I hope so I have had 3 jobs in the last year and all of them have moved out of country or going to move :sadwave: :moon: :cursin:
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I thought it was a fairly strong speech by Kerry. Didn't know what to expect, but overall, I liked it. At least more than I thought I would.
I agree Dr. Freeze. Money he wants to give for stem cell research, 40000 more troops, health care, forcing drug companies to reduce prices and the killer was opening up Canada for drug purchases. I mean these are American companies and he wants people to buy drugs from other countries. Talk about outsourcing. Whose going to pay for this. I can agree with the extra troops but all this other stuff. Our taxes are going to be 45%. I would think that you would have liked his statement about doctors practicing medicine and not insurance companies. Funny he didn't say anything about lawyers though.
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Go Johnny Go! Sounds great! Strong defense, affordable healthcare, NO privatized Social Security or cutting of benefits, some kind of incentives to revitalize manufacturing, some type of incentive to keep companies in the US, closing some type of tax loophole to keep jobs in the US, no dependence on foreign oil, make sure the gimmie generation has cheap drugs, some kind of investment in technology and innovation that will create the good-paying jobs of the future, a fair playing field for workers, and won't raise taxes on the middle class. Instead, he will cut middle-class taxes. He will reduce the tax burden on small business, and he will roll back the tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals who make over $200,000 a year, so we can invest in health care, education and job creation.
I think I also heard him say that he could make a dollar out of $.15.
I think I also heard him say that he could make a dollar out of $.15.
If he can find away not to spend like GW and pull some of it off. Thats tough to do but it sounds better then pissing it away as we did last 3 years and got little or nothing for it. If your going to spend it getting folks back to work. Well at least there paying taxes and not living off you and me. The governments going to spend it guys. The government always has. Some in office such as Bush just over spend. As long as there spending lets make sure we use it for us here at home. We cant save the world. And places like Iraq have wealth called oil they can pay there way.
Wolf, you've written a pretty accurate synopsis, just curious which ideas you think are bad? By gimmee generation are you referring to the greatest generation? Several wwII veterans well into their 80' s go to Canada for their medically pertinent medications, you agree with that? Do you know the gross mark ups on these drugs? Its legalized extortion, anyone thinking otherwise is ill informed.
Again freeze you should know better, government encouraging out sourcing of jobs is only selling the soul of the country.
Again freeze you should know better, government encouraging out sourcing of jobs is only selling the soul of the country.
Sham- (which is what that speech was) - how in the world is the RICH going to pay for everything? Also, how is all the above (except defense) a function of government?
Gimmie Generation - According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property are eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately, we call it theft. When it's done collectively, we use euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution.
Regardless of the purpose, such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all, what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, Social Security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.
The moral question stands out in starker relief when we acknowledge that those spending programs coming out of Congress do not represent lawmakers reaching into their own pockets and sending out the money. Moreover, there's no tooth fairy or Santa Claus giving them the money. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces us to acknowledge that the only way government can give one American a dollar is to first -- through intimidation, threats and coercion -- take that dollar from some other American. ?Walter Williams
Gimmie Generation - According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property are eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately, we call it theft. When it's done collectively, we use euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution.
Regardless of the purpose, such behavior is immoral. It's a reduced form of slavery. After all, what is the essence of slavery? It's the forceful use of one person to serve the purposes of another person. When Congress, through the tax code, takes the earnings of one person and turns around to give it to another person in the forms of prescription drugs, Social Security, food stamps, farm subsidies or airline bailouts, it is forcibly using one person to serve the purposes of another.
The moral question stands out in starker relief when we acknowledge that those spending programs coming out of Congress do not represent lawmakers reaching into their own pockets and sending out the money. Moreover, there's no tooth fairy or Santa Claus giving them the money. The fact that government has no resources of its very own forces us to acknowledge that the only way government can give one American a dollar is to first -- through intimidation, threats and coercion -- take that dollar from some other American. ?Walter Williams
I still say guys spend it here at home. I don't care how much they take just spend it here. Freedom is not cheap and I and you are lucky to have and live where we do. But pissing my money away overseas is BS. I would rather they walk up and give it to the homeless even if they don't do a dam thing for it. Because were giving it away now to those who don't do a dam thing for it anyway. Might as well give it to our own folks.
turf, are you a professor by chance? Just curious. So its your contention my friend there is no middle ground between what your equating with slavery, and what I know infatically to be legalized extortion. That is, to price a medically necessary drug for ones existence 10x, sometimes 50x its cost to produce, simply because it is in fact essential for life.
what is your ideals on quality jobs being out source to inferior countries for no other reason but cheaper labor? where does this fall under Marxist ideology. Let's say all the Serfs in your kingdom are fired from their various jobs because you can have all your products & materials produced by Dr. freezes Serfs at a fraction of the price. What then happens with the millions of idle, non working Serfs As they starve etc. etc. I would say they probably revolt no? I believe the French & Russians learned this lesson, it was called revolution.
what is your ideals on quality jobs being out source to inferior countries for no other reason but cheaper labor? where does this fall under Marxist ideology. Let's say all the Serfs in your kingdom are fired from their various jobs because you can have all your products & materials produced by Dr. freezes Serfs at a fraction of the price. What then happens with the millions of idle, non working Serfs As they starve etc. etc. I would say they probably revolt no? I believe the French & Russians learned this lesson, it was called revolution.
those jobs being outsourced are not high quality jobs....and when they are outsourced...it is so Americans can make more money....
so you have more $$ in America demanding more services....get a clue and adjust to the times and you can make more $$ than you did before
with the outsourcing of blue collar jobs you have outsourcing of markets....more $$ for US companies, more $$ at home, better jobs for our workers
similar arguments were made by the guys who thought the computer was going to take their job
adapt Cowboys....we dont need big brother to take care of us
so you have more $$ in America demanding more services....get a clue and adjust to the times and you can make more $$ than you did before
with the outsourcing of blue collar jobs you have outsourcing of markets....more $$ for US companies, more $$ at home, better jobs for our workers
similar arguments were made by the guys who thought the computer was going to take their job
adapt Cowboys....we dont need big brother to take care of us
I think what you have written freeze is there contention, its not working however. In the grand scam freeze not everyone has the ability to attend colleges such as you & I, I know my alma is now well over $30 thousand a year (small ivy school). Those out source jobs would be ideal second jobs for some middle class working folks.
You didn't say anything regarding drugs? What do you feel about the current legal extortion system. You know, the drug reps buy the good doctor & all his staff lunch, dinner, send them on vacations, Cars etc. etc. to push expensive grossly over priced medicine.
You didn't say anything regarding drugs? What do you feel about the current legal extortion system. You know, the drug reps buy the good doctor & all his staff lunch, dinner, send them on vacations, Cars etc. etc. to push expensive grossly over priced medicine.
Doc your a little wrong. Come to my town where 228 jobs are going to China. Pay including Benni's is about $18 a hour. What get to replace them so far. A giant Wall Mart at $6.50. You have a student loan you say. I bet your pissed at the break in interest you been getting. I'm sure you understand why.
Turf, don"t act like you have your head up your ass. You rather Bush pissed your money away over seas. I'm sure they will except all extra you wish to send them. I rather help my own right here at home.
Turf, don"t act like you have your head up your ass. You rather Bush pissed your money away over seas. I'm sure they will except all extra you wish to send them. I rather help my own right here at home.
these vacations you speak of are long gone.....and i never head anything about cars....some medical centers ban drug reps from campuses...
most FP's or Int. Med doctors DO get lunch for them and staff...however these are the guys that are really squeezed by the current system so I dont see much wrong with it...they get kept up to date on drugs this way...most drug reps come in an bash the other drugs so you can here what is wrong with other drugs along with biased information on the drug reps' drugs.....
never met a doc who didnt prescribe each patient the best med for them....that fits in the insurance plans anyway...
these drug reps always drop off samples too and doctors liberally give them away for those who have a hard time financially....drug companies know the system is in trouble and bend to help it....its in their best interest to not see it collaps.....once again the invisble hand at work....
by the way....i got friends who didnt go to college making 6 figures easy....started out working hard doing labor, became a subcontractor and then contracting....
hard work pays off...thats how America should always be
also speaking of college: your ivy league school which costs 30grand/ year....that education is not worth it to most folks...you are correct...so that is why they choose not to go....
well if it isn't worth it for them to go...why would the government pay for it? (are we so programmed for the government to give us things that we now even beg for things that are not worth it?)
most FP's or Int. Med doctors DO get lunch for them and staff...however these are the guys that are really squeezed by the current system so I dont see much wrong with it...they get kept up to date on drugs this way...most drug reps come in an bash the other drugs so you can here what is wrong with other drugs along with biased information on the drug reps' drugs.....
never met a doc who didnt prescribe each patient the best med for them....that fits in the insurance plans anyway...
these drug reps always drop off samples too and doctors liberally give them away for those who have a hard time financially....drug companies know the system is in trouble and bend to help it....its in their best interest to not see it collaps.....once again the invisble hand at work....
by the way....i got friends who didnt go to college making 6 figures easy....started out working hard doing labor, became a subcontractor and then contracting....
hard work pays off...thats how America should always be
also speaking of college: your ivy league school which costs 30grand/ year....that education is not worth it to most folks...you are correct...so that is why they choose not to go....
well if it isn't worth it for them to go...why would the government pay for it? (are we so programmed for the government to give us things that we now even beg for things that are not worth it?)
