Cutting Vaction Short, Bush

djv

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I know I'm just pissed, sad and angry. And maybe more then anything else feel old and useless to help, other then giving a check. Dam I cant hardly watch it any more. Just makes you sick. I thought we were to have learned from Andrew.
You maybe right a Idiot.
 

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djv said:
I know I'm just pissed, sad and angry. And maybe more then anything else feel old and useless to help, other then giving a check. Dam I cant hardly watch it any more. Just makes you sick. I thought we were to have learned from Andrew.
You maybe right a Idiot.

get a job, contriubute towards the economy and donate some of your earnings....

you are not useless in any way

you retired too early...it is very evident from your attitude as it is encroaching on a definitive diagnoses of "bitter old man syndrome"

unfortunately this disease has run rampant the past 20 years or so
 

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DJV you are frustrated by what has happened to our country. You are old enough to remember it's greatness before they started stealing it from us bit by bit. This is a strong country. It is going through bad times now and a lot of little rich kids are afraid they are going to lose something. They will be singing a different tune pretty soon.
 

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Well after listing to Joe Scarborough I don't feel to stupid. Like he said they saw this killer coming 36 hours before it hit. And for 24 hours after it did hit. The politicians tried to act like ho hum. He was in Biloxi Miss and said when they arrived yesterday Wednesday noon. Not any relief help or anyone had arrived from any agencies to help. Joe said there starting to get there now. Thursday. He said somehow folks forgot about to many other cities. Joe's pissed. Said when you here the Governor and others say we were ready. Remember they were not. Aid arriving 2 or 3 days late is not being ready. Joe is a Republican thru and thru. So don't come with the liberal stuff.
 

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the only way they steal is through taxes and if memory serves me correct you were against tax cuts--and for Kerry who proposed 50 cent federal gas hike--I'm confused???
 

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Yes, even that right winger Joe Scarborough (who used to represent my district) is coming down on the Bush Admin for fumbling this one.

Bush is asking for people to be patient while they are literally dying.

What is so difficult about dropping MREs and water in? Essential medicines like Insulin? Answer: Not a whole hell of a lot.
 

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Yes, even that right winger Joe Scarborough (who used to represent my district) is coming down on the Bush Admin for fumbling this one.

Bush is asking for people to be patient while they are literally dying.

What is so difficult about dropping MREs and water in? Essential medicines like Insulin? Answer: Not a whole hell of a lot.

Pretty tough when the hilos are being shot at and cannot shoot back, would you pilot the hilo?
 

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ryson said:
Pretty tough when the hilos are being shot at and cannot shoot back, would you pilot the hilo?


Jesse says they should be able to operate regardless of the fact that they are being shot at.

Guess he would know right.

No helicoptor could lift his fat ass right now anyway.
 

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There may have been one in NO. But what about the other cities. Lets not forget there are another 3/4 cities other then N O that need help. Why was the military not order in at once. I do believe this was a disaster from the start. New conference should be shut down for all politicians there making fools out of them self.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
the only way they steal is through taxes and if memory serves me correct you were against tax cuts--and for Kerry who proposed 50 cent federal gas hike--I'm confused???

Kerry didn't 'propose' any such thing. He made a few comments supporting the idea back in 1994. In 2004, he flat out said he was against it. Flip-flop I guess, but when he made a few comments about it 11 years ago, gas was at 1.09, in 2004 it was like 2.20, so maybe that's why the flip-flop.

Whatever the case, this is what Bush's top economic adviser thinks about it:


ECONOMICS

Gas Tax Now!

First Principles

By N. Gregory Mankiw

Many members of Congress have been pushing for a cut in income taxes, but they've been unsure how to pay for it. Fortunately, I've figured out an answer: with a tax increase. Let's cut income taxes by 10% and finance it with a 50-cent-per-gallon hike in the gasoline tax.

Yes, I know, this may sound like one of those pantywaist ideas only a pointy-headed Cambridge academic can love. But hear me out: By marrying the tax-cutting logic of the Republican right with the environmental concerns of the Democratic left, this might be a package that works for both.

Any would-be tax cutter faces a basic problem: Taxes are at a historical high as a percentage of national income, and the government is running a budget surplus, but cutting taxes somehow seems fiscally irresponsible. The explanation is that the impending retirement of the baby boom, together with the existing commitments to Social Security and Medicare, make the federal government's long-term fiscal position tenuous at best. The era of big government, rather than being over, as President Clinton once claimed, is very much with us.

The debate over tax policy, therefore, needs to go beyond arguments about the level of taxation and consider the mix. Unless we get serious about shrinking the role of government--which neither political party seems willing to do right now--taxes are going to remain high for the foreseeable future. Yet not all taxes are created equal. Some dampen prosperity by adversely changing the incentives people face, while others do the opposite.

Supply-siders have long argued that income taxes reduce the incentive to work and save, and thus depress economic growth. About this, they are exactly right. In the past, however, some supply-siders pushed their arguments to ridiculous extremes--claiming, for instance, that tax cuts would generate so much growth that they would be self-financing. The experience of the Reagan years put this theory to rest, but it should not cast doubt on the more modest view that lower income tax rates would be good for the economy.

Gasoline taxes, by contrast, actually improve incentives in various ways. If you have ever been stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic, you have probably wished there were fewer cars on the road. A gasoline tax would help to accomplish this by encouraging people to car-pool, take public transportation, or live closer to work.

Another benefit of a rise in the gas tax would be a reduction in the size of vehicles. Whenever a person buys a large car or a sport-utility vehicle, he makes himself safer, but he puts his neighbors at risk. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a person driving a typical car is five times more likely to die if hit by a sport-utility vehicle than if hit by another car. A gas tax is an indirect way of making people pay when their massive vehicles impose risk on others, which in turn makes them take account of this risk when choosing whether to buy some monster urban-assault vehicle or go with a sensible compact.

Environmentalists should also favor a higher gasoline tax. The burning of fossil fuels such as gasoline is widely believed to be the cause of global warming. Experts disagree about how dangerous this threat really is, and most economists who have studied the subject believe global warming would not be nearly the economic catastrophe that some environmentalists claim. But there is no doubt that a tax on gasoline, or on fossil fuels more generally, would help cut such emissions.

A common fear about the gasoline tax is that it might fall disproportionately on the poor. Yet that is not necessarily the case. A 1991 study by MIT economist James Poterba called "Is the Gasoline Tax Regressive?" concluded that "low-expenditure households devote a smaller share of their budget to gasoline than do their counterparts in the middle of the expenditure distribution." Moreover, if Congress were to use a hike in the gas tax to pay for a cut in income taxes, there is nothing to stop it from cutting tax rates on lower incomes more than on higher incomes.

Cutting income taxes while increasing gasoline taxes would lead to more rapid economic growth, less traffic congestion, safer roads, and reduced risk of global warming--all without jeopardizing long-term fiscal solvency. This may be the closest thing to a free lunch that economics has to offer.
 
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