to recover after the first knockdown.....and almost 30 seconds to recover after the second....
not kosher,imo....and the whole fight turmed on weeks` handling of the situation....
in every fight i`ve seen,the ref rushes so to not disadvantage the fighter that EARNED....read that word,guys....EARNED the advantage....
weeks acted as though he was waiting for the bus....maybe that`s what he should have been doing...lol
here`s the link to the nevada rules...
let me reiterate...i don`t blame corrales...i blame weeks...
i`m not interested in arguing about it anymore..it`s just causing hard feelings....this one bugged me...big time...
it`s a fairness issue..........another referee issue...which in the u.s.,seems never ending....the worst refs in the world,without question....not a gambling issue,imo....box knows what i bet...and it wasn`t a side...
..but,i`ll check back to see if anyone can cite the rules...
mills lane...please get well soon....
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html
thanks...
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lol i am not sure at all of the rule...i am going by fletcher's knowledge and that since the ref did penalize corrales, i thought that everything was done by the book...if the rule does say that spitting out the mouthpiece is a no-no and thus dq is mandatory, then i would say the ref made a mistake...
but i don't think the rule mandate's a dq under those circumstances...if nothing else, the boxing commission should sit down and address the issue for future bouts.
but i don't think the rule mandate's a dq under those circumstances...if nothing else, the boxing commission should sit down and address the issue for future bouts.
WBC rules...
WC-39
Mouthpiece. No boxer will be allowed to box at any time without a mouthpiece. Each boxer must have a spare mouthpiece in his corner.
Should a boxer lose his mouthpiece during the round, the referee will interrupt the contest and have the mouthpiece cleaned and replaced. Should the mouthpiece be lost during an exchange, the referee shall wait until the cessation of the action that caused the loss of the mouthpiece to stop the contest and order its replacement. In the event that the mouthpiece is intentionally expelled, the referee shall, at his discretion, penalize the offending boxer with a point deduction. The mouthpiece must be presented during weigh-ins for doctor?s supervision.
WC-34
Fouls. All fouls recognized by boxing authorities shall be penalized by warnings from the referee and point deduction(s), at the discretion of the referee, after two warnings. A list of common fouls is as follows:
25. Spitting the mouthpiece.
In other words
The WBC is not clear on when a fighter can be or should be disquaified, but NOWHERE does it say the referee cannot disqualify untill after a 3rd offense.
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WBO rules...
2. All contestants are required to wear a mouthpiece during competition. The round cannot begin without the mouthpiece. If the mouthpiece is dislodged during competition, the Referee will call time and replace the mouthpiece at the first opportune moment, without interfering with the immediate action. The Referee may deduct points if he feels the mouthpiece is being purposely spit out.
HOWEVER (and this is my favorite part)
5. If the referee feels that a boxer has conducted himself in an unsportsman-like manner he may stop the bout and disqualify the boxer.
Thank you very much
And just like the wbc rules, nowhere does it state that a boxer can't be disqualified untill he spits it out 3 times.
WC-39
Mouthpiece. No boxer will be allowed to box at any time without a mouthpiece. Each boxer must have a spare mouthpiece in his corner.
Should a boxer lose his mouthpiece during the round, the referee will interrupt the contest and have the mouthpiece cleaned and replaced. Should the mouthpiece be lost during an exchange, the referee shall wait until the cessation of the action that caused the loss of the mouthpiece to stop the contest and order its replacement. In the event that the mouthpiece is intentionally expelled, the referee shall, at his discretion, penalize the offending boxer with a point deduction. The mouthpiece must be presented during weigh-ins for doctor?s supervision.
WC-34
Fouls. All fouls recognized by boxing authorities shall be penalized by warnings from the referee and point deduction(s), at the discretion of the referee, after two warnings. A list of common fouls is as follows:
25. Spitting the mouthpiece.
In other words
The WBC is not clear on when a fighter can be or should be disquaified, but NOWHERE does it say the referee cannot disqualify untill after a 3rd offense.
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WBO rules...
2. All contestants are required to wear a mouthpiece during competition. The round cannot begin without the mouthpiece. If the mouthpiece is dislodged during competition, the Referee will call time and replace the mouthpiece at the first opportune moment, without interfering with the immediate action. The Referee may deduct points if he feels the mouthpiece is being purposely spit out.
HOWEVER (and this is my favorite part)
5. If the referee feels that a boxer has conducted himself in an unsportsman-like manner he may stop the bout and disqualify the boxer.
Thank you very much
And just like the wbc rules, nowhere does it state that a boxer can't be disqualified untill he spits it out 3 times.
BTW
BTW
The WBC needs to change the WC-39 rule before this sh*t starts happening every time a guy gets hurt.
BTW
The WBC needs to change the WC-39 rule before this sh*t starts happening every time a guy gets hurt.
Box,
That was sweet for you to do all that work, but now I am even more convinced that the ref did the right thing by deducting a point since the rules specifically stated that situation. Rule 2 specifically addresses the mouthpiece situation and Rule 5 specifically address unsportsman like conduct in which wasn't an issue at all...They are separate and Rule 5 had nothing to do with the fight...
2. All contestants are required to wear a mouthpiece during competition. The round cannot begin without the mouthpiece. If the mouthpiece is dislodged during competition, the Referee will call time and replace the mouthpiece at the first opportune moment, without interfering with the immediate action. The Referee may deduct points if he feels the mouthpiece is being purposely spit out.
It is as clear as crystal to me that the rules indicate if a mouth piece is purposely spit out, than point(s) shall be deducted...And that is what the ref did...He handled the situation perfectly...Kudos to him for knowing his job...
Rule #5 has nothing to do with the mouthpiece situation...It is a completely different issue that never came into play during the bout for either fighter...
That was sweet for you to do all that work, but now I am even more convinced that the ref did the right thing by deducting a point since the rules specifically stated that situation. Rule 2 specifically addresses the mouthpiece situation and Rule 5 specifically address unsportsman like conduct in which wasn't an issue at all...They are separate and Rule 5 had nothing to do with the fight...
2. All contestants are required to wear a mouthpiece during competition. The round cannot begin without the mouthpiece. If the mouthpiece is dislodged during competition, the Referee will call time and replace the mouthpiece at the first opportune moment, without interfering with the immediate action. The Referee may deduct points if he feels the mouthpiece is being purposely spit out.
It is as clear as crystal to me that the rules indicate if a mouth piece is purposely spit out, than point(s) shall be deducted...And that is what the ref did...He handled the situation perfectly...Kudos to him for knowing his job...
Rule #5 has nothing to do with the mouthpiece situation...It is a completely different issue that never came into play during the bout for either fighter...
