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Was Tressel intentionally trying to stuff the alumni's pockets at the end of the Ohio St/Cincinnati game?

Bill Snyder flat out knew the line. He couldn't have covered all those big spread games otherwise. Covered to boost alumni contributions.
 

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Jimmy Johnson and Lou Holtz made some very shady moves late in games and the ole ball coach was known to torture other teams alums by running it up just enough to cover spread.
 

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Know some guys pretty well who played D1 ball for some big schools. This issue came up from time to time during offseasons at parties or get togethers. Pretty much in one word or another they all made the same statements regarding this by implying that it was a hush hush situation around the players, but they always could tell when the Coach had alumni on his a** for a cover simply by his actions and emotions on the sideline. One guy even stated that a common phrase on the sideline and in the huddle was "coach needs this".......said an assistant alot of times would do nothing more than make that statement and it was like a silent code that they had to score some more or do everything possible to prevent a score.

Guys said it was always evident after a home game if Alumni was outside the locker room smiling ear to ear waiting for coach and slapping everyone high fives on their way out.

Sounds crazy, but really isn't. Best part about it is that in a nutshell they all said pretty much the same thing.

These coaches know the line, and yes there are many who could care less, but in high profile institutions with huge alumni offerings and contributions, a coach knows even without pressure or any kind of statements that a cover makes everyone twice as happy as a win and helps keep alumni on his side.
 

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College coaches who love to cover the spread

The Ohio State Buckeyes led 34-7 with just 1:14 left in their Week 3 game against the Cincinnati Bearcats and faced a fourth-and-24 on the Bearcats? 35-yard line.

Most bettors probably expected head coach Jim Tressel to bring on the punt team, or at least run the ball up the middle, as many coaches do late in a blowout game.

But it wasn?t just for the sake of sportsmanship they were hoping the Buckeyes would be satisfied with a 27-point win over a non-conference opponent. A large number of sharp bettors, expecting a letdown after Ohio State?s statement-making 24-7 win over the Texas Longhorns the week before, had grabbed the Bearcats between +29 ? and +28 ? leading up to game time.

The prospect of covering the spread hadn?t been in doubt up to this point ? the Buckeyes led just 13-7 at halftime ? but a field goal would mean a 30-point win and an OSU cover.

Much to their dismay, backup kicker Ryan Pretorius trotted on to the field and promptly split the uprights on a 52-yard field goal. The final score: Ohio State 37, Cincinnati 7. The Buckeyes covered by a point and a half.

It?s impossible to say whether or not Tressel knew what he was doing when he ordered Pretorius onto the field. But to many, the message was clear: for one reason or another, Tressel intentionally made an attempt to cover the spread.

As members of the NCAA, an athletic organization with more rules, sanctions and compliances than just about any other, college football coaches wouldn?t mention giving students money to buy a sandwich, let alone knowledge of a pointspread. The closest thing most journalists ever hear to a coach?s admission of checking the line is referring to his team as an ?underdog.?

But both sportsbooks and handicappers know - even if coaches don?t necessarily talk about the number - that most coaches are at least aware of the line.

?I remember (Florida State head coach) Bobby Bowden used walk into the locker room before they played a cupcake opponent and tell his players, ?OK, boys, we?re X-point favorites in this game,?? says Covers Expert Steve Merril. ?It gives a team motivation to play hard even when they?re a big favorite.?

That?s not the only reason coaches are interested in the spread. Their primary job is to build a program and win football games, but they also have the unenviable job of appeasing their program?s fan base and financial boosters. And if you don?t think boosters are betting, you?re kidding yourself.

That forces us to ask an important question: What situation gives coaches the best chance to intentionally cover the spread? Of course, it happens ?by mistake? all the time, when teams are underdogs or small to medium-sized favorites.

But it?s the big lines ? the spreads most public bettors wouldn?t touch with a 10-foot pole ? that provide coaches with the best opportunity to manipulate the score.

Oddsmakers rarely offer spreads higher than 40 points. When they do, it?s for games that pit the cream of the crop against the bottom of the barrel. They know the better team can conceivably win the game by 50 or 60 points if it wants to, but sportsmanship and disinterest often keep the margin of victory relatively reasonable.

But no pointspread is big enough to keep some coaches honest.

?There are definitely some coaches that we consider spread-beaters,?? says Simon Noble of Pinnaclesports.com. ?These include coaches at big time college programs that are usually ranked in the top 25 like Mack Brown of Texas, USC?s Pete Carroll, Louisville?s Bobby Petrino and Bob Stoops of Oklahoma.

?In games involving teams led by these coaches, the line generally reflects their preference to cover the spread.?

The problem is that these teams are often so good, and their opponents so bad, they can cover any spread if they have the incentive.

?I remember (former Kansas State head coach) Bill Snyder used to be famous for running up the score,? says Merril. ?He burned me a lot at first, but then I realized he was always going to cover if he had the opportunity. I remember one game where he put his first-stringers back in late in the game just to make sure the Wildcats covered the spread.?

Snyder, who went 7-1 against the spread as a favorite of 30 points or more in non-conference play from 1997-2002, may be the extreme example, but like-minded coaches undoubtedly follow his tactical blueprint. The perfect scenario is a spread of 30 points or more in a home game against a non-conference opponent.

?Non-conference opponents are always preferable, simply because there?s less chance an opponent will be able to enact revenge down the road,? says Merril, ?And teams are always afraid that getting blown out will affect their standing in the polls.?

The polls provide even more incentive for coaches to run up the score against overmatched opponents. Cruising to a 20-point win against a cupcake opponent might be good for a team?s karma, but voters can?t watch every game. So coaches have to show how good they are on the scoreboard with a lopsided win.

?Another thing to consider when teams score late in games to cover when the win is almost a certainty, is the BCS standings,? says Noble. ?While the point differential or margin of victory is no longer a factor to use in the computer rankings, it?s very difficult to ignore.?

The BCS standings, and consequently, the Harris and Coaches polls, play a big factor in who plays whom in January. In an era that?s seen as many as four undefeated teams in a single season, coaches need to make an impression on voters any way they can.

The uncontrollable nature of these games is a sportsbooks? worst nightmare, but for bettors, it can be money in the bank in the right situation. That is, if you?re don?t mind relying on a backup kicker to make a 52-yard field goal every now and then
 

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College coaches who love to cover the spread

The Ohio State Buckeyes led 34-7 with just 1:14 left in their Week 3 game against the Cincinnati Bearcats and faced a fourth-and-24 on the Bearcats? 35-yard line.

Most bettors probably expected head coach Jim Tressel to bring on the punt team, or at least run the ball up the middle, as many coaches do late in a blowout game.

But it wasn?t just for the sake of sportsmanship they were hoping the Buckeyes would be satisfied with a 27-point win over a non-conference opponent. A large number of sharp bettors, expecting a letdown after Ohio State?s statement-making 24-7 win over the Texas Longhorns the week before, had grabbed the Bearcats between +29 ? and +28 ? leading up to game time.

The prospect of covering the spread hadn?t been in doubt up to this point ? the Buckeyes led just 13-7 at halftime ? but a field goal would mean a 30-point win and an OSU cover.

Much to their dismay, backup kicker Ryan Pretorius trotted on to the field and promptly split the uprights on a 52-yard field goal. The final score: Ohio State 37, Cincinnati 7. The Buckeyes covered by a point and a half.

It?s impossible to say whether or not Tressel knew what he was doing when he ordered Pretorius onto the field. But to many, the message was clear: for one reason or another, Tressel intentionally made an attempt to cover the spread.

As members of the NCAA, an athletic organization with more rules, sanctions and compliances than just about any other, college football coaches wouldn?t mention giving students money to buy a sandwich, let alone knowledge of a pointspread. The closest thing most journalists ever hear to a coach?s admission of checking the line is referring to his team as an ?underdog.?

But both sportsbooks and handicappers know - even if coaches don?t necessarily talk about the number - that most coaches are at least aware of the line.

?I remember (Florida State head coach) Bobby Bowden used walk into the locker room before they played a cupcake opponent and tell his players, ?OK, boys, we?re X-point favorites in this game,?? says Covers Expert Steve Merril. ?It gives a team motivation to play hard even when they?re a big favorite.?

That?s not the only reason coaches are interested in the spread. Their primary job is to build a program and win football games, but they also have the unenviable job of appeasing their program?s fan base and financial boosters. And if you don?t think boosters are betting, you?re kidding yourself.

That forces us to ask an important question: What situation gives coaches the best chance to intentionally cover the spread? Of course, it happens ?by mistake? all the time, when teams are underdogs or small to medium-sized favorites.

But it?s the big lines ? the spreads most public bettors wouldn?t touch with a 10-foot pole ? that provide coaches with the best opportunity to manipulate the score.

Oddsmakers rarely offer spreads higher than 40 points. When they do, it?s for games that pit the cream of the crop against the bottom of the barrel. They know the better team can conceivably win the game by 50 or 60 points if it wants to, but sportsmanship and disinterest often keep the margin of victory relatively reasonable.

But no pointspread is big enough to keep some coaches honest.

?There are definitely some coaches that we consider spread-beaters,?? says Simon Noble of Pinnaclesports.com. ?These include coaches at big time college programs that are usually ranked in the top 25 like Mack Brown of Texas, USC?s Pete Carroll, Louisville?s Bobby Petrino and Bob Stoops of Oklahoma.

?In games involving teams led by these coaches, the line generally reflects their preference to cover the spread.?

The problem is that these teams are often so good, and their opponents so bad, they can cover any spread if they have the incentive.

?I remember (former Kansas State head coach) Bill Snyder used to be famous for running up the score,? says Merril. ?He burned me a lot at first, but then I realized he was always going to cover if he had the opportunity. I remember one game where he put his first-stringers back in late in the game just to make sure the Wildcats covered the spread.?

Snyder, who went 7-1 against the spread as a favorite of 30 points or more in non-conference play from 1997-2002, may be the extreme example, but like-minded coaches undoubtedly follow his tactical blueprint. The perfect scenario is a spread of 30 points or more in a home game against a non-conference opponent.

?Non-conference opponents are always preferable, simply because there?s less chance an opponent will be able to enact revenge down the road,? says Merril, ?And teams are always afraid that getting blown out will affect their standing in the polls.?

The polls provide even more incentive for coaches to run up the score against overmatched opponents. Cruising to a 20-point win against a cupcake opponent might be good for a team?s karma, but voters can?t watch every game. So coaches have to show how good they are on the scoreboard with a lopsided win.

?Another thing to consider when teams score late in games to cover when the win is almost a certainty, is the BCS standings,? says Noble. ?While the point differential or margin of victory is no longer a factor to use in the computer rankings, it?s very difficult to ignore.?

The BCS standings, and consequently, the Harris and Coaches polls, play a big factor in who plays whom in January. In an era that?s seen as many as four undefeated teams in a single season, coaches need to make an impression on voters any way they can.

The uncontrollable nature of these games is a sportsbooks? worst nightmare, but for bettors, it can be money in the bank in the right situation. That is, if you?re don?t mind relying on a backup kicker to make a 52-yard field goal every now and then

Great article. What is the source?
 

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Snyder, who went 7-1 against the spread as a favorite of 30 points or more in non-conference play from 1997-2002, may be the extreme example, but like-minded coaches undoubtedly follow his tactical blueprint. The perfect scenario is a spread of 30 points or more in a home game against a non-conference opponent.

So do we have records of other coaches in certain scenarios so that we know when they are most likely to cover??
 

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good coaches don't try to do it. but I'm sure the coaches are aware of it...
 

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absolutely some coaches do. they know alumni are betting.....
 

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good coaches don't try to do it. but I'm sure the coaches are aware of it...

Thats total Bull. Teams fighting for BCS rankings and bowl games will run up the score as much as possible and like the article references, If Alumni and friends need a cover ofcourse the coach is going to try and get that cover. Dont be naive.:shrug:
 

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Rich Rodriguez from WVA is slowing inching his way toward Bill Snyder territory.

This might be because he needs to run up the score for the BCS, but I dont think that is the ONLY reason.
 

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There are some coaches over the yrs that know what the line is in every game and others that don't. Their are some that love to go on the road and back door cover the # when the home teams fans are screaming for more point and the game is out of reach. What do you think all the crying about running up the score is about ? Players have friends that bet, don't tell me some of these players and coaches don't know what the # is.
 

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Good Article......

Good Article......

I have seen many games over the years that were obvious attempts by head coach to cover the spread. Yes, players and coaches all know the line...........you would be blind to miss it. When I played in the early 80's it was one of the first things we looked at in USA today. Players on my team gambled (although I know of no instances where they bet for or against our team).....although I'm sure it probably happened. Its a dirty secret the NCAA screams bloody murder about, but doesn't have a lot of teeth in their bite.

If it weren't for the lucrative TV contracts many of these schools simply couldn't keep up. Tell me why anyone (but the schools involved and their fans) would watch Virginia play North Carolina when the Baseball playoffs are on? Gamblers drive the market......the NCAA knows this and so do the Networks. That Lafayette/Florida Atlantiv held noones interest but the gamblers.

Anyone watch Shark last night? District Attorney in LA calling up his bookie and laying 5 dimes on a game when he knows the All-American QB is bout to be arrested. Pretty funny stuff.

Snyder made me a lot of money in his glory days.........the challenge is to guess when a Coach might have impetus to bring his program some extra money.

Kids have been "taken care of" in major and some non-major schools for years by boosters. We see scandal after scandal each year, but it breaks, and we move on. Boosters don't gamble? Yeah right!
 

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I would think Joe Pa knows what the number is. I seen him do it to Rutgers a few years back.

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I would think the West Va vs Syracuse game this past Saturday could be one. Syracuse down 41-14 with a couple minutes to go on West Va 17 and kick a FG instead of trying to put it in the end zone like any other team would do. Since the spread was like 26-27 why not cover the spread with a FG huh?
 

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The fat man heading the Vols is out to cover his ass and keep his job

pretty sure he's aware of the line before/during/after a game
 
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