Gumby's war

[shawn555]

I missed the speech tonight. Did President Obama land on an aircraft carrier and announce "mission accomplished"?

If he did I hope he did not forget to pimp the codpiece.

 

[Trench]

Tramp who does this sound like?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

:mj23:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Wayne, I cannot agree with you on a blanket whitewash of Obama's record. I think on some issues he's stood fast and gotten things done - not that the other side (and you) would agree with those things. He's been very strong on several issues, and deserves respect for those - although you and those who micro-examine his motives don't agree.

I can't think of many Presidents who came into office and had to deal with what Obama has had to deal with. Some, yes. But what irritates me is seeing such rampant criticism about someone who considers more than one option in many cases - as the leader of the free world - and seeing that criticism as being self-appointedly accurate is just sad.

I am having a very difficult time with where the country is headed, despite seeing some promising economic signs - some thanks to the efforts undertaken by the Obama administration. At least I'm honest about it. Which is more than I can say about many of the conservatives here - and you - who I don't think would ever consider voting for a democrat. If you would, please tell me one that you have voted for in your life, and why?

I think the economics of our country have changed completely in the past several years. It STARTED with Bush, and I don't see real efforts on the democratic side to aggressively face those situations. I may have to hold my nose in the next election and vote with what I think is appropriate for the economic (and defense-related) good of this country, which certainly could be conservative based.

But one thing that will always now make me hesitant to vote conservative is thanks to the Supreme Court - who has effectively made my voice nearly nonexistent in the big picture by allowing the major corporations to control the message and dominate our election process.

Actually Chad I have voted for several Dems--did you forget my telling you you pre election and post I could not vote for reb gov a 2nd term--because he had 3rd worst attendance record of all govs--

I understand your holding your nose and voting -we all do that on occasion-

For the most part we vote for those we identify with--who's character/values most closely resemble our own--or its a matter of economics/redistribution of wealth motive.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I missed the speech tonight. Did President Obama land on an aircraft carrier and announce "mission accomplished"?

I didn't see it either but expect
-- it was on The View-with Nas and Lil Wayne being played off his ipod in the backround

 

[StevieD]

History shows that those of us who thought inading Iraq was insane were correct. I also happen to be pissed that we are still in Iraq and Afghan. But make no mistake about it the toll those two wars have taken on this country have driven us to the brink of bancruptcy. Dogs and his like are siimple republican puppets who will cheer anything a republican does and trash anything a Dem does all to the detriment of the United States.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Interesting we have only 2 threads on this war with little participation.

Can imagine the hoopla had this been in GW's era.

Of course this is a ""kinetic military action" not a war as you will hear in speech tonight.

IMO I am not against action but against the waffeling for 31 days and then letting French grab O by the ears and lead him. I assume everyone knows Frances vested interest?

Also I am not much on the delusions and fabrications made so far.

I can tell you with certainty from experience as vet vs acorn organizer that this action will be weeks/months vs days--we already have troops on ground--and toss up which will cost more--the military action or rebuilding.

Whether action was good move will be determined by results. Will we actually remove him and bigger question--who are these rebels that will replace him.

As we've seen in Egypt--appears we will have a western ally in all probabilty replaced with the Muslim Brotherhood.

I also ask myself--why Libya and not a peep on Iran last year or Syria now?

Almost 2 months later---

WH: US MISSION IN LIBYA NOW OPEN-ENDED...

:0003

 

[Trench]

What I find hilarious about this thread is that many of us have criticized Obama countless times over the past two years for escalating the war in Afghanistan...

...and now the biggest war-monger on this forum wants us to believe he's suddenly developed a conscience.

Excuse me now while I remove the bullshit oozing out of this thread and onto my monitor and keyboard.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I call em as I see them--as noted. Only thing in doubt on this one was--is he that clueless or was it a deliberate grift.


Our troops would have had this finished in days--if O wasn't playing the lackey for the UN/France with our troops.
Can't imagine the embarrassment of our military when O put - The French/UN in charge of them. Some very unhappy campers in our military--

I can remember the days when just a threat of us invading could get Kadafi to comply with our wishes.:SIB

 

[Trench]

I call em as I see them--

I can remember the days when just a threat of us invading could get Kadafi to comply with our wishes.:SIB

You must be refering to the good old days when Qadaffi "complied with our wishes" by sponsoring anti-U.S. and anti-British terrorism on a global scale.

Too bad Reagan didn't get his man. We wouldn't be dealing with this lunatic today. And 270 people wouldn't have died in the PanAm 747 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/us-bombs-libya

 

[Mags]

But one thing that will always now make me hesitant to vote conservative is thanks to the Supreme Court - who has effectively made my voice nearly nonexistent in the big picture by allowing the major corporations to control the message and dominate our election process.

Chad:

Is that any different than the labor unions doing the exact same thing the last 20 or so years?

It's all special interests (both unions and corporations) and big money. At least, finally, corporations and unions are on equal footing.

If you want to change the SC decision, then we'd also have to mandate that unions are held out of the election process entirely. And if that was the case, the Dems would really have a hard time winning any elections.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Chad:

Is that any different than the labor unions doing the exact same thing the last 20 or so years?

It's all special interests (both unions and corporations) and big money. At least, finally, corporations and unions are on equal footing.

If you want to change the SC decision, then we'd also have to mandate that unions are held out of the election process entirely. And if that was the case, the Dems would really have a hard time winning any elections.

But don"t labor unions try to help those who are doing the labor? Who are the corporations trying to help? (wish I had a picture of a big pocket)

One more thing.. How can Dog's always claim he is not racist and he loves hanging with black people but starts a thread title "GUMBY"

PITY REALLY.

 

[THE KOD]

this is why he calls Obama that


he is and will always remain DTBlackgumby

 

[Mags]

But don"t labor unions try to help those who are doing the labor? Who are the corporations trying to help? (wish I had a picture of a big pocket)

One more thing.. How can Dog's always claim he is not racist and he loves hanging with black people but starts a thread title "GUMBY"

PITY REALLY.

That's a tough one. Labor Unions are helping their members, but also very concerned with their own salaries and political power - so I would say they have 2 agendas.

Corporations are trying to make money for themselves, stockholders (which in many cases are you and I via mutual funds) and stay in business - which they won't do if they don't meet profit objectives. And that helps the employees by providing good jobs (although not as clean of an argument that unions use). So I would say they also have 2 agendas.

I think both special interests protect their own hierarchy and their members in one way or another....

Again, as I do like to point out, public and private unions are 2 different animals. Private - no issues with, as there is actual bargaining and contention between labor and management with differing goals. Public unions are a joke and hurt all of the taxpayers by artifically inflating costs - both salary, time off, and benefits - above what the market will bear. We overpay, in total, for labor in the public union sector, as compared to the private market. And that inequity should not exist.

Ok, enough for a Saturday afternoon!

 

[bleedingpurple]

I have no problem giving tax breaks to corporations if they need it to survive, retain and hire employees, promote growth, and having good working conditions.

I think and maybe I need to do more research is that a lot of these companies take their breaks and put em in their pockets. I don't think people like the Koch's help people get into power, get the tax breaks to get more money, then help out the common man.

I think this is what most people are pist about. Tax breaks to help the corporations is a smoke screen up our ass in many cases.

So we will see what happens in WI as far as business goes since Walker couldn't get the breaks passed fast enough. Had to get em signed so his pimps could feel easy about getting him elected.

I don't know why you bash unions and support the Kochs. :shrug:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

But don"t labor unions try to help those who are doing the labor? Who are the corporations trying to help? (wish I had a picture of a big pocket)

One more thing.. How can Dog's always claim he is not racist and he loves hanging with black people but starts a thread title "GUMBY"

PITY REALLY.

I could care less what you think --BUT if you go back to 1st time I used it it explains reason I use it--it was right after he said I make the rules I won.
Gumby had favorite saying I'm Gumby Dammit.
hence the gumby term--

appears to have caught on--

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[DOGS THAT BARK]

this is why he calls Obama that


he is and will always remain DTBlackgumby

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/93766/

:0008

 

[Duff Miver]

I could care less what you think --BUT if you go back to 1st time I used it it explains reason I use it--it was right after he said I make the rules I won.
Gumby had favorite saying I'm Gumby Dammit.
hence the gumby term--

appears to have caught on--

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[DOGS THAT BARK]

Ah Muffy Nothing like king race baiter like yourself to come up with signature like you have.

It's always the same--

1st -with almost 20,000 post have yet to have anyone hunt up racist comment I made here.

2nd there have been prob 25 or more incidents of handful of race baiters (and not counting BP as one as he just happened to get trapped this time) and in all cases it as same as this thread--
They can't dispute post which reflects poorly on them- therefore they opt to tag it racist and try to dodge the subject.

Since we have black pres they now can use the racist rant for anything said about presidential or admin policy.

Before they were confined to racism as mention of any bureau of statistics/demographic #'s / or other facts that are indisputable.

Next time they get embarrassed because of irrefutable stats--I suggest they save their one lineliners and use--

and move on.

--and for the record -
Am I
-Racist?- no way
-Statistically prejudiced?--absolutely!
-Do I profile?-yes to the nth degree

 

[THE KOD]

1st -with almost 20,000 post have yet to have anyone hunt up racist comment I made here.

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as far as you being a racist neocon right wing
krautinheimer.

you have been judged by your peers


The jury has spoken and the verdict was in long ago.

It didnt take 20k posts for determination of a racist attitude.

Note- no blacks have come into my insurance co for 25 years. :SIB

why do you think that is ?

Its not your outright blatant racism statements.

The worst kind of racist is the one that hides behinds " I have made no statements about hating blacks "

Because thats the ones that put the klan sheets on and go out at night with torchs.


Guilty as charged.

 

[THE KOD]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DOGS THAT BARK
--13 replies since and not a peep--similiar response to question of experience/qualifications pre election

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Again I see you continue to expect your questions to be answered, and toss out ridicule if they aren't. So, I'll stop this line of commentary with a list I found of 90 things Obama has done right - depending on your opinion of him and what you personally believe. The beauty of your question is that you can summarily dismiss the entire list because you don't like him or his political stance - and continue to say he's done nothing right, Wayne. For the sake of answering your question, here goes.

Now that I've answered it, perhaps you can answer my question and others questions of you in this same thread. If you didn't see it, go back and check.
Chadman /

Here is a list of Obama's accomplishments as of August 2009:
Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending;
Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices;
Instituted enforcements for equal pay for women;
Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq;
Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover A.F.B.;
Ended media "blackout" on war casualties; reporting full information;
Ended media "blackout" on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover A.F.B.; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family;
The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act;
Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible;
Limits on lobbyists' access to the White House;
Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration;
Ended the previous "stop-loss" policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date;
Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan;
Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research;
Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research;
New federal funding for science and research labs;
States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards;
Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants...) after years of neglect;
Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools;
New funds for school construction;
The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out;
US Auto industry rescue plan;
Housing rescue plan;
$789 billion economic stimulus plan;
The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying;
US financial and banking rescue plan;
The "secret detention" facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed;
Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards;
Better body armor is now being provided to our troops;
The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010;
Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols;
Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic;
Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions;
Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office;
Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job;
US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast;
Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles;
"Cash for clunkers" program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales;
Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government;
Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children;
Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program;
Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return "home" to visit loved ones;
Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions;
Expanding vaccination programs;
Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters;
Closed offshore tax safe havens;
Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals;
Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back;
Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices;
Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources;
Lower drug costs for seniors;
Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings;
Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel;
Improved housing for military personnel;
Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses;
Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals;
Increasing student loans;
Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program;
Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy;
Established a new cyber security office;
Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force... this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.;
Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts;
Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness;
Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient;
Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced;
Improving benefits for veterans;
Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration;
Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud;
The FDA is now regulating tobacco;
Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules;
Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports;
Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons;
Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Webb to secure the release of an American held captive;
Making more loans available to small businesses;
Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare;
Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court;
Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans;
Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000;
Renewed loan guarantees for Israel;
Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan;
Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan;
New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans;
Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production;
Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters;
Paid for redecorations of White House living quarters out of his own pocket;
Held first Seder in White House;
Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more underinsured;
Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform;
Has announced his intention to push for energy reform; and
Has announced his intention to push for education reform

Oh we got to add one more of Obama's accomplishments.

He double tapped Bin Laden in the fawking eye and chest !


meanwhile your boy Bushy and Pres Cheney are just shaking their heads. How the hell did he do that ? We couldnt do that .

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