Hatton-Mayweather in Vegas Dec. 9, 2007
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Thank you your Spongeness. Actually, I have myself moved a line here in Vegas when I hit it VERY early. Some time back I had a scalp going and dropped more than a few dimes on a side. They moved the number like 25 cents quick, and this was at the Mirage, not some penny ante flop house. And to Zerwas I would say Floyd does what he has to do to win. I don't know he has ever had to dig down REAL deep in a fight yet.
question- i plan on going to vegas to see this fight- i understand that in vegas all the british hatton fans betting on ricky move the line way down- what impact will that have on line at book like 5dimes, betjamaica, sportsbbok ect..... if I wont to bet hatton will they have a better line 4 me ... any thoughtss??????
theres only one ricky hatton!!!!
theres only one ricky hatton!!!!
pickpro...you say there's only one R.H. like Floyd Mayweather Jr is just another fighter and not the most skilled boxer in the game today...lol
Zerwas...with all due respect, you say Floyd didn't impress you against DLH (who is also one of the best fighters of our time) My question to you is...when was the last time Hatton looked good?
Tzsyu...nope...excessive holding
Maussa...sucks
Collazo...nope...took a beating, almost got KTFO, very close decision
Urango...nope...holdfest
Castillo...nope...wrestling match
And this is coming from a guy who was a big Hatton fan at one time, back when he used to stand toe to toe and beat his opponent without all the clinching, wrestling, and holding.
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Zerwas...with all due respect, you say Floyd didn't impress you against DLH (who is also one of the best fighters of our time) My question to you is...when was the last time Hatton looked good?
Tzsyu...nope...excessive holding
Maussa...sucks
Collazo...nope...took a beating, almost got KTFO, very close decision
Urango...nope...holdfest
Castillo...nope...wrestling match
And this is coming from a guy who was a big Hatton fan at one time, back when he used to stand toe to toe and beat his opponent without all the clinching, wrestling, and holding.
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These books all work together when it comes to moving a line. Why i try to tell people that it isnt always money that moves lines. I like it when there is a lot of money on one side but they move the line the opposite way. I find it amusing sometimes when all the books at once move a line like they all got hit hard at the same time. You show me a book that moves the line just because of money and i will show you a book that will be out of business in a year. The other books would never allow this and most likely send over there henchman to bet just enough to crush this book. Now im talking about when all the books have a line up for and event. Just my humble opinion.
This is about winning and to criticise Hatton for his performances against Tzsyu and Castillo is pretty crazy imo.
He stopped two world class fighters in his two most important fight. How many rounds did he lose combined in this fights ?
Just for the record tonymontana warns anybody who wants to bet a lot money on odds of around -300 on Mayweather against an unbeaten wordclassfighter who matches Mayweather in one category which is often overlooked : foot speed.
Ricky Hatton is damn fast on his legs.
Mayweather beats Baldomir and Oscar because he got away when he wanted.
My point this is a bad idea to wager a lot of money on esp. when the fight is so far away.
To wager 5000 to win 2000 on Mayweather is imo a horrible risk/profit ratio.
And yes i believe Hatton at +240 has value and i played my 250 on him.
I dont want to pick a fight but i wanna help you not to make mistakes i made my self.
I wagered a lot on Jones to beat Tarver at stupid odds, dont make the same mistake with Mayweather.
I agree on laying a pile now at -300, not a good idea.
The criticism towards Hatton is that he's basically created a new sport, called wrestlebox or maul n punch and for people who enjoy The Sweet Science, it sucks to watch He's very strong at 140 and mauling the fukk out of aging fighters with weakening legs is perfect if he can get away with it. And fricken Joe Cortez, Castillo lands some legit body shots that hurt Hatton and Cortez docks him. I would have said fukk it also. I just don't see how he has any chance against Mayweather unless he's allowed to punch, clinch, clinch, punch, repeat for 12 rounds. I'm almost suprised that he went after this fight with Mayweather , particularly at 147. His strength is very important for his style and that advantage is taken away at 147 as we saw against Collazo. And Mayweather is just 30, still in his prime, so I give the Hugman credit for finally fighting a prime pound for pounder.
The weight is a problem, catchweight of 144 would have been nice but what the heck.
I just watched the Callazo fight again and Hatton was not 100 procent conditioned for this fight.
He backed of in the middle round and let Callazo fight fom a distance.
And btw he was not out on his feet he was hit with a series of good shots but he never lost his legs or didnt see the next shots coming. He backed of a little and clinched. But Lampley commented that the 12 round was hard to score which is bull imo clear Callazo round but Hatton was not in serious danger of getting stopped.
He hadnt the focus grit or intensity that he brings for the big fights.
And I believe he will step it up a notch for Mayweather. He has to been on Mayweather in cliching distance from the get go and tire him out.
If a really slow footed Castillo could pressure Mayweather Hatton should be able to do it too.
Mayweather is a pro and will be prepared properly but no question Hatton is burning hungry fighter not Floyd.
I just watched the Callazo fight again and Hatton was not 100 procent conditioned for this fight.
He backed of in the middle round and let Callazo fight fom a distance.
And btw he was not out on his feet he was hit with a series of good shots but he never lost his legs or didnt see the next shots coming. He backed of a little and clinched. But Lampley commented that the 12 round was hard to score which is bull imo clear Callazo round but Hatton was not in serious danger of getting stopped.
He hadnt the focus grit or intensity that he brings for the big fights.
And I believe he will step it up a notch for Mayweather. He has to been on Mayweather in cliching distance from the get go and tire him out.
If a really slow footed Castillo could pressure Mayweather Hatton should be able to do it too.
Mayweather is a pro and will be prepared properly but no question Hatton is burning hungry fighter not Floyd.
I agree to lay 300 on PBF is a horrible investment- I think this fight can go either way. As a result I think there is alot of value in Hatton. Hatton trainer has said that even though its at 147 he will be the same weight he was for castillo the night of the fight. U cant disrespect the fighters that hatton has beat and not look at Mayweathers powder puff carear.
Oscar- credit for taking the fight - but he ran the whole night, but got the job done in a close fight
Baldamir --- vernon forest did the same thing last week- while standing in there and fighting and not running
Gatti- Alfonso Gomex , WHo?? beat him just as bad as PBF
DIego Corrales- A decent win , but DC was suspect
Take no credit from PBF , he is a great fighter but I see Hatton relentless pressure and work rate taking a toll in the later rounds. 15,000 fans screaming for hatton and him being smothered by shot after shot I question if PBF s cant take it. Hatton will do a much better job at cutting the ring off than oscar did. ALso PBF at some point midway through the fight will have to stand in and force the action because with hattons work rate he will be behind on the cards. That when he will eat on eat some of those left hooks to the body which will make him drop his gloves- then a left hook to the face and then we have Ugly boy Floyd on the canvas -crying knocked into a Hatton Wonderland
Oscar- credit for taking the fight - but he ran the whole night, but got the job done in a close fight
Baldamir --- vernon forest did the same thing last week- while standing in there and fighting and not running
Gatti- Alfonso Gomex , WHo?? beat him just as bad as PBF
DIego Corrales- A decent win , but DC was suspect
Take no credit from PBF , he is a great fighter but I see Hatton relentless pressure and work rate taking a toll in the later rounds. 15,000 fans screaming for hatton and him being smothered by shot after shot I question if PBF s cant take it. Hatton will do a much better job at cutting the ring off than oscar did. ALso PBF at some point midway through the fight will have to stand in and force the action because with hattons work rate he will be behind on the cards. That when he will eat on eat some of those left hooks to the body which will make him drop his gloves- then a left hook to the face and then we have Ugly boy Floyd on the canvas -crying knocked into a Hatton Wonderland
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are we talking about the same guy here?..
.tony i love you to death....but man.....hatton`s had one fight at 147...and it was almost a disaster...i think he actually LOST to collazo...at 140,i might think a little,because i hate laying odds....but 147?
i don`t love mayweather...i don`t even actually like hm...but,how does ricky beat mayweather...particularly at 147?...he does he cope with that speed?...vs a guy that`s shown that he CAN beat bigger guys like dlh...a guy that has a height and reach advantage....
in vegas....not manchester...
i think i just kicked it up to -310....sorry...
my problem is that i`m not a big wagerer....i don`t keep an enormous balance....and i hate tying up money on a fight that`s 5 months down the road with football on the horizon.....
i really don`t know how hatton can win this......maybe a body shot?....
at 147?...away from manchester?...vs mayweather?....
.like him or not,mayweather`s speed and reflexes place him in rarified air....a smaller guy like hatton`s not gonna do what a dlh couldn`t.....
imo,ricky`s the boxing equivalent of the captain of the exxon valdez in this one....
still,i say it`s a smart move...the payday will be ourageous..he`ll fight his heart out and retire a hero.....at least i hopr that`s what happens... i hope he doesn`t get worn down and embarrassed...
.tony i love you to death....but man.....hatton`s had one fight at 147...and it was almost a disaster...i think he actually LOST to collazo...at 140,i might think a little,because i hate laying odds....but 147?
i don`t love mayweather...i don`t even actually like hm...but,how does ricky beat mayweather...particularly at 147?...he does he cope with that speed?...vs a guy that`s shown that he CAN beat bigger guys like dlh...a guy that has a height and reach advantage....
in vegas....not manchester...
i think i just kicked it up to -310....sorry...
my problem is that i`m not a big wagerer....i don`t keep an enormous balance....and i hate tying up money on a fight that`s 5 months down the road with football on the horizon.....
i really don`t know how hatton can win this......maybe a body shot?....
at 147?...away from manchester?...vs mayweather?....
.like him or not,mayweather`s speed and reflexes place him in rarified air....a smaller guy like hatton`s not gonna do what a dlh couldn`t.....
imo,ricky`s the boxing equivalent of the captain of the exxon valdez in this one....
still,i say it`s a smart move...the payday will be ourageous..he`ll fight his heart out and retire a hero.....at least i hopr that`s what happens... i hope he doesn`t get worn down and embarrassed...
I wouldn't bet Hatton in this fight if i was getting 20-1. You guys are crazy. The Castillo fight was a joke. Just watch it again. He just quit. He started hitting Hatton and all the sudden the highest low blow in the history of boxing was called against him. If Hatton lands one punch against Mayweather it will be one punch more than i thought he could. Just the thought of Mayweather already talking about hitting Hatton to the body shows me he knows Hattons weaknesses. Hatton is gonna look silly in this and probably fall to the ground a few times when he tries to grab and Mayweather is no where to be found. If this was Cotto then we would possible have a fight. You sure some of you just like Hatton because Mayweather acts like a spoiled dick? You have to look past that. I Know i will.
i said i wouldnt bet Hatton at plus 20-1. I never said i would bet Mayweather at 25 to 1. If someone put a gun to my head and said if you lose this bet you are finished and the choices were taking Mayweather at 25 to 1 or take Hatton at plus 20 to 1. Id take Mayweather.
Let me make this a little clearer because i think a lot of guys make this mistake with gambling. If i think, like this fight, the other fighter has no shot i don't care what the odds are im not taking the fighter who i think has no chance. You could give me fifty to 1 and i still wouldnt take Hatton. Now if i thought the fight could be close and the dog has a chance i would take a shot on the dog. Im not gonna bet a underdog just because of lines.
sponge thats just crazy- hatton is undefeated as well - mayweather is beatable- I have no prolem with you thinking that mayweather will win but u talk like hatton is harry poter. it will be a much more competitive fight than u think-- i cant wait 4 this to be finalyzed si I can make travel arrangements-
i believe that you make a mistake in not taking Hatton 50 to 1.
Anyway i just wanted to make my point that i have a strong feeling that there are alot better betting opportunities around than Mayweather at -300.
You still wanna get down hard on Mayweather no problem.
I appreciate the input Tony. Trust me, I'm not exactly taking the money out of my kids college fund. I have a fairly sizable profit this year and I'll be making installments on the wager over the course of the next 4 mnths. I'm not a narrow minded bettor in the least. I consider all options and don't believe any one fighter is unbeatable. Oscar could have beat Floyd but he fought a dumb fight. I also NEVER place a wager that I'm not willing to part with. As a fight fan I'd love nothing more than to see Hatton kick floyds ass. I've seen all of Hattons televised fights and consider myself a pretty big fan of his. He gets ALOT of unjustified criticism in the states. That being said, I believe floyd is just in another class. I can see hatton making it interesting and intriguing in the early going but Floyd is going to turn it up and pour it on. I don't agree that Hatton is neccessarily the hungrier fighter as a few suggested. Floyd trained like an animal for Gatti and Oscar and there is no reason to think he won't be as prepared for Hatton. I agree Floyd won't be able to get away from Hatton as he did against Baldy and Castillo but I'm not so convinced Floyd will try to get away so much. Those guys were slow so Floyd made it less risky and easy by staying on the outside. Floyd is very talented in the pocket and a few well placed shots to Hattons body will make Hatton think twice about the inside. The best Hatton is simply not as good as the best Floyd. IMO, I think -300 or so is a decnt bargain.
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Wow that was by far the most delusional post I've ever read...you just lost all credibility for not being objective. You probably had a Hatton headband on and Blue Moon playing in the background while posting that
The key to sports gambling is being objective, but you clearly don't understand that concept, and staring at the Hatton posters on your wall won't help at all
gl...homer
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ok boxlocks- it seems u are the site boxing god- waht is your take on the fight???- sounds like u think PBF wins if he was fighting with one hand. aslo thnks for the gambling advice
