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Ian

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LOOKS LIKE DIDDLY SQUAT
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Just had this email

Thank you for your email. Sportingbet.com has not taken over
Firststake.com. Firststake.com has gone into liquidation and the only
information we have available to us is the customers username and balance as
of the 07/02/01.

Regrettably we are unable to transfer or void any open bets that were placed
in Firststake accounts as all software access has been denied, therefore
open bet stakes will not be included in the transfer. For further
information with regards to open bets please email Firststakes receivers on
info@firststake.com who should be able to offer more detailed information.
 

FatBoy

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Ian, this doesn't sound good. Strange though, as the customer service rep at SB took all my info and told me my account would be credited within 24hrs.
 

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To avoid the flak they probably are not pointing out that fact, but Sportingbet will only be crediting balances on accounts from
F(******) S(hafters)
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[This message has been edited by Ian (edited 02-08-2001).]
 

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looks like the Aussies take the lead in the most secure environment for bookmakers' stakes!

FWIW, if any of you find a bookmaker that says they will happily run Seniors & Ladies Tour events IF they had the expertise - I've teamed up with a couple of other former odds compilers and we will offer it through our consultancy biz for books.
 

Ian

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Interesting post on a newsgroup over here
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Disposal of assets (ie the customer list) while insolvent is illegal and
sportingbet have already made clear they won't be paying the company or it's
receivers for the asset. By saying they will pick up the deposit list they
appear to be offering preferential status to some creditors (ie punters).

Unless there are no other liabilities (unlikely) my guess is that
sportingbet, well aware of this, will announce a "regret" notice shortly.

By that time all of Firststake's customers will have signed up to
sportingbet in hope and anticipation and the heat will be taken off the
Firststake directors.
 

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The latest report from The Racing Post with the pending bets info in bold ...

Online woe: Bookmaker Firststake collapses, but rescue plan saves punters

By: Tony Smurthwaite


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internet bookmaker firststake.com collapsed yesterday owing punters more than ?217,000?then announced that a rival online bookmaker would honour account balances.
After two days of mounting frustration for its clients, a statement was issued confirming financial difficulties had forced parent company Firststake plc into administrative receivership.
Yet confusion was spreading last night when it emerged that First UK Racing?a fellow subsidiary of Bristol-based Firststake plc?carried on trading normally with 12 betting shops.
In a statement, Firststake said: ?Dear customer, we are sorry to inform you that owing to financial difficulties the firststake.com website is no longer active and your account with us is now closed.
?We are, however, extremely pleased to inform you that we have negotiated an exclusive deal with sportingbet.com (UK) plc, who are willing to honour your funds on deposit.?
The surprise development, welcomed by punters, was confirmed by Mark Blandford, founder of offshore firm sportingbet.com as he spoke of a no-cash agreement with Firststake brokered on Tuesday.
?Credit to the Racing Post here,? said Blandford. ?It was when I read of Firststake?s problems in the paper on Tuesday that I phoned them and started the process of seeing if anything could be done to resuscitate the business.
?It looked fairly terminal and the obvious thing, it seemed to me, as we couldn?t get contractually involved because of the liquidation, was to take on the customer balances.?
Any optimism for Firststake?s 5,000 account holders rests on their deposit money now looking safe. However, it was tempered by news that Sportingbet would not take over ante-post bets because of a ?contractual legal minefield?, according to Blandford.
This latter news was notwell received last night by punters holding ante-post vouchers, whose fate now looks in the hands of receivers Kingston Smith & Partners of London.
After a day of non-stop phone calls and e-mails to the Racing Post from worried punters, Firststake?s statement made no reference as to whether ante-post bets may be honoured by the betting-shop arm.
One punter, who stands to collect ?3,500 in ante-post bets if Manchester City are relegated and Chesterfield win Division Three, said last night: ?It?s disgraceful that ante-post bets will not also be honoured by Sportingbet.
?When a big bookmaker buys a small bookmaker, all ante-post bets are passed over.?
It is believed that cash shortages sparked the Firststake collapse, with the plug pulled when chairman Karim Ghaidan and managing director Simon Grieve realised trading liabilities could not be met.
The first proper signs that the OFEX-quoted business was sinking came on Tuesday when service providers were told the firm was in trouble. Then, on Wednesday,the website could not be accessed.
Following the collapse last month of betachance.com, the demise of the larger and more-established firststake.com site will come as a blow to the internet betting industry.
Blandford said: ?The UK regulatory model hasutterly failed.?
He added: ?We are the most heavily regulated bookmaker in the world. The Alderney Gaming Commission would not allow us to trade unless we had cash funds to meet customer liabilities in the ratio of 1.25:1, or ?1.25m in cash for every ?1m in customer accounts.?
He concluded: ?We are offering firststake.com customers a no-loss, risk-free solution despite the fact that the firm is no longer trading.?
Last night Sportingbet?s shares, recently launched on the AIM market, closed up 18p at 135.5p.

Step by step guide for worried punters

PUNTERS should log on to the www.sportingbet.com website and register as a new account holder.
The next step is to contact sportingbet?s customer services department on freefone 0800 825030, 01481 825030, or via admin@sportingbet.com.
Punters should have to hand their firststake.com username and new sportingbet.com account details. The previous deposit balance at firststake.com will then be transferred to sportingbet.com.
Those wishing to withdraw funds will only be able to do so after placing a minimum bet of ?20 on their new sportingbet account. Withdrawal requests will only be available after February 19.
 

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This firststake thing is ridiculous. I had a bet on the bristol city game which was a winner. Sporting bet say they will honour balances from the close of business on the 7 th of february. what does that mean? when is the close of business for an online bookmaker. as my football bet was completed on the night of the 7th, will this be in my balance or what?
has anyone had their account transfered to sporting bet yet????? what happens, how does it come up on your sporting bet account?
i have checked mine but still nothing.
I have open golf bets aswell which i assume i wont see again. This totally bites. i hope that something will be done to sort out open bets. i mean some poor guy(Man city and Chesterfield) could lose out on ?3,500 through no fault of his own.
All because some idiot financial director wanted firststake to sponsor loads of useless events and piss away loads of money.
I bet he aint losing anything out of this.

infity bugger
 

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The news doesn't get any better
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This is from today's Racing Post:

Refund: Ante-post backers with firststake set to suffer after business collapses

By: Tony Smurthwaite


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PUNTERS holding ante-post bets with internet bookmaker firststake.com appear unlikely to recover either stakes or winnings after the business collapsed on Thursday, writes Tony Smurthwaite.
Indications yesterday in the wake of the company?s troubles arethat liquidation is the most likely course of action, leaving punters at the bottom of the list of creditors.
Existing balances in 5,000 firststake
accounts totalling about ?217,000 have been saved after the intervention of
another internet bookmaker,sportingbet.com. For most people, this just amounts to getting their own money back as the cash had been lodged by punters.
However, the fact that ante-post bets? already deducted from balances?were not included in this agreement has caused great resentment among many firststake.com punters.
Anger is likely to mount after receivers for Firststake plc said they had nothing to do with problems at firststake.com. ?We?re perceived to be in the loop, but we?re not,? said Kingston Smith & Partners, the London-based administrative receivers brought in on Thursday.
A spokesman for the firm was at pains to stress the separation of the holding company (the plc) from the dot.com business, and said creditors such as ante-post punters would have to approach the company?s directors.
?As receivers of the plc, we have no executive control over the dot.com business,? the spokesman said. ?That?s difficult for some to understand, but the net effect of the collapse is that it is down to the creditors and the directors as to what happens next, and whether there is a move to liquidate the dot.com company.?
The spokesman said that First UK Racing, the 12-shop bookmaking subsidiary that is solvent, is ?in the control of its management and able to trade on as a separate
entity?.
He added: ?I don?t think there is anything untoward in the structure of Firststake plc, it?s just normal practice.?
Though unlikely ever to be quantified, the value of ante-post bets is thought to run to at least five figures.
Yesterday afternoon, sportingbet
announced that it will also honour the
accounts of telephone-betting punters who transferred to firststake.com?s books from Multi-Sports bookmakers in a deal last
November.
Peter Higgins, business development
director with sportingbet.com, who brokered the initial deal,
said: ?We?ll be honouring the accounts of Multi-Sports
customers who opened an
account through its arrangement with firststake.com.?
Creditors of firststake.com have been advised to send a written notice of monies owed to Kingston Smith & Partners (re Firststake), Devonshire House, 60, Goswell Road,
London, EC1M 7AD.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Sportingbet account was credited this morning (I assume)from 1st Stake.While I do not know exact amounts at each prior to ordeal I have general idea.The only way I figure amount transfered could be correct is
A: All pending wagers were written off as losses.
B.They they gave me a 1 to 1 exchange from lb$(amercan symbol for pounds
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to U.S. dollars,hopefully in error.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Received email from SB acknowledging their error and they have credited correct amount.
While I don't care for their lines I must admit I have never found them lacking in service.
 
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