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..I mean they rolled okc last year....
OKC? The Spurs are not the same class as OKC was last year, they are better!! Period, end of story!! OKC went into a funk last year, Perkins and Harden were no shows, Durant and Westbrook still got points but the other 3 in the lineup did diddly. Spurs have more than one person on this team that can score, and contributors are off the bench and some came thru in the clutch, just like Haslem did for one game vs the Pacers after a Heat loss. Parker, Ginobli, Green, Duncan, Splitter, the crazy red head, etc., all can put up crazy numbers just like the Heat players can. Thus far in the post-season Bosh has been a big choke, he's gimp, the bird is lost out there because the whistle has been watching him like a hawk, Allen and Cole have been very quiet and will continue to be. So how the heck is LeBron going to do this on his own? HE CAN'T!! This is going to end badly for the Heat, just like it did vs the Mavs.

Spurs undervalued and books are loving it!!

Ok, time to get off my soap box now!

:soapbox: Spurs & OKC mentioned in the same breath!! WOW!! Not the same!! Vet club compared to a young club that average 24.5 years of age last year?

GO SPURS!
 

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I'm not even trying to analyze this stuff anymore, haha. I really don't understand how teams can play so bad, then so good the next game. That was actually a fun game to watch, and seemed like it would be close most of the way. The Heat's big players really stepped up and took control. They played fantastic. Wade looked like he did five years ago. Lebron showed why he is the best in the world. Bosh was on a defensive mission. They scrambled after loose balls and wanted it way more.

Just a weird series though, with the last three blow-outs. Was hoping for a good close game for once. Heat have control of the series now, and seems like it could go either way at this point. If we can stick to the every other game trend, the Spurs may come out victorious, but I don't think that will hold. Still have enjoyed watching these up and coming stars for the Spurs - Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green have been super fun to watch.
 

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so that prediction of Spurs in 6////you're not feeling that so much anymore?

Amazing the turnaround by the heat. it's a classic underachiever who only steps up when HE HAS TO...and boy did they step up.....think teh Spurs win game 5, the heat game 6 and then a dogfight in game 7, with the Heat winning it at home...much to my disappointment....much prefer to see an organization like the Spurs get the ring..CLass act Popovich....
 

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so that prediction of Spurs in 6////you're not feeling that so much anymore?

Amazing the turnaround by the heat. it's a classic underachiever who only steps up when HE HAS TO...and boy did they step up.....think teh Spurs win game 5, the heat game 6 and then a dogfight in game 7, with the Heat winning it at home...much to my disappointment....much prefer to see an organization like the Spurs get the ring..CLass act Popovich....

Well, I'm still hoping! Of the most likely results left, mathematically they are the following: Miami in 6, Spurs in 6, Miami in 7. Sooooo.... I hope it is the second one :)

Just crazy how Lebron can have three of the worst games of his career, and then turn around and look like he did in game 5. Same with Wade. Just have a hard time understanding the difference in level of aggressiveness that they show from game to game. As a fan, I am definitely cheering for the Spurs. I used to really dislike this team - boring, fundamental, no thrills, but as I started to understand the game more and more, I understand what a great coach Pop is, and their execution is so fun to watch. I like going for the underdog, as well, and this may be the last chance for Duncan to get to this spot - think it would be cool for him to go out with a ring. The nice thing is that win or lose, I can still count my season a success, and although I've had a bad playoff run, it has been a fun year. I'm starting a blog this summer as soon as the finals are over, and I will be posting lots of thoughts on the NBA draft, off-season changes, and then into the season.


The real question is, who am I going to cheer for next year? Nuggets are out with the firing of Karl (although after listening to local Denver talk radio, I get it a little bit more, but still...), can't cheer for the Nets anymore with Kidd and possibly Lawrence Frank on the bench - ooooh, so my alliances are going to shift a lot this off-season, haha. If only Mark Jackson wasn't such a god-pusher (not that there's anything wrong with God, but just don't see how it belongs in sports), I could move the Warriors to the top. Well, anyway, this is just my morning rant - I realize it is completely useless information.

I am also developing a new database spreadsheet for next season as well, and hoping to add in a lot of half-time angles and more depth for side and totals.

Anyway, I have enjoyed our numerous interactions on the forum this season and your insights.

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While advanced stats will always remain empirical in nature, of all the different ways used to evaluate players, I really like the one that DanielM developed. For more on his equations go here. Pretty interesting list.

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Go Danny... think it's cool cause he was *played* with Lebron in Cleveland, was cut by that team and cut by Spurs twice, only to be where he is now.

Danny Green needs 4 more made threes to break Ray Allen's NBAFinals record of 22.
 

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"The San Antonio Spurs have never trailed in an NBA Finals series.

With the Finals tied, the Spurs are 10-0 and have won by an average of 11.1 points per game. Not the New York Knicks in 1999, New Jersey Nets in 2003, Detroit Pistons in 2005, Cleveland Cavaliers in 2007 or Miami Heat this year have cracked that code."

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I really love this tweet, and this is totally how I feel as well! To say that either team has a clear advantage at this point would be ignoring the last four games. Definitely a great series, exactly how a finals should play out.

Henry Abbott ‏@TrueHoop

"Nobody on the planet -- not LeBron, not Pop, not Spo, not Timmy D, not Vegas -- knows who's going to win these Finals. That's fantastic"
 

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I don't think east is anygood. Just the heat/pacers. Rest is bad.

But I cannot see anyteam from the west besides spurs hanging with miami....I mean they rolled okc last year....I don't know I'm sure anyteam could, I just don't think they would....

I think spurs are great

OKC? The Spurs are not the same class as OKC was last year, they are better!! Period, end of story!!


:soapbox: Spurs & OKC mentioned in the same breath!! WOW!! Not the same!! Vet club compared to a youngthat average 24.5 years of age last year?

GO SPURS!


Wildbill, did you read my post.

I said the spurs are great and are the only team that could hang with miami. I then gave an example and said "miami rolled OKC last year".


My whole post was in regards to the spurs and their ability to beat or hang with miami, and how no other team can, thus thinking that sanantonio is in a different class then the thunder


Atleast I think that's what I said. I know that's what I wanted to say.
 
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Wildbill, did you read my post.

I said the spurs are great and are the only team that could hang with miami. I then gave an example and said "miami rolled OKC last year".


My whole post was in regards to the spurs and their ability to beat or hang with miami, and how no other team can, thus thinking that sanantonio is in a different class then the thunder


Atleast I think that's what I said. I know that's what I wanted to say.
It's all good, Addict!! :)

Spurs deserved the whooping after they faded after the 1st 7 mins of Game 4. Parkers' gonna have to nut it up and play thru the anguish of the hammy tweakin and someone else is going to have to step it up, like Green or Neal. I'm just gonna watch the last 3 games, hoping Spurs come thru with 2 wins.

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It's all good, Addict!! :)

Spurs deserved the whooping after they faded after the 1st 7 mins of Game 4. Parkers' gonna have to nut it up and play thru the anguish of the hammy tweakin and someone else is going to have to step it up, like Green or Neal. I'm just gonna watch the last 3 games, hoping Spurs come thru with 2 wins.

:popcorn2

Spurs have to have this game.

I believe the heat can lose game 5 and still win series

I don't believe the spurs can.


Gl bill
 

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Nice game for Ginobili to pick to score his season high. Spoelstra on what went wrong: "Everything. Come on, they just absolutely outplayed us." No need to talk about how the Heat sucked, because they didn?t. They actually played pretty good. These are the best two teams in the world. The Spurs played awesome.

I said this during the Warriors series, but again - I think there is a misperception that this Spurs team is old and washed up. For some perspective - the average age on the Spur's starting line-up is younger than the Heat's starting line-up, and they are not even in the top five of the league's oldest teams, while the Heat are #2. The Heat have ten players over the age of 30, the Spurs have six. But, you never hear anyone talk about the Heat being "old". Who?s running on fumes? LeBron's first rebound came with 7:33 left in third quarter. Well, really I think at this point both teams are tired, but the Spurs may be pushing through it a bit better, with their depth and pacing.

History doesn?t determine what is going to happen in any given game, but it can certainly lend some insight to the pressure that the team trailing in a series faces. In NBA history, teams leading a series 3-2 are 141-111 SU in game 6 (56%), and 216-36 (85.7%) for the series. If they are visitors in game six, they are 59-32 SU (64.8%) and 68-23 for the series (74.7%). In the finals, teams leading a series 3-2 are 25-17 SU in game 6 (59.5%) and 35-7 for the series (83.3%). If they are the visiting team in game 6 in the finals, they are 10-6 SU (62.5%) and 11-5 for the series (68.8%). Although the sample size is very small, since the finals went to the 2-3-2 format, there have been eight times when the visiting team was leading 3-2, and they won 5 out of 8 of these contests in game six.

When the Spurs are leading a series 3-2, they are 8-1 SU (+9.7) and 6-3 ATS in close out games since the 2003 playoffs, including 6-0 SU (+13.0) on the road. Teams playing with a 3-2 series lead are 36-20 SU and 33-22 ATS and 23-31-1 O/U in game six over the last ten playoff seasons. As a road dog these teams are 19-16 SU and 20-15 ATS.

For Miami to win this series, they need to have over a 70% chance of winning both games, according to mathematical probability. That seems like fairly steep odds at this point, given each game outcome so far. The Spurs have now played in 27 Finals games and they still have never trailed in a finals series.

If the Spurs win this series, will Danny Green be the MVP? That might be the ?worst? MVP in finals history. Interesting to note, Green has scored 90 points so far in the finals, which is more points than he scored in the 2010-2011 season combined! His 25 three pointers is a finals record, and he is shooting 65.8% from downtown. Whoa, boy!

Pop with some poetical magic: "You just play Game 6. There's no magic to it. It's basketball. It's not that complicated. Both teams will compete their fannies off."

Playing home favorites coming off a loss is now 18-8 ATS this post-season. Home favorites coming off a loss are 14-3 SU and 7-7-3 ATS in finals games over the last ten seasons.

The Spurs put together a great game 6. Biggest takeaway from this game... the Heat looked frustrated. The mental will at this point might be the most important thing. Which team will come out with more determination in Game 6?
 

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A good article about how luck and lots of little things factor into who wins these games. This has been a great finals series, and no matter who wins, I think these are the two teams that deserve to battle. Both really great.
 

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Good luck Bill - I hope so!

Two out of three of the reffing crew are the same as in Game 2 - Joey Crawford and Ken Mauer. Definitely history there between Crawford and the Spurs, but I thought the refs called a pretty fair game in Game 2. The head ref, Callahan, has a slight favoritism towards road dogs, and was also a ref in Game 4 when the Heat won in Miami.

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A couple more interesting historical facts:

Teams that went WLWLW playing in game six in the NBA playoffs in all rounds have a series record of 37-4 (90.2%), and a finals series record of 11-1 (91.7%). In game six, in all nba playoff rounds these teams are 23-18 (56.1%) and 6-6 (50%) in the finals round game six.

The Spurs as a franchise have a 12-1 series record when leading playoffs 3-2 (winning the last 11 - last time they lost was in 1979 to the Bullets), and 10-3 Game 6 record (with four game win streak). The Heat have a 2-3 playoff series record when trailing 3-2

Since the start of the ECF this season, the Heat have posted eleven consecutive best-of-7 playoff games without a repeated outcome. In all sports playoff series history, the record for best-of-7 games without a repeated outcome is twelve, set by the NHL Tampa Bay Lighting in the 2004 Semifinals.
 

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Good luck Bill - I hope so!

Two out of three of the reffing crew are the same as in Game 2 - Joey Crawford and Ken Mauer. Definitely history there between Crawford and the Spurs, but I thought the refs called a pretty fair game in Game 2. The head ref, Callahan, has a slight favoritism towards road dogs, and was also a ref in Game 4 when the Heat won in Miami.

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Yeah, I saw who was in stripes tonight and thought what you said, HH!!

Heat 12-0 off a loss, have not lost 2 straight since Feb, Spurs are 14-2 in game 6 situations, Heat 0-7 off 3 straight road games!!

I'd tend to favor the team with the better shooting % overall in this series!!

GO SPURS!! LOL

GL 2night, HH!! :toast:
 

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I actually really like Crawford on the whistle. He is entertaining to me, although I find myself watching him sometimes too much... He's got the best little side-to-side shuffle.

Interesting report on line movement for the game, with the action pretty much split.
 

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The refs need to let the game play out and let the players decide who wins not them--but I think Miami wins tonite--TV needs another game for the $$
 
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