great news for lefties..obama adm. considers lifting ban on casket photos

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Opinions are like Assholes, eveyone has one.

JMO.
How ironic that you mock an opinion and then end it with "Just my opinion".

I prefer the cuter version of that sentiment as quoted from Modest Mouse...

'Opinions are like kittens, always giving them away.'

BTW, Bryanz is correct about everything in this thread. That is my free kitten.
 

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Bryanz, the Liberal media will not use the Flag Draped Caskets on Obama, it's to bad that our media slants the NEWS instead of Reporting it.

Opinions are like Assholes, eveyone has one.

JMO.

it's not about Obama... He's told you that.. No matter what you think about the man , he is right about that.... it's not about the media... you have your truths, I have mine... lets assume the rest have theirs.... I know this is corny and simplistict but it's about accountabilty and right and wrong... everything my parents taught me and everything the right gives lip servise to evreyday.... How does one defend, not showing the cost of freedom and liberty ??? That is what this is about, NO ??? If it was as simple as that, we would not be having this discussion...
 

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How the hell is not showing caskets related to GW hiding deaths--with the media and the STW you get body count daily--until they are reduced then you don't hear shit. when the last time you heard report from media on Iraq--or lack of casualties.

How about the media showing terririst chopping heads every time liberals want to give them them more compasion?

My thoughts--The hardest thing for me to do as vet returning from Iraq--would to be forced to have my team salute Gumby-Pelosi and Reid if ordered to do so--would rather spend 5 days in the brigg--
--of course couldn't see the three returning salute without thinking of the 3 Amigo's-- :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJmesqycoQU&feature=related
 

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How ironic that you mock an opinion and then end it with "Just my opinion".

I prefer the cuter version of that sentiment as quoted from Modest Mouse...

'Opinions are like kittens, always giving them away.'

BTW, Bryanz is correct about everything in this thread. That is my free kitten.

Whatever.

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie
 

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I think there is probably a big difference in the timing of showing caskets, but I do find it ironic that previously "the media" used those pictures to motivate Americans and now supposedly that same "media" is using it to undercut and undermine it. As far as I know, the death of American soldiers has always been a pretty big deal, and I personally think it's an important reminder of the cost of undertaking a war, especially when you start the war. And of course it's designed to honor the fallen heroes. There has to be some ownership and responsibility undertaken when you send people to war for the cause you decide that it is - up to the individual to decide the validity, honesty, and necessity of each war, right? I think most here actually can debate the value of the war in Iraq - and this is the only war other than Bush's father in Iraq before that a certain administration thinks we have to hide the dead soldiers? Gee, I wonder why.

Big difference between the caskets resulting from say, WW2 and the War in Iraq. Some similarities in Vietnam and Iraq, I grant you. But now, all of a sudden, those pictures are only from some liberal slanted media and used to undermine?

Possibly MOST importantly, you are missing the point when you rip Obama for this - this is nothing new, and was taken by Bush's appointee Gates before Obama was even considered the front runner for the presidency, let alone having a hand in forming policy - not surprising you would miss this in the link you give, because it undermines your argument and ripping:

Gates, a Bush administration holdover who has served in the Pentagon?s top job since December 2006, said he looked into changing the policy a little over a year ago.

Heres another one from your link:

Media coverage of military remains arriving at ports of entry was once permitted but came to a halt by Pentagon decree during the 1991 Gulf War, on Feb. 2, 1991. Seems to be only a Bush family plan to hide the war dead, eh? Interesting.

And a final one, perhaps the most interesting, showing a republican who agrees with the repeal of the hiding:

In 2004, a ?Sense of Congress? resolution included in the 2005 budget stated that the Pentagon policy ?appropriately protects the privacy of the families and friends of the deceased.?

Rep. Walter Jones, R-N.C., has taken the opposite view ? that photos of returning caskets both honor the returning service member and remind the public that the nation is at war.

In January, Jones introduced the ?Fallen Hero Commemoration Act,? legislation that would force the Pentagon to grant the media access when military remains arrive at U.S. military installations.


Seems the usual suspects here are following the party line and either not reading the subject matter they put forth, or they are simply hiding it. Or, hoping people won't look what's behind the curtain? Nice work, gents. :rolleyes:
 

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A Saudi woman tries to choose a Valentine's Day teddy bears at a gift shop...



A Saudi woman tries to choose a Valentine's Day gift at a store in the...



A Saudi woman tries to choose a Valentine's Day cards as a worker clears...


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - Just days before Valentine's Day, a young Saudi woman desperately searched for a red teddy bear to buy for her boyfriend. But all Nof Faisal could find were blue and white ones, minus the "I love you" she wanted hers to declare.
It's not because the store couldn't keep up with demand. It is because fear of the religious police forced the store's owner to strip the shelves of all red items, including the hottest-selling item: heart-festooned red plastic handcuffs inscribed, "Take me, I'm yours."

As Feb. 14 approaches, the police begin inspecting gift shops for items that are red or are intended as gifts to mark the holiday?a celebration of St. Valentine, a 3rd century Christian martyr?which is banned in Saudi Arabia. Such items are legal at other times of the year, but as Valentine's Day nears they become contraband.

At best, shops caught selling Valentine's gifts are ordered to get rid of them. Some salesmen have been detained for days.

The Valentine's Day prohibition is in line with the ascetic Wahhabi school of Islam that the kingdom follows. Marking Christian holidays is banned in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam and a country where non-Muslims are banned from openly practicing their religion.

Celebrating any holidays but the two most important for Muslims?Eid al-Adha and Eid al-Fitr_ is taboo because they are considered "religious innovations" that Islam does not sanction. Even birthdays and Mother's Day are frowned on by the religious establishment.

As Feb. 14 approaches, newspapers reprint a fatwa or religious edict issued by scholars a few years ago, declaring "eid al-hob," Arabic for the feast of love, a "Christian, pagan feast" that Muslims should not celebrate. Teachers remind students they must not mark the festival, and girls are warned against wearing anything red.

Nevertheless, Valentine's Day quietly creeps into the capital, Riyadh: While gift stores don't trumpet their Valentine's wares, they acquire a deep red hue as shelves are stocked with artificial flowers, heart-shaped frames and other knickknacks.

Lingerie stores display red lacy underwear and sheer short nighties. Boxes packed with teddy bears, some inscribed with "I love you," appear on supermarket shelves. Newspapers advertise diamond and ruby heart-shaped pendants.

And salesmen urge shoppers to snap up their gifts early because no one knows when the religious police will begin their rounds.

"My colleague spent a night in jail last year because of the color red," said one salesman, who insisted on anonymity, fearing his colleague's fate.

It is a challenge for courting Saudi couples to be together at any time of the year because of strict gender segregation. Unmarried men and women cannot take a drive together, have a meal or even talk on the street unless they are close relatives. Dating consists of long phone conversations and the rare tryst. Infractions are punished by detention.

"I wish things were different," said Faisal, a 20-year-old student, who said she would like to be wined and dined by her boyfriend. She has arranged to have red roses, a red box containing perfume, chocolate and a CD of love songs delivered to him.

Abdul-Aziz al-Shammari bought his girlfriend 10 red roses?one for each month he's known her?five days before Valentine's Day and stored the bouquet in his refrigerator to keep it fresh.

"I don't consider it a day venerating (St.) Valentine," said al-Shammari, a 24-year-old student. "I see it as an international day of love."

For at least businessmen, the commercial draw of the holiday was too strong.

Waleed al-Khuleiwi's store was perhaps the only one in Riyadh still brimming with Valentine's goods with just days to go.

His cheeky defense: "I'm not selling the items with the intention of celebrating Valentine's."
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you think that we have problems

what would you say about police taking away all red items for Valentines day

think about it
 

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How the hell is not showing caskets related to GW hiding deaths--with the media and the STW you get body count daily--until they are reduced then you don't hear shit. when the last time you heard report from media on Iraq--or lack of casualties.

How about the media showing terririst chopping heads every time liberals want to give them them more compasion?

My thoughts--The hardest thing for me to do as vet returning from Iraq--would to be forced to have my team salute Gumby-Pelosi and Reid if ordered to do so--would rather spend 5 days in the brigg--
--of course couldn't see the three returning salute without thinking of the 3 Amigo's-- :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJmesqycoQU&feature=related

I wouldn't salute pelosi or reid either... who's going to order anyone to do so ? your all about bull shit.. and this post proves it ! you care more about salutes and what the media shows.. but you have a problem with showing the truth.... who cares what they show ? lets show it all.. this is America ! let the chips fall where they fall... You want to censor , they want to censor, whats left ? We'll make you the king of censorship... What shall we show KING ???
 

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I've always heard it -

Opinions are like assholes - Everyone has one but yours stinks

Just opinion from the vet side-

Lets hear yours from the --
Don't tazz me bro--OW OW OW pinkies side :)
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February 13, 2009
Iraq: Good News Is No News
By Charles Krauthammer


WASHINGTON -- Preoccupied as it was poring through Tom Daschle's tax returns, Washington hardly noticed a near-miracle abroad. Iraq held provincial elections. There was no Election Day violence. Security was handled by Iraqi forces with little U.S. involvement. A fabulous bazaar of 14,400 candidates representing 400 parties participated, yielding results highly favorable to both Iraq and the United States.

Iraq moved away from religious sectarianism toward more secular nationalism. "All the parties that had the words 'Islamic' or 'Arab' in their names lost," noted Middle East expert Amir Taheri. "By contrast, all those that had the words 'Iraq' or 'Iraqi' gained."

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki went from leader of a small Islamic party to leader of the "State of the Law Party," campaigning on security and secular nationalism. He won a smashing victory. His chief rival, a more sectarian and pro-Iranian Shiite religious party, was devastated. Another major Islamic party, the pro-Iranian Sadr faction, went from 11 percent of the vote to 3 percent, losing badly in its stronghold of Baghdad. The Islamic Fadhila party that had dominated Basra was almost wiped out.

The once-dominant Sunni party affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and the erstwhile insurgency was badly set back. New grass-roots tribal ("Awakening") and secular Sunni leaders emerged.

All this barely pierced the consciousness of official Washington. After all, it fundamentally contradicts the general establishment/media narrative of Iraq as "fiasco."

One leading conservative thinker had concluded as early as 2004 that democracy in Iraq was "a childish fantasy." Another sneered that the 2005 election that brought Maliki to power was "not an election but a census" -- meaning people voted robotically according to their ethnicity and religious identity. The implication being that these primitives have no conception of democracy, and that trying to build one there is a fool's errand.

What was lacking in all this condescension is what the critics so pride themselves in having -- namely, context. What did they expect in the first elections after 30 years of totalitarian rule that destroyed civil society and systematically annihilated any independent or indigenous leadership? The only communal or social ties remaining after Saddam Hussein were those of ethnicity and sect.

But in the intervening years, while the critics washed their hands of Iraq, it began developing the sinews of civil society: a vibrant free press, a plethora of parties, the habits of negotiation and coalition-building. Reflecting these new realities, Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani this time purposely and publicly backed no party, strongly signaling a return -- contra Iran -- to the Iraqi tradition of secular governance.

The big strategic winner here is the United States. The big loser is Iran. The parties Tehran backed are in retreat. The prime minister who staked his career on a strategic cooperation agreement with the United States emerged victorious. Moreover, this realignment from enemy state to emerging democratic ally, unlike Egypt's flip from Soviet to U.S. ally in the 1970s, is not the work of a single autocrat (like Anwar Sadat), but a reflection of national opinion expressed in a democratic election.

This is not to say that these astonishing gains are irreversible. There loom three possible threats: (a) a coup from a rising and relatively clean military disgusted with the corruption of civilian politicians -- the familiar post-colonial pattern of the past half-century; (b) a strongman emerging from a democratic system (Maliki?) and then subverting it, following the Russian and Venezuelan models; or (c) the collapse of the current system because of a premature U.S. withdrawal that leads to a collapse of security.

Averting the first two is the job of Iraqis. Averting the third is the job of the U.S. Which is why President Obama's reaction to these remarkable elections, a perfunctory statement noting that they "should continue the process of Iraqis taking responsibility for their future," was shockingly detached and ungenerous.

When you become president of the United States you inherit its history, even the parts you would have done differently. Obama might argue that American sacrifices in Iraq were not worth what we achieved. But for the purposes of current and future policy, that is entirely moot. Despite Obama's opposition, America went on to create a small miracle in the heart of the Arab Middle East. President Obama is now the custodian of that miracle. It is his duty as leader of the nation that gave birth to this fledgling democracy to ensure that he does nothing to undermine it.

letters@charleskrauthammer.com
 

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you got any thoughts of your own, bro - or is everything from the hammer?:shrug:
 

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How many times have I ranted on media showing no coverage since--the surge didn't work/the retreat was voted down. :shrug:

Kraut has same premise just puts it a lot more eloquently. :)
 
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