gregg backs out on commerce secretary gig....the census issue...

gardenweasel

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http://www.drudgereport.com/flashgg.htm

obama angling to take over the census issue and use it for partisan purposes...never been done before(the constitution gives it to the legislature so it can remain a bi-partisan operation)...what are they gonna do?..outsource it to acorn?....they gonna count three dozen people in the southern states and billions in the northern states?....

:rimshot

the dems haven`t even let the stimulus bill see the light of day...they say they`ll post it on the net AFTER it passes...lol(this after bock said all bills would be posted 5 days before signing...none have)...:rolleyes:

now the fairness doctrine(that applies only to radio..not t.v. or other media)...yeppers,lets shut down just the opposing voices...

and you guys bitched about bush?...

transparency?......bi-partisansip?.....more like totalitarianism...:lol:
 

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I love that you hate everything that is happening.

Its all about change you can believe in .

Just sit back and relax

everything is going to be all right
 

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Quick question: If the dems are supposedly "hiding" the stimulus package, then how is that all of us are able to dissect parts of it and discuss it? How is it that conservatives are bringing up so many different parts of it? How is it that you yourself have linked to at least one part of it - and Wayne, and probably others? Is that because the package is hidden?

I've heard of fuzzy math, and I know Bush spoke and understood fuzzy english, but this is stretching things, even for you, Wease.
 

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I love that you hate everything that is happening.

Its all about change you can believe in .

Just sit back and relax

everything is going to be all right

i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...
 

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i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...



I dislike more being lied to day in and day out about everything and it leading to thousands of young americans dying for a pointless war.
 

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i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...

I agree that right now things do not look good. But don't forgot how we got here. Six years of Bush getting everything he wanted.
 

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I dislike more being lied to day in and day out about everything and it leading to thousands of young americans dying for a pointless war.

I am so sick and tired of hearing that it was a pointless war, geez people give it up. The reason we went in was because we thought Saddam had a WMD, he did he just hid them in another country, that he was going to give to Al Quaeda to hit us like 911 but worse an kill 100,000 people plus. I think when you sign up for military service there is a chance you might have to actually work in a zone that may be deadly, so quit your fucking crying about a pointless war. sick of it...have we been hit since 911 on our soil? I think not, great job BUSH, you rock...
 

hedgehog

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i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...

damn straight, some people need the government to tell them when to wipe their ass. I want the government out of my way, Obama has to be the single most liberal President we have ever had, or will have. Plus having both houses of Congress, scary times are ahead boys, hunker down and get your guns and ammo...
 

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i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...

You sound grumpy.
 

smurphy

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damn straight, some people need the government to tell them when to wipe their ass. I want the government out of my way, Obama has to be the single most liberal President we have ever had, or will have. Plus having both houses of Congress, scary times are ahead boys, hunker down and get your guns and ammo...

You sound grumpy.
 

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lets be fair here, I am pretty grumpy about the lightbulb and toilet thing myself. I will be damned if any Washington Obamacrat is gonna tell me what kind of toilet I can crap on.
 

gardenweasel

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I dislike more being lied to day in and day out about everything and it leading to thousands of young americans dying for a pointless war.

who lied to you?...valerie plame?....

you think only republicans work at the cia?...the ny times was leaking america`s secrets on a weekly basis...where do you think they got their info?...you think they wouldn`t have come forward if bush skewed the intelligence?...

you don`t think there were dems on the intelligence committee?...

you guys have to stop being so naive...

if the dems are trying like hell to bring charges against the administration on wiretaps/waterboarding and firing some lawyers,don`t you think if they thought there was anything there regarding the war that these liberal douchenozzles would be on it like joe namath on suzy kolber?....

i suggest you worry about what the dems are trying to pull with the commerce dept...

if the census is done as it`s ALWAYS been done by the commerce dept.,the rules about how it would be conducted are public knowledge....it`s wide open for everyone to see it`s fair...a count is actually taken...

if it is conducted by the white house they do not have to explain the rules of how the census is conducted....

in that case they wouldn`t actually have to count the people..they can statistically estimate our population....

and in case you weren`t aware of how important a legit,fair census is....it determines the number of u.s. representatives for each state,
the boundaries of state legislative districts and
the distribution of billions of dollars of federal funds..


if it`s not done in an open,fair manner,the whole system is corrupted...with the w.h. running it(never done before in history),they control the estimates and the vital statistics...

gee, no chance the "statistics" could be tweaked, eh?...

amerika..the newest communist country...
 

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i don`t like it scottie...that`s true enough...

i don`t like the gov`t. telling me that if i keep 60% of my wages i`m rich..

i don`t like the gov`t. monitoring my radio listening fare because they consider it "to conservative"...

i don`t like the gov`t involved in medical decisions that i make with my physician...

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of car i can drive...

i don`t like gov`t telling me what kind of toilet i can use..

i don`t like the gov`t telling me what kind of lightbulb i can use....

i don`t like the gov`t dropping charges against known terrorists in mid-trial because of politics...

i don`t like the president stealthily/unconstitutionally usurping the census function to gerrymander the shit out of the process(thanks mr gregg for not allowing them to use you to lipstick the upcoming census pig)....

the wheels are coming off the cart(because the "nuts" are loose)...

yup....i`m a tad disenchanted....that`s a safe assumption...

Canada seems nice? :shrug:
 

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All these things we don't want the government to do

Yet we are gung fucking ho to let them handle our safety, our security, borders and our airplane ticket lines.

wtf ffs

You gotta pick one here - We can stay the way we are and you get to keep health care the way it is but I need the best army money can buy to look after my well being. It should be it's own industry. They get to go public and hell you can buy their stock on e-trade. We can all buy national security insurance too and if we group together with 10 or more people our safety premium will go down 30% There would be competition but they could always run an ad with a gecko dressed in fatigues to help you make your choice of which army you want to protect you.
Sounds pretty fucking rediculous doesn't it?

The Guvment don't know shit from shinolah when it comes to hospital's, wall street and retirement but by god they sure can run the greatest armed forces in the history of man

Is that what we're saying the government role is?

For Pete's sake.

I thought Judd Gregg was a good pick (probably should have been the first choice ahead of Richardson) and a conservative view when it comes to commerce would have been a well placed check and balance tool.

Get to the real (insinuated) issue - The only reason a conservative would turn down the opportunity to be Commerce Secretary, especially with census/congressional boundaries approaching in 2010 would be... If the position came with strings attached and he could only play if he was a company man.

You worry about the Obama administration manipulating the census bureau but the conservative that accepted the job, flip-flops and backs out. If things go the way you fear - he could have stood on Capitol Hill with Television reporters flocking like pigeons to crackers telling the whole world about the injustice being done. Sorry - he can still do that but it won't carry the media attention that it would have, had he been in charge of running the fucking census bureau.

Tickle my fancy - It's not the opposing view schtick that he claims or else our country would have fallen apart a long time ago if people with different views couldn't work together. So what is it, if not the -you have to be one of us now- angle?

One thing that turned me off of Gregg today -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090213/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gregg_withdrawal
In an interview with The Associated Press, Gregg said, "For 30 years, I've been my own person in charge of my own views, and I guess I hadn't really focused on the job of working for somebody else and carrying their views, and so this is basically where it came out."

To hold a senate position - elected by the people of New Hampshire - Then have the gaul to say that he hasn't thought about working for someone else or carrying their views. You missed the point of an elected official esteemed sir - Senator's need to work for their state down to their constituents.
Not their fucking elephant-ass/donkey-ass party.

I'm not proud - I had to lookup the duties of the Commerce Secretary in which Judd Gregg R-New Hampshire turned down today

The commerce secretary runs the Department of Commerce, which includes the following:


* Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS)
* Economics and Statistics Administration (ESA)
o Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
o Bureau of the Census
* Economic Development Administration (EDA)
* International Trade Administration (ITA)
* Minority Business Development Agency (MBDA)
* National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
o National Weather Service (NWS)
o Office of Oceanic and Atmospheric Research (OAR)
o National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps (NOAA Corps)
* National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA)
* Patent and Trademark Office (PTO)
* National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
* National Technical Information Service (NTIS)
 

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Back to Gregg
--Its nice to know there are still a few politicians who let their values over ride politics.

He basically told O and company --I can't work for this admin and look in the mirror the next morning.

--of course never saw how he fit in with the "best and the brightest" team in the 1st place.

February 12, 2009
Hardly the Best and Brightest
By Victor Davis Hanson

Most historians agree that earthquakes, droughts or barbarians did not unravel classical Athens or imperial Rome.

More likely the social contract between the elite and the more ordinary citizens finally began breaking apart -- and with it the trust necessary for a society's collective investment and the payment of taxes. Then civilization itself begins to unwind.

Something like that has been occurring lately because of the actions on Wall Street and in Washington, D.C. The former "masters of the universe" who ran Wall Street took enormous risks to get multimillion-dollar bonuses, even as they piled up billions in debt for their soon-to-be-bankrupt companies.

Financial wizards like Robert Rubin at Citicorp, Richard Fuld at Lehman Brothers and Franklin Raines at Fannie Mae -- all of whom made millions as they left behind imploding corporations -- had degrees from America's top universities. They had sophisticated understanding of hedge funds, derivatives and sub-prime mortgages -- everything, it seems, but moral responsibility for the investments of millions of their ordinary clients.

The result of such speculation by thousands of Wall Street gamblers was that millions of Americans who played by the rules, and put money each month away in their 401(k) plans and elsewhere, lost much of their retirement savings. Many likely will have to keep working well into their 60s or 70s, and delay passing on their jobs to a new generation awaiting employment.

Yet most disgraced Wall Street elites will retain their mega-bonuses and will not go to jail. Their legacy is having destroyed the financial confidence of a society that depends on putting capital safely away to be directed for investment by responsible overseers.

A sort of unraveling of the entire system of credit and debt may follow from the loss of confidence in Wall Street. Ads on radio now blare out to the rest of us how to renegotiate our mortgages, how to avoid paying the IRS and how to walk away from freely incurred credit-card debt. We hear not to trust in mutual funds or even banks -- but instead, like medieval hoarders, to revert to the age-old safety of gold.

Apparently, the institutions run by our elites aren't trustworthy, so why should we put any faith in them?

Meanwhile, we are learning that the brightest and best-educated Americans at the highest levels of government simply refuse to pay their required taxes. Yet because the IRS audits a tiny percentage of taxpayers, voluntarily compliance with our tax code is the glue that holds together a sophisticated society and separates it from a failed state.

Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., is the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee that overseas our tax laws. But his lawyer recently admitted that Rangel didn't report some $75,000 in income.

Timothy Geithner is the new Treasury secretary and oversees the IRS. Yet Geithner improperly wrote off his son's summer camp fees as a dependent-care expense, and failed to pay thousands of dollars in Social Security and Medicare taxes.

Then there is former Sen. Tom Daschle, who was nominated to be secretary of Health and Human Services. It was revealed that he owed the IRS over $140,000 in taxes on unreported free limo services; as a result, he had to ask President Obama to withdraw his nomination.

Nancy Killefer, who just withdrew her name from consideration as "performance czar," did not pay required taxes for domestic help.

The husband of Labor secretary nominee, Hilda Solis, had over a dozen liens for back taxes on his property and just now paid up amid public outcry. (The issue is relevant, since the couple filed a joint income tax return.)

Daschle, Geithner, Killefer and Solis did not disclose their tax liabilities until they were nominated to high office and scrutinized by the press.
And they apparently did not pay their back taxes until their appointments were in jeopardy from public disclosures. That raises disturbing questions: Would we have known about such tax dodging had our best and brightest not wished career advancement in government? And would they have ever paid up if they had not been caught?

Take your pick -- on the one side, we have free-market capitalists who took huge amounts of money as their companies eroded the savings of tens of millions; on the other, we have supposedly egalitarian liberals who skipped paying taxes.

The result is the same. Our best educated, wealthiest and most connected in matters of finance proved our dumbest -- and our political leaders were less than ethical in meeting their moral responsibilities as citizens.

If ordinary Americans were to follow the examples of Wall Street and Washington elites, the nation would neither collect needed revenue nor invest its capital. All that is a recipe for national decline and fall.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and author, most recently, of "A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War." You can reach him by e-mailing author@victorhanson.com.
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