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I?m not sure where your reading your info However Sweden hasn?t much of anything down.... doing just fine....

Just a google search this morning when I saw your post. It's out there. I'm not gonna argue with anybody. I understand where you're coming from and where everybody else is coming from. We all have to do what's best for us. Be safe and stay healthy. :toast:
 

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I didn?t realize how many bozos on here listen to a bunch of other bozos feeding them shit..... does the world stop for cancer? It?s been well known and finally reported tonight that Sweden has roughly the same numbers as we do yet they haven?t shut shit down.... it?s called use common sense.... we got all the pink wearing beanie bandits in here.... Maddows, pelosi, Debbie dingell, Gretchen.... that dumb fuck Gavin newsome.... anyone ever wonder how much he lines up before going on air to talk? .... just a bunch of sheep following the herd...and no I?m not a republican.... it?s called a realist... fuck do some fucking research rather than just watching fox or MSNBC, cnn.... if you morons can?t tell majority of the shit they spew out is cow dung bless your small peanut brain.... I hope all you fuckers stay in quarantine for two years.... fucking zero traffic in la and it?s beautiful. Absolutely a breeze at the airport.... can walk down to the whaler without anyone bothering me, grab a margarita To go... smh.... and I have the whole beach to myself..goldbelly works perfectly.... .. 40 million people here in ca and roughly 1,000 dead.... please stay the fuck home. It?s too dangerous to go outside.

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A whopping 318 deaths in Texas we have about 30 million people, our governor is opening our state back up in the next month, it never should have been shut down in the first place
 

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Sweden had a 10% increase in cases and deaths today.

And much higher than their Nordic friends.


COVID-19: As Sweden's death toll mounts, epidemiologists urge leaders to ignore their own public health agency

Sweden, which is an international outlier in resisting a lockdown, has suffered a much higher death toll than Nordic neighbours

Peace! :)

Two of Sweden?s top ministers have defended the country?s decision not to impose a lockdown in response to the coronavirus pandemic and insisted this approach had strong public support, despite a mounting death toll and sharp criticism from some scientists.

Deputy prime minister Isabella Lovin told the Financial Times that Sweden had taken ?very harsh and exceptional measures?, despite keeping its schools and restaurants open, as it wanted ?to take the right decisions at the right time?.

Ann Linde, foreign minister, said in a separate interview: ?We don?t believe in a lockdown if it?s not going to be sustainable over time. We don?t believe we can lock people in their houses for several months and have a high degree of people following it. But it?s a myth that it?s business as usual. It?s not business as usual.?

Sweden, which is an international outlier in resisting a lockdown, has suffered a much higher death toll than its Nordic neighbours, even adjusting for its population being roughly double that of Norway, Denmark or Finland. As of Wednesday, Sweden had 1,203 deaths due to coronavirus, against 143 for Norway, 309 for Denmark and 72 for Finland.

Swedish authorities are under pressure due to a rising number of coronavirus infections in elderly homes. Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist, noted this week that the average age of those dying in Sweden was markedly higher than in Norway. ?It is not a failure for the overall strategy, but it is a failure to protect our elderly who live in care homes,? he added. Ms Lovin called it ?very worrying? and added that ministers were calling municipalities with few infections to urge them to protect the elderly.

Both Ms Lovin and Ms Linde underlined that Sweden was following its tradition of ?more than 100 years? of following the advice of expert authorities when making decisions. Sweden?s public health agency recommended against closing primary and secondary schools, but the country did close them for students older than 16.

Denmark reopened its kindergartens and primary schools up to fourth grade on Wednesday, with Norway set to follow in the coming two weeks. But the governments in both countries decided not to follow the advice of their respective health agencies to have a broader opening of the school system.

More than 20 Swedish epidemiologists and scientists published an article this week urging politicians to take over from the public health agency and shut down schools and restaurants to avoid Sweden following the same path as Italy in terms of coronavirus deaths. ?The approach must be changed radically and quickly,? they wrote.

Ms Linde said the scientists were ?entitled to their opinion?. But she added: ?It?s very different to compare countries with different circumstances and different stages of the virus. We are all fighting the same fight but with different means.?

Much of the Swedish approach is centred around the idea that dealing with coronavirus will be ?a marathon, not a sprint?, with measures likely to be in place for months, if not years. Authorities believed that closing schools and kindergartens would have caused some key workers such as doctors and nurses to have to stay at home ? or for at-risk grandparents to be drafted in to do childcare.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world...ders-to-ignore-their-own-public-health-agency
 

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about Sweden and Finland.

Sweden ran out of ICU-places last week, people with serious symptoms were offered an oxygen bottle+mask+morphine. Now they are running out of oxygen bottles and morphine. In some hospitals later is already replaced with medication ment for animals.

Hospitals have been prioritizing patients: elder people who will soon die anyway are replaced with younger people with better chance to live.

From now on people are not getting help when they get sick. Death numbers will rise, how much ? Who knows, personally i don't even care. Sweden has done nothing to "slow the curve" or rise their readiness except building bigger morgues.

No lock downs, no limitations. Everything running like before. If someone closed their business down it has been their own choice and usually because of stalled export.

Finland led by westworld-prime minister bot has chosen another road. We slow the curve, try to treat worst cases in hospital and keep it that way. We have "half lock down", restaurants, bars and schools are closed, southern state was in half guarantee a few weeks (opened last week).

Now there are signs that government is lifting lock down, how much ? We will see next week. Right decision ? Can't tell, our health organizations have been clueless from the start and point where we are at the moment is mostly dumb luck of not doing anything at first until people got pissed off and lock downs were ordered. As a country we are geologically quite isolated, not many big cities and people usually behave smartly, no mass panic or movements at least yet.


About numbers, neither countries numbers are correct, Finland's not even in the same ballpark as official numbers at the moment. Reason ? Someone forgot to tell hospitals and stats keepers that people dying else where than hospitals (because of virus) should be included in virus deaths... real number is ~x2 , around 170 deaths not 82 as the official number is at the moment. This will get updated officially next week.

Sweden ? People are dying alone in their homes no one is keeping up with it and they are added later to statistics when found... Numbers are way worse than officially reported.

Prediction ? Sweden gets worse than Italy. If Finland keeps it's Sweden border closed we might live by the current plan and keep death toll reasonable.


After all, unless there will be cure (there won't in anytime soon) virus goes around and it's just how You as a country deal with it.

Stay safe :0074

edit: use google translator,
Sweden is using tent hospitals in several cities because actual hospitals are full:
https://www.dagensmedicin.se/artiklar/2020/04/15/faltsjukhuset-i-gang-trots-kritik/

edit2: some (imo most reliable) numbers from Sweden

April 1st vs now
in hospital 1320 - 2212
ICU 293 - 523 (look how steady this number has been last weeks = capacity is in full use)
deaths 263 - 1539 ( 500 ->+1500 in less than two weeks)

https://c19.se/en

edit3: About Swedish hospitals kicking elder people and kidney etc patients out and taking corona ones in. This Karolinska hospital should be one of the best in Sweden, so this is not small deal when newspapers write about this:
use translator: https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/karolinska-misstanks-prioriterat-bort-njursjuka-covidpatienter/
 
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My buddy now sending me pics of the Austin rally... I notice a few are wearing masks... As Betone sez, salt of the earth folks, like my freind.. America wouldn't be the same without them, but, still...
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^ Not so fast :0008

Sweden had false/missread blood test reports and at the moment they are recalculating how far this "heard immunity" is. Swedish health dpt will have news conference later today.

New report will be published asap.

From their twitter:
https://twitter.com/Folkhalsomynd/status/1252883742907150337

They didn't know at the moment how much difference corrected numbers will give.

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It seems like opinions change every single day. I know we're all tired of it. What's your opinion of what's going on down your way? I know there are a lot of different opinions about it. I'd like to hear from somebody who lives there without some BS agenda. Stay well.
 

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Karolinska University fukked up their blood tests and mixed "random tests" with "actual positive corona" tests.

Shortly, random sampling ment for calculations includes way too many (known) positive tests. Calculations were based on this false sampling and estimation is that actual number of positive corona tests is 1/1000 of the number used in previous report.

= heard immunity :sadwave:


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It seems like opinions change every single day. I know we're all tired of it. What's your opinion of what's going on down your way? I know there are a lot of different opinions about it. I'd like to hear from somebody who lives there without some BS agenda. Stay well.

Broad scope, I literally know no one that has been diagnosed and do not believe I am even somewhat close to anyone that knows anyone:shrug: I believe millions have had it, and might very well have been what I had a few months back when I couldn't get out of bed for 4 days with what I called a chest cold. Life has been disrupted much more for some than others. Some are literally counting down the days until they cant pay their bills, while at the same time just like me not knowing a soul that has been diagnosed. At the end of the day, the fear of this, and the impact of said fear has been much much worse than the actual virus.

As to Gov. Kemp "reopening", I have no problem with it. Basically all that is happening is he is allowing small businesses to try and survive. There are 20 social distancing requirements for those choosing to reopen. He based his decision on the data here. Hospitals said they were good to go and the state now has many more resources in place in case of need. There have literally been lines to get into Home Depot and Walmart 30 people deep at times. Don't understand allowing that and not allowing the small businesses that sell the individual items in those stores to do the same?
 

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Broad scope, I literally know no one that has been diagnosed and do not believe I am even somewhat close to anyone that knows anyone:shrug: I believe millions have had it, and might very well have been what I had a few months back when I couldn't get out of bed for 4 days with what I called a chest cold. Life has been disrupted much more for some than others. Some are literally counting down the days until they cant pay their bills, while at the same time just like me not knowing a soul that has been diagnosed. At the end of the day, the fear of this, and the impact of said fear has been much much worse than the actual virus.

As to Gov. Kemp "reopening", I have no problem with it. Basically all that is happening is he is allowing small businesses to try and survive. There are 20 social distancing requirements for those choosing to reopen. He based his decision on the data here. Hospitals said they were good to go and the state now has many more resources in place in case of need. There have literally been lines to get into Home Depot and Walmart 30 people deep at times. Don't understand allowing that and not allowing the small businesses that sell the individual items in those stores to do the same?


If we can see no dramatic uptick in cases from places like Georgia, then maybe we can open up with gusto?

Let's face it.......no matter how big or small your town, pretty soon people are going to say, "fuck this", and open up shop. Is everyone getting a ticket? No way.
 
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