double revenge game of the year$$$$

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so, raymond, having been a lurker on this board for some time,
sometime poster, a bad gambler,

just wondering....once thinking that you always made money...

is this guy lowell got serious complaints?
or are they unfounded?

(oh, yea, i'll admit my bias: liked you much better before the tout service. if you were that damn good, why would you NEED to sell picks?....cuz i know if i was that good, the last thing i'd do is sell, just wouldn't want the hassle of guys like me or lowell....)
 

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let me just add, ray,
that even though it may seem like i'm just an as8hole basher,
that's not really what i'm trying to be.

if the service is as down as much as lowell says,
how can you even come on the board with 20 percent plays...

that's my question.
 

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I am not trying to bash Raymond,rather to answer your question patternseeker:The answer is that Raymonds documented record at bestbettor,under "professional" heading was mysteriously removed from the permanent record!At that time he was down around 30,000 make believe bucks,inspite of having changed names that he was documenting under at least two or three times and therefore restarting at even,he lost each time.I know this for a fact 'cause I followed he and Fletchers posted records on Bestbettor each day for the short time they posted plays there.One such name was "Raymonds Outlaw Sports".Another just Raymond.They all were pulled from the permanent record,one can only guess to keep people from seeing the bad results.How'd you make your record on bestbettor.com disappear Raymond?
 

WHY ASK WHY?

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Missed th first half of this movie but am eagerly

Missed th first half of this movie but am eagerly

waiting on th conclusion.....thought truth was valued here more than other places so...th ball's in someone's court...hope this one
will not be locked.....lots of us want to hear th truth...
I still believe in Jacks integrity hope he will let this one play out.

will stay tuned....

WHY?
 

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Subject heading was ===> double revenge game of the year.

Plus, Raymond later said ===> you best buy it back.

Enough to convince me. Then again, I am not the one paying for Ray's service, so I guess it's easy for me to follow what he posts here in the forum.
 

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my contention was nothing was posted on his site to make big play on minn.at the time we had 4 or 5% on other side.as of today the four cappers are th.-85.79.ray-216.50.sc-.033 rog plus6.30.end of story.
 

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I am not trying to bash Raymond,rather to answer your question patternseeker:The answer is that Raymonds documented record at bestbettor,under "professional" heading was mysteriously removed from the permanent record!At that time he was down around 30,000 make believe bucks,inspite of having changed names that he was documenting under at least two or three times and therefore restarting at even,he lost each time.I know this for a fact 'cause I followed he and Fletchers posted records on Bestbettor each day for the short time they posted plays there.One such name was "Raymonds Outlaw Sports".Another just Raymond.They all were pulled from the permanent record,one can only guess to keep people from seeing the bad results.

What's this say about bestbettor?
 

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"RAYMOND'S" record was removed ONE time under the ONE name ONLY. My bad but I can't recover it. It was a LONG time ago and I think I did it by ray's request when he told me he was finished being a service.

the ONLY thing i do at bestbettor now is spend hours watching the live lines for my personal use. the site is kept up and run by IE and several programmers.

it says nothing about bestbettor, scoop.

i'll never remove anything else from there ever again, that's for sure. like i said, it was my bad. i had nothing to gain by removing it. bad judgement on my part.
 

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maybe this will shed some light for those who insist on buying the svcs.

A very high % of these svcs are ONLY doing it for the extra income. this is a fine example of that. ray obviously loved the game as he said he put 5 dimes on it. his svc already had some on the other side. he rec'd late info. what do you think was most important? his 5 dimes or the people who paid for the picks? appears that is obvious.

although some svcs seem to be legit (fletcher, hoops among others). I think others are there for the extra dough and that is it.

this is just an outsiders opinion based on what I have read here at MJ's as I have never paid for a svc and never will.
 
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