Hey Spanky,
Would you hire a black man that wears his hat sideways if he was the best man for the job?
Would you hire a black man that wears his hat sideways if he was the best man for the job?
How Stupid Are Basketball Players These Days ??
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There's two ways to look at an hourglass.....half empty or half
full........a ball cap turned sideways or a book full of good deeds
by Shaq........there is good and bad around every corner......
which do you want to focus on in your life........I'll guarantee you
whichever you focus on is how your life will unfold........
full........a ball cap turned sideways or a book full of good deeds
by Shaq........there is good and bad around every corner......
which do you want to focus on in your life........I'll guarantee you
whichever you focus on is how your life will unfold........
Billy, In my Company, wearing a 'baseball style' cap des NOT CONFORM to the IMAGE our team represents.
To repeat, for those that can't comprehend the simple facts, my BEST and longest with my firm,she is black, BUT ,the best person for the job !!!! Just read a little slower,you might understand.
And 34 year old Childs thought the Raptos were down by 4 points,so he did'nt bother going after a late reb. good ,smart play at $4 million per !!!!! Moron. I suggest school may assist in reading a clock !!! Good thing the G.M., Grunwald went to Italy to watch the Final 4 over there.. Why watch YOUR team in game 5 ??? Another Idiot !!!!
To repeat, for those that can't comprehend the simple facts, my BEST and longest with my firm,she is black, BUT ,the best person for the job !!!! Just read a little slower,you might understand.
And 34 year old Childs thought the Raptos were down by 4 points,so he did'nt bother going after a late reb. good ,smart play at $4 million per !!!!! Moron. I suggest school may assist in reading a clock !!! Good thing the G.M., Grunwald went to Italy to watch the Final 4 over there.. Why watch YOUR team in game 5 ??? Another Idiot !!!!
to Kosar, FUZZY NUTZ, juice, and everyone else......
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?! My friends you are vastly disillusioned. The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue. I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture. What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott? What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?
Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist. If that is the case look in your own backyard.
You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist.
How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of rascism in a song performed by an all black band?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.
I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that. I have friends and they know who they are, they are comfortable in their own skin and I am comfortable with them. I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted. I personally believe O.J. is innocent and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic
just my opinion
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?! My friends you are vastly disillusioned. The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue. I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture. What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott? What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?
Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist. If that is the case look in your own backyard.
You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist.
How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of rascism in a song performed by an all black band?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.
I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that. I have friends and they know who they are, they are comfortable in their own skin and I am comfortable with them. I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted. I personally believe O.J. is innocent and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic
I have a problem with anyone wearing a cap sideways, especially a Raiders cap or anything else that signifies inclusion in a gang or passes the wrong message to anyone. I have been a victim of Gangland violence and nearly lost my life over it. So don't preach to me that the world owes any body anything. Spanky is absolutely correct in voicing his opinion adn it takes a bigot to know a bigot, it takes a rascist to know a rascist. Rae Carruth isn't in jail because hes black! He is there because he is a murderer. Tell me one more thing what has Chris Childs ever done for you personally that you would automatically grant him a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that he isn't a gangsta, and automatically jump on spanky. Rose colored glasses cloud your vision and judgement. Leave judgement to the big guy upstairs and check your own feelings at the door before you accuse someone of being what your preconceived notions are.
just my opinion
fat d,
you seem to have a case of diarrhea of the mouth today
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?!
yes
My friends you are vastly disillusioned.
very far from disillusioned
The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue.
i agree with you about farrakhan and jesse jackson, but what does this have to do with anything about wearing a hat sideways or thugs in the nba?
I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture.
a comedy routine has nothing to do with this topic, but to answer your question, no i wouldn't be offended about a comedy routine that had any ethnic slurs.
What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott?
no i wouldn't boycott, but i would not be a customer of this company
What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?
kkk and skin heads have this covered. however, it is their right as americans to have freedom of speech.
Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist.
if that was all he said than i probably wouldn't think he was racist, but why does he have to add statements to the effect of i love people of color, etc. nick was 110% correct when he said that people who say those types of things are usually closet racists. not to mention that spanky, dr. sleeze and yourself have not given 1 example of this so called thug mentality that you say exists in the nba.
If that is the case look in your own backyard.You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist. How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of racism in a song performed by an all black band?
WTF? what does this have to do with anything?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
don't buy the clothes if you don't like the company
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.
your point is??
I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that.
i was waiting for spanky to say this
I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted.
isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? you seem to love to ramble on about race
I personally believe O.J. is innocent
and you are calling us disillusioned??
and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic
WTF? your point is?
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Some people are clearly uncomfortable with the notion of young, black, rich athletes expressing themselves as they will(even something as offensive as wearing a cap sideways). I realize that this is a function of ingrained parental beliefs and social ignorance, but that doesn't make it any more palatable.
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I have a problem with anyone wearing a cap sideways, especially a Raiders cap or anything else that signifies inclusion in a gang or passes the wrong message to anyone.
it is your opinion that wearing a hat sideways sends the wrong message. this was the reason why i even responded to this in the first place was because some old guy from canada was passing judgment on someone who he doesn't know because of the way he was we wearing a hat
So don't preach to me that the world owes any body anything.
who the hell has tried to preach to you??
Rae Carruth isn't in jail because hes black! He is there because he is a murderer.
no shit, your point is?
Tell me one more thing what has Chris Childs ever done for you personally that you would automatically grant him a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that he isn't a gangsta, and automatically jump on spanky.
nothing personally, but spanky was trying to make him seem like a dumb nigga
Rose colored glasses cloud your vision and judgment. Leave judgment to the big guy upstairs and check your own feelings at the door before you accuse someone of being what your preconceived notions are.
just my opinion
as a man who is half irish and half jamacian, i can see things from both a white and black perspective. the thing i can not tolerate is people who make blanket statements that apply to everyone. if you think there is a "gangsta" mentality in the nba then back up what you say with evidence, but it is unfair to judge people based on what they wear.
you seem to have a case of diarrhea of the mouth today
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?!
yes
My friends you are vastly disillusioned.
very far from disillusioned
The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue.
i agree with you about farrakhan and jesse jackson, but what does this have to do with anything about wearing a hat sideways or thugs in the nba?
I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture.
a comedy routine has nothing to do with this topic, but to answer your question, no i wouldn't be offended about a comedy routine that had any ethnic slurs.
What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott?
no i wouldn't boycott, but i would not be a customer of this company
What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?
kkk and skin heads have this covered. however, it is their right as americans to have freedom of speech.
Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist.
if that was all he said than i probably wouldn't think he was racist, but why does he have to add statements to the effect of i love people of color, etc. nick was 110% correct when he said that people who say those types of things are usually closet racists. not to mention that spanky, dr. sleeze and yourself have not given 1 example of this so called thug mentality that you say exists in the nba.
If that is the case look in your own backyard.You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist. How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of racism in a song performed by an all black band?
WTF? what does this have to do with anything?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
don't buy the clothes if you don't like the company
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.
your point is??
I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that.
i was waiting for spanky to say this
I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted.
isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? you seem to love to ramble on about race
I personally believe O.J. is innocent
and you are calling us disillusioned??
and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic
WTF? your point is?
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Some people are clearly uncomfortable with the notion of young, black, rich athletes expressing themselves as they will(even something as offensive as wearing a cap sideways). I realize that this is a function of ingrained parental beliefs and social ignorance, but that doesn't make it any more palatable.
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I have a problem with anyone wearing a cap sideways, especially a Raiders cap or anything else that signifies inclusion in a gang or passes the wrong message to anyone.
it is your opinion that wearing a hat sideways sends the wrong message. this was the reason why i even responded to this in the first place was because some old guy from canada was passing judgment on someone who he doesn't know because of the way he was we wearing a hat
So don't preach to me that the world owes any body anything.
who the hell has tried to preach to you??
Rae Carruth isn't in jail because hes black! He is there because he is a murderer.
no shit, your point is?
Tell me one more thing what has Chris Childs ever done for you personally that you would automatically grant him a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that he isn't a gangsta, and automatically jump on spanky.
nothing personally, but spanky was trying to make him seem like a dumb nigga
Rose colored glasses cloud your vision and judgment. Leave judgment to the big guy upstairs and check your own feelings at the door before you accuse someone of being what your preconceived notions are.
just my opinion
as a man who is half irish and half jamacian, i can see things from both a white and black perspective. the thing i can not tolerate is people who make blanket statements that apply to everyone. if you think there is a "gangsta" mentality in the nba then back up what you say with evidence, but it is unfair to judge people based on what they wear.
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Dear Mr. Fuzzy Nutz,
My point is this...you pointed your finger without foundation and made unfounded and somewhat ignorant statements about a mans character, simply for the sake of feeding your own ego. This is only my opinion and I am not looking to argue with you on the subject. I will say that No man should be considered, called, accused, or stereotyped as a rascist, simply because he doesn't approve of anothers appearance. You are not in a position to do that, you DO NOT have the right to judge another man when you don't even know him, or label him a rascist because of some cliche drivel posted by Nick Douglass.
Answer this before you respond ...Nick ..what study are you taking that from please provide references and a rudimentary bibliography for that irresponsible statement you made about another mans character. Did you do the study yourself? If so when, where, what did the control group consist of? What was the median age of the group? What is your error margin? I will tell you something, people freely open there mouths and say idiotic things about another mans integrity based on stupidity and ignorance and then you question where My proof is??? I don't need any, you already supplied it all.
not a religion, please re-read statement before trying to make a mockery of mine.
....maybe spanky felt he had to add a disclaimer, which he obviously did. People who accuse people of being closet rascists simply because Society has forced him to add a disclaimer because of all the thin skinned, I'm not a rascist but you are because I detect a hint of something that I should be offended by, types are usually a good indication of a rascist, therefore you Fuzzy are a rascist. I can make stupid summations also. So iI must be right about you because I say so.
I was simply responding to the race card YOU and OTHERs threw out there.
I never said there is thug mentality in the NBA, I do however think there are thugs, but I do not and certainly never said that there is a mentality that perverts the NBA, only you said that my friend as you seem to like to twist words for your benefit. Furthermore you and juice and others have not given me one example of prejudicial, or rascists statements made by spanky or myself. I believe the only prejudiced statement that screams rascist to me is:
funny I didn't get that from the message, but I guess if you are predisposed to the position that everytime someone white mentions black people in a post or professes ignorance of race, color or creed, then they are rascists simply because you have a biased mindset, assumption of bigotry without foundation must seem logical to you.
My point is this...you pointed your finger without foundation and made unfounded and somewhat ignorant statements about a mans character, simply for the sake of feeding your own ego. This is only my opinion and I am not looking to argue with you on the subject. I will say that No man should be considered, called, accused, or stereotyped as a rascist, simply because he doesn't approve of anothers appearance. You are not in a position to do that, you DO NOT have the right to judge another man when you don't even know him, or label him a rascist because of some cliche drivel posted by Nick Douglass.
Answer this before you respond ...Nick ..what study are you taking that from please provide references and a rudimentary bibliography for that irresponsible statement you made about another mans character. Did you do the study yourself? If so when, where, what did the control group consist of? What was the median age of the group? What is your error margin? I will tell you something, people freely open there mouths and say idiotic things about another mans integrity based on stupidity and ignorance and then you question where My proof is??? I don't need any, you already supplied it all.
---to Kosar, FUZZY NUTZ, juice, and everyone else......
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?!---
I really don't know about him being a rascist, fatdaddy, but i'm pretty sure that he has fullfilled his goal in this thread, and that includes eliciting your 'stock', Pavlov dog type of response that always appears by somebody in any of discussion of this nature. I could have written your response word for word, because it never fails that somebody will bust out with all of those 'arguments' when this subject comes up.
Strangely enough, none of what you wrote had anything to do with why a few people were annoyed with spanky's 'leaps of faith'. That is, how did we go from somebody wearing their hat backward to 'gangsta mentality', 'dreaming about guns in the final two minutes', 'killing people', 'seventh grade educations', Nick Douglas' black girlfriend being an 'illegal'.
If you can reasonably bridge those those gaps for me, I would appreciate it.
Let the canned, predictable, off-topic speech begin:
-- My friends you are vastly disillusioned. The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue. I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture. What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott? What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?--
I just don't get how any of this has the slightest thing to do with this thread or any of my comments.
---Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist. If that is the case look in your own backyard.---
How does a player wearing his hat sideways signify a 'thug mentality'? I don't think anybody called spanky a rascist, but he sure has a peculiar way in looking at people. He seems to be very quick to make assumptions about people. I have made no assumptions about him at all, as i have only looked at what he has written and deduced that he has yet to explain how he takes a player wearing his hat sideways and jumps to all the stuff i mentioned above. Any ideas on how to explain this, fatdad?
Begin Part II of the irrelevant rant:
---You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist.
How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of rascism in a song performed by an all black band?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.---
Wow! That chapter was all over the place! From John Wayne to Public Enemy to Eminem to FUBU to some Irish company that turns away Asians, or something. None of it the least bit relevant to the topic at hand, and most of it irrevelant, period. Have you ever heard of a 'strawman' argument?
---I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that.---
Of course you wouldn't. But you might just slip in how your wife is a 'different race' later in your post. Nah, you wouldn't do that either!
Chapter III:
---I have friends and they know who they are, they are comfortable in their own skin and I am comfortable with them. I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted. I personally believe O.J. is innocent and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic.---
Yes, *I* am the one being melodramatic. LMAO!! Any opinions on how we got from a mis-placed hat to gangsters?
---I have a problem with anyone wearing a cap sideways, especially a Raiders cap or anything else that signifies inclusion in a gang or passes the wrong message to anyone.---
Just kind of shaking my head at this one.
--- I have been a victim of Gangland violence and nearly lost my life over it. So don't preach to me that the world owes any body anything.---
This is getting even more bizarre. You took my post to be 'preaching to you' that the world owes anybody anything? I'm sorry about your run-in with gangland violence. What does that have to do with wearing a hat sideways?
---Spanky is absolutely correct in voicing his opinion adn it takes a bigot to know a bigot, it takes a rascist to know a rascist.---
Of course he is right to voice his opinion. This is America, how could it be wrong? Now if you would help me bridge the gaps in logic, I would be forever grateful. And that 'takes one to know one' crap is third grade drivel. Let alone the fact that I never called him those things. But that's how *you* would read it.
-- Rae Carruth isn't in jail because hes black! He is there because he is a murderer.---
That's right. Very good, fatdaddy! Where did *this* come from?
Silliest comment of the year just ahead:
---Tell me one more thing what has Chris Childs ever done for you personally that you would automatically grant him a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that he isn't a gangsta, and automatically jump on spanky.---
I don't even know what to say to this one. I guess i'll just chalk it up to a difference in how we look at people. I mean, wtf, does somebody have to do something 'personally' for *you* to grant them a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that they aren't a gangsta? I'm sorry man, that is one of the goofiest things that I have ever read. You must really have a jaded view of people if you cannot 'give them a measure of acceptance ' or assume that they 'aren't a gangsta' unless they personally do something for you.
--- Rose colored glasses cloud your vision and judgement. Leave judgement to the big guy upstairs and check your own feelings at the door before you accuse someone of being what your preconceived notions are.---
Ok man, i'll take your advice. I'll check my own feelings at the door?!?! Now, could you help me with something? What does wearing a piece of clothing a certain way have to do with all of the above things that I quoted from spankme and Dr. freeze?
Also, can you prove that 'the big man upstairs' has ever done anything 'personally' for you? Or is there a chance that he is a gangsta just like Chris Childs?
Peace out, blood!
give me a fuhkin break are you kidding me. You honestly believe that the statements made by Spanky qulifies him as a rascist?!?!?!?!---
I really don't know about him being a rascist, fatdaddy, but i'm pretty sure that he has fullfilled his goal in this thread, and that includes eliciting your 'stock', Pavlov dog type of response that always appears by somebody in any of discussion of this nature. I could have written your response word for word, because it never fails that somebody will bust out with all of those 'arguments' when this subject comes up.
Strangely enough, none of what you wrote had anything to do with why a few people were annoyed with spanky's 'leaps of faith'. That is, how did we go from somebody wearing their hat backward to 'gangsta mentality', 'dreaming about guns in the final two minutes', 'killing people', 'seventh grade educations', Nick Douglas' black girlfriend being an 'illegal'.
If you can reasonably bridge those those gaps for me, I would appreciate it.
Let the canned, predictable, off-topic speech begin:
-- My friends you are vastly disillusioned. The biggest bigot I know of is Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, and the rest of people that are hell bent on making everything a racial issue. I will never stand here and say that discrimination doesn't exist it does, in all forms, but answer me this. I am a stand up comedian lets say, I am going to spend an hour on stage making fun of black people and I am white, you mind. If I use the "N" word, or mic or spic or anything else will you be offended? How about if I imitate the way you talk in a funny matter so as to make light of your culture. What if I started a company that hired only white anglo saxon protestants? Would you boycott? What if I practiced and preached a religion that was exclusive to whites only?--
I just don't get how any of this has the slightest thing to do with this thread or any of my comments.
---Don't even feed me that superflous bullshit that just because spanky, who I don't even know, doesn't like the thug mentality that the players in the NBA portray, that he is a rascist. If that is the case look in your own backyard.---
How does a player wearing his hat sideways signify a 'thug mentality'? I don't think anybody called spanky a rascist, but he sure has a peculiar way in looking at people. He seems to be very quick to make assumptions about people. I have made no assumptions about him at all, as i have only looked at what he has written and deduced that he has yet to explain how he takes a player wearing his hat sideways and jumps to all the stuff i mentioned above. Any ideas on how to explain this, fatdad?
Begin Part II of the irrelevant rant:
---You own a Richard Pryor album where he makes fun of white people..then you are a rascist.
How about Public Enemy album..got one? I do. I must be a rascist. I have Fear of a Black Planet. I believe the lyrics to Fight the Power go something like.."Elvis..was a hero to most but he never meant sh*t to me...he was rascist and plain MOTHER Fuhk him and John Wayne" J. Wayne is an American icon to many yet he and another dead white erformer are now the subject of rascism in a song performed by an all black band?
Got clothes from FUBU? They don't hire any non African American employees and FUBU stands for "For us by Us". How about a company called AIC all Irish corp. and when an Asian applies for the job they will turn him away without so much as a look.
Nobody told Eminem to get up to the microphone when he won his Grammy and mispronounce words and use language that is strictly slang. There was not one person that went around to the audience and said to anyone...."doesn't he sound uneducated" that was just the impression he imprinted on me.---
Wow! That chapter was all over the place! From John Wayne to Public Enemy to Eminem to FUBU to some Irish company that turns away Asians, or something. None of it the least bit relevant to the topic at hand, and most of it irrevelant, period. Have you ever heard of a 'strawman' argument?
---I will not go on to say anything like I have a lot of black and asian friends or anything like that.---
Of course you wouldn't. But you might just slip in how your wife is a 'different race' later in your post. Nah, you wouldn't do that either!
Chapter III:
---I have friends and they know who they are, they are comfortable in their own skin and I am comfortable with them. I have never been able to figure out what it is that makes people that have or have not been a victim of discrimination to turn everything into race. It is childish and short sighted. I personally believe O.J. is innocent and that the beating of Rodney King was criminal and should have landed all those officers in prison. Now am I a rascist? I sure hope not because that would be very bad news for my ex who is not the same race as I am. Quit being so melodramatic.---
Yes, *I* am the one being melodramatic. LMAO!! Any opinions on how we got from a mis-placed hat to gangsters?
---I have a problem with anyone wearing a cap sideways, especially a Raiders cap or anything else that signifies inclusion in a gang or passes the wrong message to anyone.---
Just kind of shaking my head at this one.
--- I have been a victim of Gangland violence and nearly lost my life over it. So don't preach to me that the world owes any body anything.---
This is getting even more bizarre. You took my post to be 'preaching to you' that the world owes anybody anything? I'm sorry about your run-in with gangland violence. What does that have to do with wearing a hat sideways?
---Spanky is absolutely correct in voicing his opinion adn it takes a bigot to know a bigot, it takes a rascist to know a rascist.---
Of course he is right to voice his opinion. This is America, how could it be wrong? Now if you would help me bridge the gaps in logic, I would be forever grateful. And that 'takes one to know one' crap is third grade drivel. Let alone the fact that I never called him those things. But that's how *you* would read it.
-- Rae Carruth isn't in jail because hes black! He is there because he is a murderer.---
That's right. Very good, fatdaddy! Where did *this* come from?
Silliest comment of the year just ahead:
---Tell me one more thing what has Chris Childs ever done for you personally that you would automatically grant him a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that he isn't a gangsta, and automatically jump on spanky.---
I don't even know what to say to this one. I guess i'll just chalk it up to a difference in how we look at people. I mean, wtf, does somebody have to do something 'personally' for *you* to grant them a measure of acceptance and reasonable doubt that they aren't a gangsta? I'm sorry man, that is one of the goofiest things that I have ever read. You must really have a jaded view of people if you cannot 'give them a measure of acceptance ' or assume that they 'aren't a gangsta' unless they personally do something for you.
--- Rose colored glasses cloud your vision and judgement. Leave judgement to the big guy upstairs and check your own feelings at the door before you accuse someone of being what your preconceived notions are.---
Ok man, i'll take your advice. I'll check my own feelings at the door?!?! Now, could you help me with something? What does wearing a piece of clothing a certain way have to do with all of the above things that I quoted from spankme and Dr. freeze?
Also, can you prove that 'the big man upstairs' has ever done anything 'personally' for you? Or is there a chance that he is a gangsta just like Chris Childs?
Peace out, blood!
gangster/thug mentality examples; when I think of this topic I think of appearance, attitude, and action.
Appearance: I don't think of a sideways cap as a sign of gangster mentality. I just see it and think it looks stupid. Things that make me think thug/gangster are combinationS of the following things: black young men, jewelry, skull caps, cornrows, shades, multiple earrings, bandanas (red and blue/bloods and crips), multiple tattoos, hand signals/salutes, ghetto sleds/lowriders, a "bulge" under the belt, and sitting on the front porch drinking and listening to rap music.
Attitude and action: The idea of retribution for any wrong real or percieved whether it be someone shooting a best friend or a sideways glance from an innocent passerby. SLANG. Ruthlessness that accompanies the sale of drugs. Drug use and drug sale. "Turf wars". INTIMIDATION. Illegitimate children. Promoting the ideal of racial oppression. Unemployment and dropping out of school. Selfishness. Fighting.
I'll probably think of a few more later, but these are just off the top. When I hear, "gangster", these are the things I think of. I do think that many of these things are mimicked by young people today (black/white/asian/hispanic et al) to look tough or maybe just to fit in.
I think there is a correllation between the black gangs now and the white gangs during prohibition. Gangsters of the Elliott Ness/Al Capone era were also mimicked by young white men of that generation for the same reasons. The dress is of course different but many other things are the same.
I think many of the young black players have the appearance and the attitude that is similar to my ideas of gangsters. I don't think it is a disproportionate amount, however, to similar young men of the same age that are not in the NBA.
Sidenote, my favorite player in the game has been accused many times of being a thug/gangster. He has been written and commentated about harshly many times. He made a record that had troubling lyrics for many (including me). I don't discount him automatically for these reasons. He's not my favorite player for the way he looks or his offcourt actions 10 years ago. He is my favorite player because he is tough, he never gives up, he has a huge heart, he is passionate in his play, he has self-confidence, he has made everything he can out of his God-given ability even though he is slight and short by NBA standards. He is Allen "The Answer" Iverson.
Another sidenote, Toronto was mentioned, and I have been there. Toronto is the biggest melting pot of a city I have ever been in. Whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, Middle-Easterners, Indians, I saw all in abundance when I was there. Toronto also had the most hot women of any place I have ever been. It seemed like almost every woman I came in contact with in Toronto or even passed while walking was a semi-goddess, lol!
Appearance: I don't think of a sideways cap as a sign of gangster mentality. I just see it and think it looks stupid. Things that make me think thug/gangster are combinationS of the following things: black young men, jewelry, skull caps, cornrows, shades, multiple earrings, bandanas (red and blue/bloods and crips), multiple tattoos, hand signals/salutes, ghetto sleds/lowriders, a "bulge" under the belt, and sitting on the front porch drinking and listening to rap music.
Attitude and action: The idea of retribution for any wrong real or percieved whether it be someone shooting a best friend or a sideways glance from an innocent passerby. SLANG. Ruthlessness that accompanies the sale of drugs. Drug use and drug sale. "Turf wars". INTIMIDATION. Illegitimate children. Promoting the ideal of racial oppression. Unemployment and dropping out of school. Selfishness. Fighting.
I'll probably think of a few more later, but these are just off the top. When I hear, "gangster", these are the things I think of. I do think that many of these things are mimicked by young people today (black/white/asian/hispanic et al) to look tough or maybe just to fit in.
I think there is a correllation between the black gangs now and the white gangs during prohibition. Gangsters of the Elliott Ness/Al Capone era were also mimicked by young white men of that generation for the same reasons. The dress is of course different but many other things are the same.
I think many of the young black players have the appearance and the attitude that is similar to my ideas of gangsters. I don't think it is a disproportionate amount, however, to similar young men of the same age that are not in the NBA.
Sidenote, my favorite player in the game has been accused many times of being a thug/gangster. He has been written and commentated about harshly many times. He made a record that had troubling lyrics for many (including me). I don't discount him automatically for these reasons. He's not my favorite player for the way he looks or his offcourt actions 10 years ago. He is my favorite player because he is tough, he never gives up, he has a huge heart, he is passionate in his play, he has self-confidence, he has made everything he can out of his God-given ability even though he is slight and short by NBA standards. He is Allen "The Answer" Iverson.
Another sidenote, Toronto was mentioned, and I have been there. Toronto is the biggest melting pot of a city I have ever been in. Whites, blacks, asians, hispanics, Middle-Easterners, Indians, I saw all in abundance when I was there. Toronto also had the most hot women of any place I have ever been. It seemed like almost every woman I came in contact with in Toronto or even passed while walking was a semi-goddess, lol!
I will tell you what....I am done on this topic because it is like talking to a wall.....Kosar read your own post. in the first senetence you called spanky moronic, second ignorant and stupid, third spankme. You read his post and made a reply based on how you understood his post without asking him what he meant. This is idiotic, and I won't do it anymore. You were judge and jury along with others and if you feel that you have that right then more power to you. Maybe he got that leap of faith to gangsta mentality because it is deserved. I never said someone has to do anything for me to gain a measure of acceptance, my reference was to how quickly you think Childs is O.K. and Spankme I believe was your playground name for him is automatically chastised. One given support the other attacked. Why is that? Why call him a cracker?...Oh thats right because you know everything and if you don't understand it or agree with it than it is "canned, off topic" speech. That is funny because I never honestly believed that Rascism is off the topic of Rascism, but you have "bridged that gap for me" thank you. You are absolutely correct and I am wrong...my apologies. I wonder though what would have happened if whomever called spanky a cracker will allow him now to now label him with an ethnic slur..hmmmm. ya think anyone would get mad? But its O.K. for you or him cuz that spanky is just a dumb ole cracker, right? Now lets all have a good laugh but don't you call me a name.
You know what you are right this isn't my cup of tea, I really don't give a rats ass what happens between you guys and spanky, my only point was that I beleive you and others rushed to judgement, attacked him verbally and he retaliated, lifes a bitch.
good luck in all your endeavors, I'm a lover not a fighter sorry this bores me......good day to all. No harm no foul homey, eerily similar to the peace out blood crack isn't it. See you aren't innocent either
You know what you are right this isn't my cup of tea, I really don't give a rats ass what happens between you guys and spanky, my only point was that I beleive you and others rushed to judgement, attacked him verbally and he retaliated, lifes a bitch.
good luck in all your endeavors, I'm a lover not a fighter sorry this bores me......good day to all. No harm no foul homey, eerily similar to the peace out blood crack isn't it. See you aren't innocent either
Jeepers , Guys .... I hire Whites and blacks ( I have a 'small company') and can't hire the 125 reps. from differenrt countries ,sorry.
And YES, we GOT THE BEST BABES from all over the world....
If I'm a 'Cracker ??' I'm not sure, cause as I said I love beautifull girls ..Plain and simple....
When I was in Honolulu during the winter , I was telling 'The Marine" how much I love the 'look of a hot Polynesian Woman.. I'm sorry if you don't like it , but HOT is HOT. And STUPID "THUGS" are and will always be so= Fuching IDIOTS !!!!!
Look STUPID , ACT STUPID ,ETC...
Once again ,Good Luck , and think of someone else ,not just yourself....
If you understand Darwinism, we will have to start all over again, but I doubt you understand what I mean, let's hope I'm WRONG... It's gotta get better man !!!!!!!!
And YES, we GOT THE BEST BABES from all over the world....
If I'm a 'Cracker ??' I'm not sure, cause as I said I love beautifull girls ..Plain and simple....
When I was in Honolulu during the winter , I was telling 'The Marine" how much I love the 'look of a hot Polynesian Woman.. I'm sorry if you don't like it , but HOT is HOT. And STUPID "THUGS" are and will always be so= Fuching IDIOTS !!!!!
Look STUPID , ACT STUPID ,ETC...
Once again ,Good Luck , and think of someone else ,not just yourself....
If you understand Darwinism, we will have to start all over again, but I doubt you understand what I mean, let's hope I'm WRONG... It's gotta get better man !!!!!!!!
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bingo!!
fat d,
i disagree with almost your entire response to me. we could go on and on about this but i won't because we come from different backgrounds and i don't think we'll ever agree on this particular topic. we will just have to agree to disagree about this. let me just assure you that everything that i wrote to you was my honest feeling based on my life experience, not because of anything that nick said or that anyone else said. i cited nick in my response because what he said is usually the case but i have felt that way for quite a long time. you are a fellow american and i respect your right to your opinion. peace bro.
spanky,
i respect your right to your opinion too. i just wish in the future that you wouldn't judge a man solely on his appearance. good luck to you.
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Cool with me,I've always felt a nice person is a nice person,Shit I know a Fag from High School,Always stop and shoot the breeze with him,because he's always been nice to me, so I show him the same!!! It really isn't hard. Thanks and good Luck,Let's put this Baby to sleep I think ??? Spanky.........
Spanky......... I am a huge pro wrestling fan. One of the most successful promoters of the early eighties was also one of its most open bigots, "Cowboy" Bill Watts. He is a big part of the ongoing litigation against Turner Sports because he ran WCW for a time in the early 90's and he is on record saying that as a business owner he always believed that it should be your right to hire people based on any criteria you desire, including race.
You may not have heard of Watts before this, but you probably know his legacy because he made the Junkyard Dog into one of the biggest drawing stars in the country in New Orleans in the early eighties and then made Ron Simmons the first black world heavyweight champion in history in WCW in 1992 because he tried to recreate the magic of JYD a decade earlier.
My point is that racists hire minorities all the damned time.
I knew that what I posted would stir things up but it really ticks me off when closet racists make stupid comments generalizing groups and then try to take race out of it when they are called on it. I really don't care when ignorant people make personal attacks on me because I know what is true about me and what isn't.
The nice thing about this thread is that someone with intelligence can easily figure out which people have any real knowledge about race. I have seen intelligent comments from a precious few. I do have to thank kosar who is one of the few to post anything with common sense. He and I have gone at each other in the past but even though we didn't always agree, he at least always has something smart to say.
And two things for the record:
1) I checked back on my last two spreadsheets and I am +$8,388 personally since Jack gratiously gave me a free picks page last June. My record on my page has been positive in every sport besides the 2002 baseball season so far.
2) Chioma, my girlfriend, is 100% American. It is a Nigerian name (actually one of the more common Nigerian names for girls) because her dad emigrated to America but wanted to still give her a traditional name.
You may not have heard of Watts before this, but you probably know his legacy because he made the Junkyard Dog into one of the biggest drawing stars in the country in New Orleans in the early eighties and then made Ron Simmons the first black world heavyweight champion in history in WCW in 1992 because he tried to recreate the magic of JYD a decade earlier.
My point is that racists hire minorities all the damned time.
I knew that what I posted would stir things up but it really ticks me off when closet racists make stupid comments generalizing groups and then try to take race out of it when they are called on it. I really don't care when ignorant people make personal attacks on me because I know what is true about me and what isn't.
The nice thing about this thread is that someone with intelligence can easily figure out which people have any real knowledge about race. I have seen intelligent comments from a precious few. I do have to thank kosar who is one of the few to post anything with common sense. He and I have gone at each other in the past but even though we didn't always agree, he at least always has something smart to say.
And two things for the record:
1) I checked back on my last two spreadsheets and I am +$8,388 personally since Jack gratiously gave me a free picks page last June. My record on my page has been positive in every sport besides the 2002 baseball season so far.
2) Chioma, my girlfriend, is 100% American. It is a Nigerian name (actually one of the more common Nigerian names for girls) because her dad emigrated to America but wanted to still give her a traditional name.
Nick,
I must say I am highly disappointed. It ticks you off when people make comments generalizing groups when it was you alone that generalized spanky as a rascist simply by his post. Then you bring some obscure example of a proposed rascist hiring a minority?!!?!?! You base your entire decision to call a man a rascist on a post less than two hundred words, so you jump to an absolutely irresponsible conclusion simply because it is what you take spankys post to mean?? By reading your post I can make the same assumption. An accusatory finger is most often pointed by the guilty!!!! Once again I ask you where you get your information from, what study? Did you do the study yourself? Please see my previous post on this matter and come up with some type of supporting documentation or something of that nature, otherwise it is my opinion that you should keep your ridiculous intimations to yourself.
so anyone that attacks you is ignorant?
I certainly hope you are not trying to qualify intelligence Nick, or is this another "cuz I said so" quote that I am growing increasingly uncomfortable with from you. How dare you question mine or anyone elses intelligence in this forum for that matter, who the hell do you think you are??? I would be remiss if I let that comment pass without retort. I happen to believe I am very intelligent and I am sure there are many others on this board that think the same of themselves, an arguement could be made that you were the only person in this thread making statements that put your intelligence in doubt. Now unless you feel that being an A-One trivia buff in the world of Wrestling grants you a measure of respect or being +$8,000.oo or so on your picks page grants you carte blanche to attack integrity, intestinal fortitude, and a persons beliefs, I would say you are way out of line. The comment and dig was unfounded and disrespectful, and about someone you know nothing about. You are a short-sighted, petty little man if you believe you can sit in judgement of any man, especially myself!!!
I must say I respect your capping abilities a great deal and have responded in your posts and threads a number of times and have yet to ever receive a reply, even out of common courtesy. With that knowledge, based on your judgement system that makes you an obtuse, self centered, conceit. Man this really burns me up because I really expected so much more of you....it really is quite disappointing. In my conversation with Fuzzy Nutz I stated how I felt about the whole rascism deal and he didn't see it my way and I disagreed with his but at the very least his points were somewhat well made....yours are utterly ridiculous........a wrestler hired a black man so now spanky is a rascist.....what a joke....I whole-heartedly hope you use more common sense in your capping endeavours, if not, ....actually I had a little dig in here but decided to remove it.....very disappointing indeed. Good luck and good bye Nick, as I am quite sure you wont reply once again.
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a great piece of liberal elitism by Nick Douglas
he is smarter than everyone here and knows exactly where everyone is coming from so just read what he says and obey Fatdaddy
he is smarter than everyone here and knows exactly where everyone is coming from so just read what he says and obey Fatdaddy
it appears as though I must conform. It seems that my conception of the Trinity was somewhat skewed as someone as all knowing as that must have something of a "special" power. Kinda like the Iron Sheik when he would spit fire....since we seem to be on wrestling talk
I knew Dr. Freeze would talk some crap about me. Remember he is the first guy on the board making racist comments about Muslims whenever any contorversy erupts in that area.
FDC, you seem like a good guy and I'd bet dollars to donuts that if we met in real life rather than on a message board we'd be friends.
The only reason I brought up Bill Watts was because Spanky was trying to say that the fact that he employs minorities means that he is not a racist. Watts got over black wrestlers better than any promoter in history before The Rock came along for McMahon so he was the best example I could think of in disproving Spanky's flawed rationale. I only brought up my results in gambling because Spanky told me to stick to posting losing plays.
The thing about your posts and the way you talk about identifying the way people are racists is that you seem to ignore the basic human fact that the first thing you notice about a person is race. It is just a fact of life. Race exists and what I believe is that treating other races with respect is what's important, not nitpicking minutiae about what makes a person racist and what doesn't.
The fact is that the original thing that Spanky complained about, guys wearing their caps tilted to the side in "gangster" fashion, is an element of black culture and ripping it will in most cases come off as an insult to blacks. It is true that many other races wear their caps like that, but since it originally came from black culture and it is strongly associated with blacks by many people, I think black people would have every right to find that offensive.
It really goes for any race. If you rip something that is associated with that race, even if other people of other races have embraced the concept in some cases, the race that the concept is identified with it will rightly take offense.
One last thing. I know this may be unsolicited advice, but defending yourself against being a racists by saying the things I mentioned earlier does look bad. So does trying to justify yourself by saying things like, "I have this one minority friend," or "I work with minorities all the time." One reason that so many black people love Clinton but hate Bush is like Chris Rock said: One of Clinton's good friends was Vernon Jordan but you didn't see Clinton leeching onto him in public to prove that he likes black people. With Bush during the Republican convention it was like Colin Powell was a parrot on his shoulder saying, "[SQUAAK] He likes n***ers [SQUAAK]." (Again, that is a direct quote from Chris Rock so please don't attribute that to me) That is not to say that anyone involved is necessarily a racist, only that doing things like that make you look bad.
FDC, you seem like a good guy and I'd bet dollars to donuts that if we met in real life rather than on a message board we'd be friends.
The only reason I brought up Bill Watts was because Spanky was trying to say that the fact that he employs minorities means that he is not a racist. Watts got over black wrestlers better than any promoter in history before The Rock came along for McMahon so he was the best example I could think of in disproving Spanky's flawed rationale. I only brought up my results in gambling because Spanky told me to stick to posting losing plays.
The thing about your posts and the way you talk about identifying the way people are racists is that you seem to ignore the basic human fact that the first thing you notice about a person is race. It is just a fact of life. Race exists and what I believe is that treating other races with respect is what's important, not nitpicking minutiae about what makes a person racist and what doesn't.
The fact is that the original thing that Spanky complained about, guys wearing their caps tilted to the side in "gangster" fashion, is an element of black culture and ripping it will in most cases come off as an insult to blacks. It is true that many other races wear their caps like that, but since it originally came from black culture and it is strongly associated with blacks by many people, I think black people would have every right to find that offensive.
It really goes for any race. If you rip something that is associated with that race, even if other people of other races have embraced the concept in some cases, the race that the concept is identified with it will rightly take offense.
One last thing. I know this may be unsolicited advice, but defending yourself against being a racists by saying the things I mentioned earlier does look bad. So does trying to justify yourself by saying things like, "I have this one minority friend," or "I work with minorities all the time." One reason that so many black people love Clinton but hate Bush is like Chris Rock said: One of Clinton's good friends was Vernon Jordan but you didn't see Clinton leeching onto him in public to prove that he likes black people. With Bush during the Republican convention it was like Colin Powell was a parrot on his shoulder saying, "[SQUAAK] He likes n***ers [SQUAAK]." (Again, that is a direct quote from Chris Rock so please don't attribute that to me) That is not to say that anyone involved is necessarily a racist, only that doing things like that make you look bad.
