Hey Liberals: DUDE? WHERE'S MY CIVIL WAR??

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:nono: Liberal slanted media never tells the truth about the conditions in Iraq.....they are liars....



DUDE? WHERE'S MY CIVIL WAR?
by Ralph Peters

March 5, 2006 -- BAGHDAD

I'm trying! I've been trying all week. The other day, I drove another 30 miles or so on the streets and alleys of Baghdad. I'm looking for the civil war that The New York Times declared. And I just can't find it.

Maybe actually being on the ground in Iraq prevents me from seeing it. Perhaps the view's clearer from Manhattan. It could be that my background as an intelligence officer didn't give me the right skills.

And riding around with the U.S. Army, looking at things first-hand, is certainly a technique to which The New York Times wouldn't stoop in such an hour of crisis.

Let me tell you what I saw anyway. Rolling with the "instant Infantry" gunners of the 1st Platoon of Bravo Battery, 4-320 Field Artillery, I saw children and teenagers in a Shia slum jumping up and down and cheering our troops as they drove by. Cheering our troops.

All day - and it was a long day - we drove through Shia and Sunni neighborhoods. Everywhere, the reception was warm. No violence. None.

And no hostility toward our troops. Iraqis went out of their way to tell us we were welcome.

Instead of a civil war, something very different happened because of the bombing of the Golden Mosque in Samarra. The fanatic attempt to stir up Sunni-vs.-Shia strife, and the subsequent spate of violent attacks, caused popular support for the U.S. presence to spike upward.

Think Abu Musab al-Zarqawi intended that?

In place of the civil war that elements in our media declared, I saw full streets, open shops, traffic jams, donkey carts, Muslim holiday flags - and children everywhere, waving as our Humvees passed. Even the clouds of dust we stirred up didn't deter them. And the presence of children in the streets is the best possible indicator of a low threat level.

Southeast Baghdad, at least, was happy to see our troops.

And we didn't just drive past them. First Lt. Clenn Frost, the platoon leader, took every opportunity to dismount and mingle with the people. Women brought their children out of their compound gates to say hello. A local sheik spontaneously invited us into his garden for colas and sesame biscuits.

It wasn't the Age of Aquarius. The people had serious concerns. And security was No. 1. They wanted the Americans to crack down harder on the foreign terrorists and to disarm the local militias. Iraqis don't like and don't support the militias, Shia or Sunni, which are nothing more than armed gangs.

Help's on the way, if slowly. The Iraqi Army has confounded its Western critics, performing extremely well last week. And the people trust their new army to an encouraging degree. The Iraqi police aren't all the way there yet, and the population doesn't yet have much confidence in them. But all of this takes time.

And even the police are making progress. We took a team of them with us so they could train beside our troops. We visited a Public Order Battalion - a gendarmerie outfit - that reeked of sloth and carelessness. But the regular Iraqi Police outfit down the road proved surprisingly enthusiastic and professional. It's just an uneven, difficult, frustrating process.

So what did I learn from a day in the dust and muck of Baghdad's less-desirable boroughs? As the long winter twilight faded into haze and the fires of the busy shawarma stands blazed in the fresh night, I felt that Iraq was headed, however awkwardly, in the right direction.

The country may still see a civil war one day. But not just yet, thanks. Violence continues. A roadside bomb was found in the next sector to the west. There will be more deaths, including some of our own troops. But Baghdad's vibrant life has not been killed. And the people of Iraq just might surprise us all.

So why were we told that Iraq was irreversibly in the throes of civil war when it wasn't remotely true? I think the answers are straightforward. First, of course, some parties in the West are anxious to believe the worst about Iraq. They've staked their reputations on Iraq's failure.

But there's no way we can let irresponsible journalists off the hook - or their parent organizations. Many journalists are, indeed, brave and conscientious; yet some in Baghdad - working for "prestigious" publications - aren't out on the city streets the way they pretend to be.

They're safe in their enclaves, protected by hired guns, complaining that it's too dangerous out on the streets. They're only in Baghdad for the byline, and they might as well let their Iraqi employees phone it in to the States. Whenever you see a column filed from Baghdad by a semi-celeb journalist with a "contribution" by a local Iraqi, it means this: The Iraqi went out and got the story, while the journalist stayed in his or her room.

And the Iraqi stringers have cracked the code: The Americans don't pay for good news. So they exaggerate the bad.

And some of them have agendas of their own.

A few days ago, a wild claim that the Baghdad morgue held 1,300 bodies was treated as Gospel truth. Yet Iraqis exaggerate madly and often have partisan interests. Did any Western reporter go to that morgue and count the bodies - a rough count would have done it - before telling the world the news?

I doubt it.

If reporters really care, it's easy to get out on the streets of Baghdad. The 506th Infantry Regiment - and other great military units - will take journalists on their patrols virtually anywhere in the city. Our troops are great to work with. (Of course, there's the danger of becoming infected with patriot- ism . . .)

I'm just afraid that some of our journalists don't want to know the truth anymore.

For me, though, memories of Baghdad will be the cannoneers of the 1st Platoon walking the dusty, reeking alleys of Baghdad. I'll recall 1st Lt. Frost conducting diplomacy with the locals and leading his men through a date-palm grove in a search for insurgent mortar sites.

I'll remember that lieutenant investigating the murder of a Sunni mullah during last week's disturbances, cracking down on black-marketers, checking up on sewer construction, reassuring citizens - and generally doing the job of a lieutenant-colonel in peacetime.

Oh, and I'll remember those "radical Shias" cheering our patrol as we passed by.

*Ralph Peters is reporting from Forward Operating Base Loyalty, where he's been riding with the 506th Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne Division.
 

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Exactly right, another slant by the media to get the general public to believe that this was happening.

Say it and report it enough times and people will believe it.
 

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Interesting. I Googled Mr. Peters to check on his objectivity. He is a retired Army officer that has appeared extensively in pro-right slanted media outlets and publications, so I hardly think this proves anything other than his personal agenda, does it? It certainly doesn't make other stories a lie, anymore than it makes his slant "right". I see this story appeared in the NY Post...Can't imagine they would have any reason to try to paint the NY Times in a bad light, would they? :rolleyes:

Here's one of the many pro-right books authored by this writer: New Glory: Expanding America's Global Supremacy.

Thanks for showing us what you consider to be a truthful, balanced source.
 
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Mayb he's missing it. Looks like every day they kill more of each other then our soldiers. How many in last three weeks? Over 325.
Let's call it love!
 

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Chadman said:
Here's one of the many pro-right books authored by this writer: New Glory: Expanding America's Global Supremacy.

Thanks for showing us what you consider to be a truthful, balanced source.
Chad, while agree that Peters is hardly an unbiased reporter, New Glory: Expanding America's Global Supremacy is a novel.
 
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Add another 62 dead for the last weekend. None killed by our Soldiers. And new update for Feb is over 500. It's pure love in Iraq.
 

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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/46031

'Iraqi Gandhi' Preaches Slightly Less Violence

March 6, 2006 | Issue 42?10

BAGHDAD?In schools and coffeehouses, parlors and public squares, Iraqis are discussing and debating the revolutionary teachings of activist Iyad al-Naqib, who is being hailed by some as the "Iraqi Mahatma Gandhi" for his commitment to practicing "a bit less severe" forms of violence against infidels and crusaders.

Known for sayings such as "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind, so extract a pinky for an eye," al-Naqib, 46, is both praised and vilified throughout the Muslim world for his radical, slightly less violent teachings.
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Al-Naqib asks Allah to end just a little of the violence in his country.

Al-Naqib's followers are instructed to bomb discos on weeknights, when they are less crowded, and to equip suicide bombers with hand grenades rather than multiple sticks of TNT.

Such views earned al-Naqib this year's Mideast Peace Prize, an award administered by the Yemeni government and presented to individuals credited with encouraging what its literature characterizes as "anything remotely close to a rough approximation of peace in the region."

"In a time when East and West seem to be hurtling toward mutual ruin, it is refreshing to hear a somewhat reasonable voice of semi-moderation from within the chaos," said Basra-based scholar Ahmed Sha'lan, who was jailed for publishing pamphlets by al-Naqib. "His followers are fighting a revolution through non-all-out violence."

A former lawyer, al-Naqib developed his less-violence views after spending several years working for the Iraqi Embassy in Istanbul, where, during a fire-bombing, he was able to resolve an ongoing conflict with an American ambassador through a fistfight. The semiviolent means?which left his victim with severe brain hemorrhaging and forced him to return to the U.S. for medical care?awakened al-Naqib to the potential of somewhat-less-extreme violent resistance.

"Violence is not the solution," al-Naqib wrote in his breakthrough 1998 treatise Practicing Semiviolence. "It is only approximately 19/20ths of the solution. We should not work toward the total annihilation of all who oppose us?just some of them. And perhaps it is best we practice occasional mercy for the innocent, such as the young, who can easily recuperate."

In a 2003 interview with British newspaper The Guardian, al-Naqib said that the "decadent immorality of Western civilization must be almost, but not quite, wiped off the face of the earth."

"Al-Naqib truly is a great, influential teacher," Sha'lan said. "His doctrine of 'slightly less violence' and 'passive involvement in the violence of others' has resonated throughout the Muslim world and is well on its way to becoming a full-fledged mass movement."
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The site of an al-Naqib car bombing, which took place a good distance from a crowded shopping center.

Sha'lan added: "As babu says, 'I denounce those who kill vast numbers, for the death of a few?the death of even one, if that one is well-chosen?spreads my message far and wide."

As with many political dissidents who dare to speak out, al-Naqib has paid for his beliefs. He was imprisoned for two days for criticizing the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, saying that it would have sufficed to bring down just one of the towers.

"You should be the change that you want to see in the world," al-Naqib said. "I am prepared to die for my life of slightly less violence, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill thousands of people when it will suffice to simply blow their legs off."
 
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Add 51 more today. Lets hope it stops soon. This is our 412 billion going down the chit hole.
 
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Dude, apparently your civil war is getting a lot closer than you think. Perhaps you should stop reading from only one right-wing apologist and look at what is really happening over there:

Iraq Edges Closer to Open Civil Warfare
By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writers Wed Mar 15, 6:29 AM ET

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi authorities discovered at least 87 corpses ? men shot to death execution-style ? as Iraq edged closer to open civil warfare. Twenty-nine of the bodies, dressed only in underwear, were dug out of a single grave Tuesday in a Shiite neighborhood of Baghdad.

The entire story here, taken from several sources and writers highlighting recent events in the country -

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/iraq
 

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Chad, it looks like Charles mom took his computer away for a while.
Or he's waiting for two good days in a row in Iraq. I wish him luck.
 
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djv said:
Chad, it looks like Charles mom took his computer away for a while.
Or he's waiting for two good days in a row in Iraq. I wish him luck.

Maybe he enlisted?.........Nah. :mj07: :mj07:
 

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I already challenged Manson to enlist. He said he was too old. I told him that didn't stop the 70+ year old woman from volunterring and working in the Baghdad PX. He then replied with something about mass graves and quote form Clinton in 1992.
 

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I also read an article showing how the armed services are not taking uneducated people much anymore, either. I'm not sayin'...I'm jes sayin'.
 

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When you metion dead Iraqi's please make sure to include the 400,000 dead Iraqis who taken out to the desert by Saddam and shot and buried ok DJV??? Thanks.
 

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smurphy said:
I already challenged Manson to enlist. He said he was too old. I told him that didn't stop the 70+ year old woman from volunterring and working in the Baghdad PX. He then replied with something about mass graves and quote form Clinton in 1992.

We already went thru this. If I support the war I must enlist to go to Iraq? I asked you why you didn't enlist during the first gulf war if you supported it. You said you were too busy studying in college and you didn't know enough about the first gulf war to sign up for it. What a liar lol.
 

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I did not run around calling everyone against the Gulf War a liberal socialist. Your inability to put 2 and 2 together is ridiculous. You think every number adds up to 400,000.

And you dont have an excuse not to join. You can work at the PX. Your notstop idiotic babble is toothless without you showing at least a hint of actual toughness. You are an empty farce.
 
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He forgets to say we do not know how many if it was even 400000. We here any where from 40000 were killed. And how many by Iran. And how many might have been left by Iran. There was a war on. But if they keep up 300/500 a week as now. They will get more fast.
Sunday paper today said it was maybe 30000, sure you saw that CM. For sure even 2 or 3 is wrong. But when you have a place killing has gone on for hundreds of years. Hard to deside witch parties were best at it.
 
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all the dissenting energy here spent by you antiwar activists should go towards running for public office and trying to make a difference in that manner. (maybe abreast of pelosi, boxer et al?), since most of you believe people supporting the Iraqi war should enlist. Unfair comparison?
 
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