i think we just saw something special

[gardenweasel]

cotto....toyed with a very competent fighter in gomez....

he was quicker...better defensively...much stronger....

he carried him for the last 2 rounds...

i really think that mayweather may have found the guy than can conceivably beat him....

this guy`s got it all....he`s a beast...

 

[gardenweasel]

and tarver wins!!!!...what a night....

 

[BOXLOCKS]

I agree, Cotto is something special, no dought about it

But that was Alfonso Gomez, a B- fighter at best, lets not get too carried away here

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[gardenweasel]

yeah,it`s possible that gomez may not be as good as originally thought...the power is definitely lacking...he`s good at several things,but superior at nothing...

maybe it`s me....but,cotto seems to get quicker and quicker...he`s really fast...that jab is straight as an arrow and was hurting gomez consistently.... and it is a fact that gomez had never been knocked down before...

he looked lightning quick...almost "steroid" quick...i`m not making an allegation....but i was flummoxed by cotto`s quickness...

damn he looked fast....possible cause gomez was that slow?....maybe......


he actually looked quicker than mosely in their fight...and much quicker tonight....

and those body shots?....the jab?....

he`s confident now to the point of being cocky...he could have finished gomez at any point from the 3rd on....it was like a cat and a mouse...

theres gonna have to be a floyd/cotto fight....

and btw...theres margarito...cotto will have as much coming back in that fight as he`s giving....

lord,some great fights ahead in the wlterweight division..

 

[The Sponge]

For some reason to me Gomez looked awfully tight right from the start. Kinda like a guy who got caught up in the moment. It look liked as soon as he felt Cotto's speed he just forgot everything he has learned and just went head hunting.
On to the old washed up Tarver. Remember that is why Hopkins beat him. He sure as hell didn't look all washed up to me. Did he look fantastic? No, but he sure as hell looked like a solid fighter.

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Mosley confirmed your observation, said he was amazed by Cotto's handspeed and boxing ability. Very scary that a power puncher and body snatcher like Cotto can adjust his game and outbox one the best in the game. As a fight fan, I'd rather see Cotto/Marg, but if Mayweather avoids Cotto it will be shame. Maymoney can't walk away from 147 thinking he's the best, without fighting Cotto first

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[BOXLOCKS]

For some reason to me Gomez looked awfully tight right from the start. Kinda like a guy who got caught up in the moment. It look liked as soon as he felt Cotto's speed he just forgot everything he has learned and just went head hunting.

Tight or not it had no effect on the outcome of the fight, he's simply not in Cotto's class, Gomez is an average fighter and Cotto is pfp one of the best in the business. There's a reason the line went from -800 to -1500 by fight time, guys were unloading on Cotto at 10-1 like it was free money, and they were right

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[The Sponge]

Tight or not it had no effect on the outcome of the fight, he's simply not in Cotto's class, Gomez is an average fighter and Cotto is pfp one of the best in the business. There's a reason the line went from -800 to -1500 by fight time, guys were unloading on Cotto at 10-1 like it was free money, and they were right

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Cotto struggled with a 62 year old Shane Mosley and if they didn't stop the fight when Cotto was hurt to wipe up some bogus water in the corner he would have gotten knocked out.:0corn

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Cotto struggled with a 62 year old Shane Mosley and if they didn't stop the fight when Cotto was hurt to wipe up some bogus water in the corner he would have gotten knocked out.:0corn

Shane Mosley is one best fighters of our generation, no question, how many weight divisions has Mosley dominated? At least 3, maybe 4, and he was very competive at 154, two wins over DLH, two wins over Vargas, and a very close loss to Winky who had every physical advantage over Shane.

Spongie, are you really comparing Gomez to Shane Mosley? I'd hate for you to lose all your credibility in one night.

Btw, Shane is only 36...much younger than Tarver, Hopkins, Glen Johnson, Verno Phillips...and many others who just recently won big fights against younger champions, hell Johnson almost won tonight at 39, and Hopkins is 43.

You act like Cotto was fighting some stiff when he was tested down the stretch against Mosley..lol.

Again, are you really comparing Gomez to Mosley? I know you posted that Gomez had a decent shot of beating Cotto, and now you're trying to justify your play. But Gomez is far from a great fighter, and even a 62 year old Mosley would make Gomez look like the "pretender" that he is


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[gardenweasel]

just watched tarver/woods...and i noticed that the ringside scorer from the u.k. had it 115-114 tarver.....

a 1 point fight?....that`s criminal...

poor glen johnson...this guy,from what i`ve read,won all 3 fights vs woods in britain and came away at 1-1-1......

this is why i`m so skeptical when these inflated home records venture out into the world...

that`s as good as tarver`s looked in ages...and it may well be more due to woods mediocrity than tarver.....no offense,brits,but woods looked terrible...just terrible...

tarver`s power,i`ve noticed,seems to have disappeared...he seldom sits down on his punches....

i had tarver,but i expected better from woods...he looked like a punching bag that had no clue how to fight a lefty....

we all had margarito/cintron pegged...when cintron realized his power wasn`t gonna have an effect and he would be forced to gut it out for 12,it was basically over.......he can do it vs the feliciano`s and the estrada`s...can`t do it vs this caliber....ashamed...he has talent....

great night fellas...congrats...i have a feeling that the books took a major league whipping tonight...

 

[BOXLOCKS]

just watched tarver/woods...and i noticed that the ringside scorer from the u.k. had it 115-114 tarver.....

a 1 point fight?....that`s criminal...

poor glen johnson...this guy,from what i`ve read,won all 3 fights vs woods in britain and came away at 1-1-1......

this is why i`m so skeptical when these inflated home records venture out into the world...

Just goes to show how important location and promotion are when predicting a fight

I must admit, had Woods at +135, but as posted I also had a much bigger wager on the Over 11.5 -210...in a parlay of course

Again, I must admit that I had Cintron at +275, but as posted I had much more riding on the Under 9.5 at +125

Made a couple bad picks this week, but still turned a profit on those fights...lol. I think Ice-Cube said it best..."today was a good day"


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[MayorgaFan]

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just watched tarver/woods...and i noticed that the ringside scorer from the u.k. had it 115-114 tarver.....

a 1 point fight?....that`s criminal...

poor glen johnson...this guy,from what i`ve read,won all 3 fights vs woods in britain and came away at 1-1-1......

this is why i`m so skeptical when these inflated home records venture out into the world...

that`s as good as tarver`s looked in ages...and it may well be more due to woods mediocrity than tarver.....no offense,brits,but woods looked terrible...just terrible...

tarver`s power,i`ve noticed,seems to have disappeared...he seldom sits down on his punches....

i had tarver,but i expected better from woods...he looked like a punching bag that had no clue how to fight a lefty....

we all had margarito/cintron pegged...when cintron realized his power wasn`t gonna have an effect and he would be forced to gut it out for 12,it was basically over.......he can do it vs the feliciano`s and the estrada`s...can`t do it vs this caliber....ashamed...he has talent....

great night fellas...congrats...i have a feeling that the books took a major league whipping tonight...

I had Johnson winning all 3 fights against Woods but at least woods was competitive. Tonight he wasn't even competitive. Maybe a styles issue? Woods isn't THAT bad.

As for the books, they did more than fine this weekend.

 

[gardenweasel]

I had Johnson winning all 3 fights against Woods but at least woods was competitive. Tonight he wasn't even competitive. Maybe a styles issue? Woods isn't THAT bad.

As for the books, they did more than fine this weekend.

maybe styles...and venue...he looked like a deer caught in the headlights...he was "that bad" tonight...

how`d the books do well?...anybody that bothers to bet boxing had to figure cintron was going down and inside the distance...

can`t believe that glen johnson garnered much action and the over had to be the consensus play...

cotto?....maybe a few(me) threw a 10 spot away on gomez on a lark....

maybe there was money on woods(and that baffles me)...this also figured to go over...

it really played to form...

you and joey seem to have a burr in your saddle about books occasionally having a bad night...

what`s that all about?...i understand that the books beat the suckers consistently....but,it happens sometimes..

 

[MayorgaFan]

maybe styles...and venue...he looked like a deer caught in the headlights...he was "that bad" tonight...

how`d the books do well?...anybody that bothers to bet boxing had to figure cintron was going down and inside the distance...

can`t believe that glen johnson garnered much action and the over had to be the consensus play...

cotto?....maybe a few(me) threw a 10 spot away on gomez on a lark....

maybe there was money on woods(and that baffles me)...this also figured to go over...

it really played to form...

you and joey seem to have a burr in your saddle about books occasionally having a bad night...

what`s that all about?...it happens sometimes..

Cintron got bet heavily. In fact the exact words were "People won't stop making max bets on Cintron". Believe me that wasn't a bad result for the books, in fact it was possibly the best 1. His exact words were that he did well tonight and so did the books. He posted his plays on his forums before the fights with 3 anti public plays which were Johnson,Tarver and Margarito. 2 of 3 isn't bad. 10-1 favorites winning don't really hurt the books much. There's no burrs in any saddles I just tell it like it is, the books did fine, on boxing anyways.

As for Woods yes he sucked tonight but he doesn't always look that bad. even though I thought he lost all the fights with Johnson I still thought he won 4-5 rounds in those fights. if he wasn't very good he wouldn't have won that many rounds.

 

[gardenweasel]

Cintron got bet heavily. In fact the exact words were "People won't stop making max bets on Cintron". Believe me that wasn't a bad result for the books, in fact it was possibly the best 1. His exact words were that he did well tonight and so did the books. He posted his plays on his forums before the fights with 3 anti public plays which were Johnson,Tarver and Margarito. 2 of 3 isn't bad. 10-1 favorites winning don't really hurt the books much. There's no burrs in any saddles I just tell it like it is, the books did fine, on boxing anyways.

As for Woods yes he sucked tonight but he doesn't always look that bad. even though I thought he lost all the fights with Johnson I still thought he won 4-5 rounds in those fights. if he wasn't very good he wouldn't have won that many rounds.

by "his" i take it you mean "joey"?.......and where are his forums?...i`d like to take a gander(thanks)...

btw..fair enough on the books...i have no evidence to prove otherwise...

 

[MayorgaFan]

by "his" i take it you mean "joey"?.......and where are his forums?...i`d like to take a gander(thanks)...

btw..fair enough on the books...i have no evidence to prove otherwise...

ok:0corn

 

[gardenweasel]

got it...thanks...

 

[BOXLOCKS]

...anybody that bothers to bet boxing had to figure cintron was going down

maybe there was money on woods(and that baffles me).....

Sheesh...I was on Cintron and Woods, must be losing it or something

I can tell by the back and forth line movement (not to mention the wide juice) that the books made money on Cinron/Marg. They might have lost a little on the Under of that one though, seemed extremely one sided bettting and the number opened way too low, I got down at +125.

The Woods-Tarver line bounced around for a month, started -150 and went down to evens, then moved back very close to the original. When you consider how wide the juice is at most of these joints...-125/-105...-120/-110...-140/+110 were typical numbers over the last month at SB, and they bounced back and forth every week. I think they made plenty on that one, plus the Over-Under was played evenly, dripping with juice as usual.

The final odds on Gomez-Cotto at SB were -1500/+900...how can you not make money paying back just over half of the chalk number. and Gomez is a popular fighter for the public to bet on. The O/U seemed to be played evenly as well, dripping with juice at SB...-140/even...I believe. Can't lose when hanging those kind of numbers.

The books probably needed Johnson, but it had to be pretty even since every time he got above +300 he was immediatly bet back down. And that fight was dripping with juice as well...360/+280...they probably broke even on that on e with all profits riding on Johnson.

Just my take on the whole thing, a little Johhny Walker on the side, probably better quit posting tonight...:grins:



EDIT...Just noticed I'm a little behind in the conversation...oh well

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[gardenweasel]

i actually put a wager down on cintron as a reflex reaction when the line came out,but,it was very small and i backtracked after finally being struck in the head by a cluebat.....:shrug:

 

[BOXLOCKS]

i actually put a wager down on cintron as a reflex reaction when the line came out,but,it was very small and i backtracked after finally being struck in the head by a cluebat.....:shrug:

I did the exact same thing when it surfaced at +275, lost confidence in it when the same cluebat headed my direction. Last week I decided to hedge out with a parlay including Marg, unfortunatly it didn't make it to this week. I had the Under 9.5 at +125 so its all good

I've been so focused on this weekend, I couldn't even tell you who fights next weekend, other than Hops-Zags of course. I'm looking forward to that fight, I know Hopkins style doesn't make for exiting fights, but I think Zags will force him to come out of his shell a little and be more aggressive. He's not just gonna sit there and let Zags pot shot him from the outside, I can't waite to see how it plays out, my only play will be the Over 11.5, in parlay form as I'm not laying 3-1 against Hopkins intentional headbutts. Already have one combo in at -175, looking to add one more at a little better odds, probably add Sarritzu -230 or the Over 9.5 -340


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