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lucas maybe you cant read i am not talking about talent i am talking about the big xii being better than the pac 10 period
let me ask you a question if they poll 10000 people about which conference is better who do they vote; i would say 85-90% say te big xII and again that is all the evidence i need; read my words I WORK FOR A LIVING SO I DONT HAVE TIME TO LOOK UP USELESS FACTS CAN YOU PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS
 

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Since 1990 USC has played the #1 SOS in the country. No need for USC to change conferences. 2 years ago USC had the #1 SOS in the country. I do wish there was a playoff system in college football and I do wish that the conferences could organize OOC play better. For example how they do it in hoops. Pac 10 play SEC OOC and Big 10 vs Big 12 OOC and switch it off every 2-3 years. Would be very fun and exciting.

Isn't the Pac 10 12-2 in their last 12 games against the SEC???? :)
 

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lucas maybe you cant read i am not talking about talent i am talking about the big xii being better than the pac 10 period

Sure you were. :banghead: That is why you typed I AGREE and inside this thread. MC posted about Beano Cook and Beano Cook was talking about TALENT not STRENGTH of conferences. Maybe you could not read and comprehend that and you indeed were talking about strengths of conference. But then why would you say I AGREE. I never have understood you or your arguments.

let me ask you a question if they poll 10000 people about which conference is better who do they vote; i would say 85-90% say te big xII and again that is all the evidence i need; read my words I WORK FOR A LIVING SO I DONT HAVE TIME TO LOOK UP USELESS FACTS CAN YOU PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS

First and foremost, I care about my opinion and my opinion is.....

Last year the Big 12 was the 5th best conference. This upcoming year I "predict" the Big 12 to finish somewhere between #3-#5 behind the ACC and SEC. But "predicting" conference strengths is very difficult. Much easier to predict conference strength after the season.

Now if they polled 1000 people like YOU, who have an opinion but no substance behind it, then you are prob. right and 90% would say the Big 12. I never asked you to look up each and every player. That is pointless. I asked you to tell me why you think the Pac 10 is the 5th most "talented" conference behind the Big 10 etc. nut you cannot tell me why. Therefore I come up with conclusion that you have NO SUBSTANCE behind your opinions.

My name is Scott, not Lucas. I think anybody with a brain could figure out my name is Scott with a screen name SCOTT4USC. If calling me Lucas makes you happy then continue on with your immaturity. :rolleyes:
 

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the substance behind it is 15 year of watching and gambling on college football; i will take that over your worthless opion anyday :142lmao:
 

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Last year the Big 12 was the 5th best conference.

WTF are you talking about? Show me some substance to support that. How can 3 big 12 teams finish in the top 15 in the rankings and 8 of the 12 teams made it to bowls, including 2 BCS bowls.

You are foaming in the mouth Lucas/Scott/Mansa
 

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Originally Posted by Scott4USC
Last year the Big 12 was the 5th best conference.


WTF are you talking about? Show me some substance to support that. How can 3 big 12 teams finish in the top 15 in the rankings and 8 of the 12 teams made it to bowls, including 2 BCS bowls.

You are foaming in the mouth Lucas/Scott/Mansa

First off, here are my top 5 conf. rankings of last year. Remember, a conf. is from top to bottom.

ACC, SEC, Pac 10, Big 10, and Big 12.

75% of the Big 12 conference last year finished in the bottom half of the nation in total defense and 5 of those teams are in the bottom 25%. Yep that conf. has some serious talent. Might explain their poor Bowl Record last year.

#1, #2 and #3 Big 12 teams in the conference lost their bowl games!!!

Jeff Sagarin NCAA football ratings

He rates is CONFERENCE RANKINGS in 2 different ways.

There are two group ratings, the "central mean" and the "simple average"
The "central mean" gives the most weight to the middle team(s) in the group and progressively less weight to teams as you go away from the middle in either direction, up or down. This tends to smooth out the effect of anomalous teams that are rated much higher and lower than the middle team(s) in the group. The "simple average" ("arithmetic mean") weights each team equally no matter where they are relative to the middle.

"central mean"

#1 ACC
#2 SEC
#3 Big 10
#4 Pac 10
#5 Big 12

SIMPLE AVERAGE

#1 ACC
#2 SEC
#3 Pac 10
#4 Big 10
#5 Big 12

Then I posted this a while back. Everything supports my opinion.

Is a Conference as Strong as its Weakest Link???

Everyone has heard the phrase, a team is as strong as its weakest link (or something like that). Well why not apply it to judging conferences? I took the 3 worst teams in each conference and calculated their average power ranking and calculated their average strength of schedule. Higher the Power Ranking the better, and the lower the SOS the better. Here are the results.

Is a Conference as Strong as its Weakest Link???

Top 9 Strongest Conferences Using this Criteria

1. ACC 68 SOS: 16
2. Pac 10 66 SOS: 15
3. M. West 67 SOS: 47
4. B. East 64 SOS: 59
5. Big 10 60 SOS: 30
6. Big 12 60 SOS: 32
7. SEC 61 SOS: 43
8. MAC 51 SOS: 82
9. C. USA 51 SOS: 85

*Big 10 and Big 12 edged out the SEC because their SOS was 13 and 9pts stronger than the SEC and only 1pt lower in power rankings.

To be fair, we should also calculate the top 3 teams from each conference and see the results. I took the 3 best teams in each conference and calculated their average power ranking and calculated their average strength of schedule. Higher the Power Ranking the better, and the lower the SOS the better. Here are the results.

Is a Conference as Strong as its Strongest Link???

Top 9 Strongest Conferences Using this Criteria

1. SEC 90 SOS: 28
2. ACC 87 SOS: 22
3. Pac 10 87 SOS: 36
4. Big 10 87 SOS: 26
5. Big 12 87 SOS: 45
6. B. East 81 SOS: 50
7. MAC 81 SOS: 88
8. M. West 76 SOS: 59
9. C. USA 72 SOS: 98

*Pac 10 edged out the Big 10 because the Pac 10 Champ dominated the Big 10 Champ. I think that was a better reason to put the Pac 10 ahead of the Big 10 despite the Big 10 having a 10pt stronger SOS. Both power rankings were equal.

I think this thread is very interesting and now lets combine both sets of criteria. Top 3 teams of each conference with the 3 worst teams of each conference. I took the average power ranking and average SOS. I did not take the order they were ranked in both posts. Here are the results.

Is a Conference as Strong as its Strongest and Weakest Links???

Top 9 Strongest Conferences Combining Both Criteria

1. ACC 77 SOS: 22
2. Pac 10 76 SOS: 25
3. SEC 75 SOS: 35
4. Big 10 73 SOS: 28
5. Big 12 73 SOS: 38
6. B. East 72 SOS: 54
7. M. West 71 SOS: 53
8. MAC 66 SOS: 85
9. C. USA 61 SOS: 91

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Scott you are a joke... post all your crap. No one in their right frame of mind would ever put the Big 12 ast the 5th best conference in the USA. Saragin rankings fine..... what about Athlon ranking the Big 12 as #1? Go read their college football preview. They have the Big 12 ranked #1 and the Pac 10 5th. Everything is relative. You are a joke. Cling to your source and we'll cling to common sense and more than one source before we spout off how great one conference is over another.

Please go find a USC message board and just stay there. You are a certifiable joke. Only one more month before college football really starts so hopefully you will STF up.
 

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You asked and I delivered. Sorry you were disappointed with the results. :lol2 Everything I posted is from factual data.

Scott you are a joke..

Nope, you are. Read what you post and then look at my last post. You are the one who likes to get into name calling. I let my data do the talking and it obviously irritates you. Go run and cry to madjack and tell him Scott is posting factual data that contradicts what I believe. :142lmao:

No one in their right frame of mind would ever put the Big 12 last the 5th best conference in the USA. Saragin rankings fine..... what about Athlon ranking the Big 12 as #1? Go read their college football preview. They have the Big 12 ranked #1 and the Pac 10 5th. Everything is relative. You are a joke. Cling to your source and we'll cling to common sense and more than one source before we spout off how great one conference is over another.

This was about last years results, NOT A PREVIEW FOR THIS UPCOMING SEASON. :) You asked the question and I delivered.

Now you want to talk about who is the best conf. this coming season? Stay on topic Avalanche. Last year Big 12 was the 5th best conference. Sorry it breaks your heart. Where is your data to disprove that? :confused: Big 12 very well can be the #1 conf. this season, but I do know they were the #5 conference last season.

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Whatever Scott. If we are talking about last year how did USC not make it to the NC game if they had such a great conference, losing to that fine 6-loss Cal team. How did OU make it to NC game with the 5th best conference schedule yet their SOS was 11th in the USA and USC was 34th and LSU was like 19th. How do these things happen? It must be a Pac 10 conspiracy.
 

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Whatever Scott.
:)

If we are talking about last year how did USC not make it to the NC game if they had such a great conference, losing to that fine 6-loss Cal team.

For starters, last year was a rebuilding year for USC so that was a big reason USC lost on the road in their 4th game of the year. In that loss, USC lost by only 3pts in triple OT.

USC did not make it into the BCS Title Game because USC fell short by .16 BCS pts to LSU. .16 BCS pts is a VERY VERY small margin. Everything went against USC in terms of BCS pts. Washington St. played their rival UW without their starting QB but despite that had lead with 2min. left and lost. If WSU won, USC would have received .50 BCS pts + additional SOS pts. Get it? ND and Hawaii both tanked at the end of the year hurting USC SOS pts. UCLA and Oregon St. each lost the week prior to playing USC, hurting USC SOS pts. BYU had multiple injuries last year after playing USC and tanked, hurting USC SOS pts. Pac 10 supposedly had down year last season, hurting USC SOS pts. DESPITE ALL THAT, USC was only .16 BCS pts behind LSU. USC was not fortunate as LSU. CAL did not miss their triple OT FG nor the 52 yard FG they attempted during the game. Georgia missed 3 or 4 FG's when they played LSU and Ole Miss missed 2 FG's while losing by 3pts to LSU. Not complaining, just stating the facts. LSU got into the BCS Title game fair and square.

How did OU make it to NC game with the 5th best conference schedule yet their SOS was 11th in the USA and USC was 34th and LSU was like 19th. How do these things happen? It must be a Pac 10 conspiracy.
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BCS SOS

OU #11
LSU #29
USC #37

Jeff Sagarin NCAA Football SOS Ratings

USC #19
LSU #28
OU #39

How is Sagarin and BCS so different? Well, BCS SOS does not factor in where the location of the game is played. A win on the road is equal to a win at home. I tend to agree with Sagarin that winning on the road is tougher than winning at home. BCS SOS also values a win at home against a weak Div. 1a team more than a 3pt loss on the road to a STRONG DIv. 1a opponent. I do not agree with that.

The [Sagarin] SCHEDULE ratings represent the average schedule difficulty faced by each team in the games that it's played so far. The schedule
difficulty of a given game takes into account the rating of the opponent and the location of the game.


The AP and Coaches poll unanimously had USC #1, LSU #2, and OU #3.

The computer polls had OU #1, LSU #2, and USC #3 (really hurting USC).

OU then received QW pts while USC did not. USC would have received QW pts if WSU did not lose to UW at the end of the year. (WSU without starting QB and blew lead late 4th) How unfortunate for USC. That is the way the ball bounces. USC would have received .50 BCS pts and USC was only .16 BCS pts behind LSU. If WSU won, LSU never would have had a shot at co-national championship because both polls unanimously felt USC was the #1 team and the BCS forces the coaches poll to vote the winner of the BCS TItle game #1. AP did not agree to that. That is why this is the first time in BCS History the AP and Coaches Poll did not crown the same NC. Understand?

Do I crown USC the one and only National Champion because both AP and Coaches Poll if not forced would have USC #1? NO. Just like I do not crown LSU as the one and only National Champion because they won the BCS Title game. This is the system in college football and you have no choice but to accept and deal with it. AP and Coaches Poll have around much longer than the BCS. BCS was only designed to match up the best 2 teams in the country against each other. Unfortunately, time and time again the BCS has failed to do so and last year we had a split national championship. You can be ignorant and be in the minority and recognize LSU or USC as the only true champion but that is incorrect. Both are equal National Champions.
 

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USC would have received this.... IF this.... if that.... woulda shoulda coulda
 

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Let me remind you that YOU asked why and I answered it. Everything I said in my answer is based on factual data. I even corrected you on your error for BCS SOS. You look very silly asking why then replying

USC would have received this.... IF this.... if that.... woulda shoulda coulda
 

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Yes you are right, everything you say is based on factual data... If WSU had beaten WU, if Hawaii hadn't done this... if this if that..... sure that sounds factual.
 

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Scott,


Your evading their question on how USC lost to a team that lost 6 games including a loss to Utah. All your stats are worthless, how did USC loss to a team that got beat by the Running Utes? You have also made your argument on SOS seem worthless by stating that USC not by their choice is playing a very weak schedule this year, you seem to be confirming that the Pac 10 is rather weak and that it is not USC fault that they play in the 5th best league!
 

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I am sure I will get a post from Scott's other screen name Mansa

Why don't you e-mail MADJACK and ask him if Scott4USC and Mansa are the same person. (I am telling you we are not) This obviously is a big deal to you and others here. Madjack can see both ISP's and both e-mails requested. I think Mansa has been a member longer than I have. Anyways, this has nothing to do with college football and why do you even give a crap if Mansa really is me or not. I only look at what is inside the post, not the poster. You got problems if you are worried if people are using 2 screen names or not. Is it too hard to focus on the material inside a post? Please do e-mail madjack along with your complaints about wanting me banned. Oh, I think I know why you dislike Mansa. He made a mockery of you and few other posters here in this thread. You never did reply to him. I wonder why? :)

Great thread and great arguments by Mansa

Scott,
Your evading their question on how USC lost to a team that lost 6 games including a loss to Utah. All your stats are worthless, how did USC loss to a team that got beat by the Running Utes?

NO, I did not dodge their question. I answered it. I will answer it again. Last year was a rebuilding year for USC. YES, it was a rebuilding year for the Trojans. USC lost to CAL @CAL by 3pts in triple OT. Leinart was making his 4th career start and was still learning on the job. Remember, USC graduated a Heisman winning QB who took practically every snap previous season. As it turns out, USC went out and won a National Championship in a rebuilding year. The loss to CAL cost USC an undisputed NC but that is ok with me.

What you might not be aware of is CAL has a top 5 QB in the nation with a top 5 offensive minded head coach in the country. CAL had the USC game circled and Tedford purposely scheduled 5 OOC games prior to the USC game. He said he wanted his team battle tested and prepared for the USC game. CAL played and lost to at the time #10 KSU and #25 Utah BOTH on the road. Cal also lost to Colorado St.. All 3 opponents who Cal lost too (2 on road) were BOWL TEAMS LAST YEAR. Cal also played and beat Illiniois (road) and Southern Miss. I think that qualified Cal to be battle tested for USC and for Tedford to implement his offense. USC had ONLY played 3 games prior to CAL. Tedford publicly admitted to this and it was very smart of him. He knew he would lose to KSU but he wanted to play at KSU cuz he knew it would help his team against USC. That extra game/practice time worked out. Not many teams played a tougher OOC schedule than CAL. 5 OOC games in a row, 3 on the road, with 2 top 25 ranked opponents on the road. Hope that answers your question and hopefully you learn to read and comprehend so you do not ask me to answer the same question twice.

You have also made your argument on SOS seem worthless by stating that USC not by their choice is playing a very weak schedule this year, you seem to be confirming that the Pac 10 is rather weak and that it is not USC fault that they play in the 5th best league!

USC wanted to play Miami, Michigan, and OU this year and all 3 said NO WAY. I know for a fact Michigan and OU could have played USC if they wanted too because it would have worked out schedule wise. Especially OU with 2 open dates to fill just like USC. So no, I was not claiming the Pac 10 being weak. I think the Pac 10 was the 3rd strongest conf. last year and will fall somewhere between 3rd-5th this season. I do not agree with pre-season SOS or conference rankings. Way too many variables.

Pac 10 was the 3rd or at the very least 4th strongest conference last year. Maybe you could not read and comprehend the data I provided. BUt if your opinion is the Pac 10 being the 5th, I sure would like to see why. I am confident you could not provide a strong argument like I did with "factual" data. Maybe we should all take your opinion and treat it like factual
data. :142lmao:

Big 12 CLEARLY was the 5th strongest.

If being the 3rd or 4th strongest conference in the country is considered weak by Master Cappers standards, then he must also think the Big 10 was weak last year and the Big 12 being SUPER WEAK!!! I do not share the same rating system as MC.

Only response I need to read from you is telling me why the Pac 10 last year was weaker than the Big 12 AND Big 10. I can see a valid argument supporting the Big 10 being ranked higher than the Pac 10, but from the "factual" data I provided, there is not much you can say to support the Big 12.

Don't forget that the Big 12 has 12 teams, Big 10: 11 teams, and Pac 10: 10 teams.

My money is on you coming up empty with this argument!!!!!!!!
 
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how can you prove it is a rebuilding year anyways??? thats just opinion...

maybe if cal would of beaten Colorado St at home, maybe that would of helped USC in SOS..
 
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