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OK where do I start? First of all I dont understand how some of you guys had so much confidence with Cintron when A) He was fighting a guy who destroyed him a couple of years ago and B) Considering how he looked against Feliciano in his last fight. He barely survived Jessie Feliciano.

Sponge, the sh!t you said is just too dumb to respond to.

Box, I think Mosely is a very good fighter and I've always like him. But to call him one of the best fighters of our generation is simply not accurate. With the exception of De La Hoya he just can not win the big fights.

Sorry but Woods is not a good fighter. The guy is garbage.

When are people going to step up and quit allowing these incompetent or corrupt judges work these fights? SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE! Its a disgrace what the did to Glen Johnson last night.

Spinch, I thought you told me Joey wasnt around anymore?
 

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Shane Mosley is one best fighters of our generation, no question, how many weight divisions has Mosley dominated? At least 3, maybe 4, and he was very competive at 154, two wins over DLH, two wins over Vargas, and a very close loss to Winky who had every physical advantage over Shane.

Spongie, are you really comparing Gomez to Shane Mosley? I'd hate for you to lose all your credibility in one night.

Btw, Shane is only 36...much younger than Tarver, Hopkins, Glen Johnson, Verno Phillips...and many others who just recently won big fights against younger champions, hell Johnson almost won tonight at 39, and Hopkins is 43.

You act like Cotto was fighting some stiff when he was tested down the stretch against Mosley..lol.

Again, are you really comparing Gomez to Mosley? I know you posted that Gomez had a decent shot of beating Cotto, and now you're trying to justify your play. But Gomez is far from a great fighter, and even a 62 year old Mosley would make Gomez look like the "pretender" that he is


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No i wasn't comparing Mosley to Gomez at all. Shane use to be my favorite fighter but he is up there in age and he gave Cotto all he could handle. I was more taking a shot at Cotto. Still think he is a very good fighter tho. I also said that this may become a brutal fight for Gomez. If i thought gomez could win i would have put at least a little something on those juicy odds.
 

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First of all I dont understand how some of you guys had so much confidence with Cintron when A) He was fighting a guy who destroyed him a couple of years ago and B) Considering how he looked against Feliciano in his last fight. He barely survived Jessie Feliciano.

First of all I didn't have that much confidence in Cintron, had a very small play on him at +275 as the line seemed too high.

Cintron was on route to stopping Feliciano early in the fight until he broke his right hand, his power hand btw. He fought Feliciano with one hand for several rounds before stopping him late, very impressive. In the first fight with Marg, Cintron was cut badly on the eyelid and he was clearly distracted by it. Cintron is technically the better fighter of the two, throws straighter punches, can box when he wants to, very athletic. He was the one who asked for this fight, like he knew something we didn't. Cintron just doesn't have the heart or chin to hang with a pressure guy with some pop. Also, Margarito is not that great of a fighter, he lost to Daniel Santos twice, would've lost to Clottey a while back but Clottey broke his right hand early in a fight he was easily winning, Marg lost to Paul Williams who was later dominated by Quintana who was destroyed by Cotto. My play on Cintron was a small one based on the high odds and the fact that Marg is definitly beatable, I had much more riding on the Under 9.5 +125 anyway


Box, I think Mosely is a very good fighter and I've always like him. But to call him one of the best fighters of our generation is simply not accurate. With the exception of De La Hoya he just can not win the big fights.

Not accurate in your opinion, but yours doesn't count any more than mine. You must have been locked up when Mosley was destroying everyone at 135 and easily at the top of the pfp list. You have to look at fighters when they were in their prime fighting at their natural weight, and that was 135 for Mosley. Then he skipped 140 completely and went up to 147 where he dominated until meating his worst style match-up in Vernon Forrest. Anyway, two wins over DLH after stepping way up in weight, and then a very close loss to Wright at 154 which is way too high for Mosley. Two wins over Vargas...again at 154. Btw, Mosely was definitly coming on down the stretch against Cotto, a fight he lost by a very close margin...at 36 yrs old, against a much younger champion who is also one the best fighters of MY generation


When are people going to step up and quit allowing these incompetent or corrupt judges work these fights? SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE! Its a disgrace what the did to Glen Johnson last night.


I thought the fight was pretty close and so did everyone else I've talked to, most had the fight even or within a couple rounds. Dawson was the champion and they were fighting under his promotion, Johnson had to win convincingly to get the decision, and nobody I know thinks he did that. I admit the 116-112 scores were a little wide but they were consistent, and the fight always looks different on television, all three judges have the same score proves they were all watching the same fight, with a much better view than we had


Sorry but Woods is not a good fighter. The guy is garbage.

I had a little on Woods at +135 due to Tarver looking like absolute garbage over his last few fights. Thought about scalping when Tarver hit -105 but decided to let it ride. The Over 11.5 was my big play on that fight, worked out well


I just wrapped up the most profitable week I've had in boxing since I started betting 6 years ago. Pulled in $2500, but the Dawson fight probably took a few years off my life. Like Romi said, I had to turn it off going into the last few rounds and checked the results later. Taped those last few rounds and watched them later...stress free


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I think Cotto is making an awful mistake fighting Margarito. Why even make this move? Its good for us but if im Arum im shaming Mayweather into a fight. Altho i think Cotto beats Margarito why even risk it? Give him a fight after Mayweather. Margarito is to sloppy for me but this could turn into a war for Cotto. Just to risky. Why do it? How much more can you get if you beat or destroy Margarito?
 

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i stayed up until 3:30 am to try and shoot the breeze about the fights...i hit the rack,wake up,and theres a firefight going on.....:shrug:

my man almly loves to stir the pot...:grins:

i know one thing...i couldn`t watch the johnson/dawson fight...still haven`t(i know i`ll have to for future reference)...... i made some mistakes and ended up with to many "betting situations" tied into dawson......

i turned on the fight for a second to check the round and it was round 10......i was just in time to see dawson almost ktfo.....i was sick to my stomach...i turned the shit off,ran and hid in a corner...

i`ll tell you..i still don`t believe johnson`s a puncher..i figured dawson would be to long,to quick and to smart to lay in with johnson...

obviously i was wrong..it would have ruined my weekend....

and btw...wtf happened to tarver`s power?....he boxed well...he clinched to kill any momentum woods could garner...he fought a very savvy,smart fight and made woods look terrible,frankly...and that 12th round was an embarrassment for woods..tarver showed surprisingly good movement..i didn`t expect that..f

but,where`s the power?...i didn`t see it vs muriqi....the midget he just knocked out was nothing...

he just doesn`t seem to set down on shots anymore..

btw...very possible that joe calzaghe,an excellent fighter,can just outwork bhop...that`s the predicted scenario by many...

but,as tough as johnson is...bhop was the only guy that`s stopped him..granted,years ago at middle....but,my point is,a guy can go broke expecting bhop to get old...

i`m urging caution this weekend...don`t give it all back...this isn`t in britain...bhop will be using every trick in the book..his is a style that`s very tough to prepare for.....he made tarver look every bit as foolish and toothless as tarver did woods...

unlike most,i don`t believe this is a fight to step out on...

beware the fossil..!!!
 
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I just wrapped up the most profitable week I've had in boxing since I started betting 6 years ago. Pulled in $2500, but the Dawson fight probably took a few years off my life. Like Romi said, I had to turn it off going into the last few rounds and checked the results later. Taped those last few rounds and watched them later...stress free
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My nerves aren't exactly made of steel like some may think. I do put a ton of dough on some fights but many times those fights are nearly impossible to watch. One thing I will say is that when I lose a big one, I don't dwell on it...I just move onto the next week and get into conserve mode a little until I build it back up. I also don't play w/scared money. If I wager it, then I can afford to lose it.

I have a big bundle on Zags next week and I'll probably hedge there a bit to protects some nice profits over the last 2 weeks.

Congrats on a great week Box!
 

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Mosely lost twice to Wright. The second fight was close, the first was not close. Yeah, he has had a great career but out of all his wins at 135 who was a great fighter that he beat? With exception of his first fight with De La Hoya when has he won a huge fight?

I love Shane, I think he has had a great career. But I simply cant call him one of the best of our generation. He has 5 losses on his record and imo only one GREAT win.

Sponge, what you implied was that Cottos win over Mosely was almost a worthless win over a shot fighter. You also said that if they didnt pause the fight to wipe up some water Cotto would of been ko'd. Im sorry - but that is silly sh!t.

So if 3 judges issue a sh!tty decision it must be ok if their scores were consistent? I've sat practically ringside at several fights, I like the angle and view that you get on TV. Johnson won the last three rounds and pummeed Dawson in a couple of the middle rounds. I'll watch it again and see if I see it differently the second time though.
 

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After the first Wright loss I've developed this theory in regards to Mosely: He is a great talent and an excellent fighter with great speed. But he just lacks the great technical skills that he needs to beat the best of the best.

If I cant put him top 10 p4p right now I cant call him one of the best fighters of my generation.
 

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Sponge, what you implied was that Cottos win over Mosely was almost a worthless win over a shot fighter. You also said that if they didnt pause the fight to wipe up some water Cotto would of been ko'd. Im sorry - but that is silly sh!t.

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Cotto was hurt when this fight was stopped. Go back and look. Weasel said the same thing as me. Would he have gotten knocked out? He might have we will never know but i found it funny to just all the sudden stop a fight like this at this particular moment. Almy aren't you the guy who everytime i say Hopkins has a shot against Calzaghe you make excuses for the guys Bhop just beat? I think it was you who said Tarver was a joke and all washed up? I guess this washed up fighter has part of the Light heavy weight title now. I also don't think Mosley is shot and think he still is a solid fighter. I said 62 to get Box's juices flowing. That is why i put the popcorn smiley after it.
 
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Sponge/Almy,

Come on now fella's. We are all in the business of making money.

There is no such thing as a stupid opinion. I thought the Cintron bet was a good bet because Cintron was just not himself in the first fight. This time, no excuses, he was pumped up and Margarito still took his heart.
I did not bet the fight as I thought it would be much closer than the first.

Guys like Margarito and Johnson take your will and heart away. You need to have real strong fortitude to rumble with them. Dawson impressed me, Cintron didn't.

I love reading everyones point of view so lets focus on bashing the bookies, not each other. :grouphug: :toast:
 

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OK, my bad, I thought you were being serious.

I know like it sounds like I have no respect for Bhop whatsoever. But I do, I think he is a very good fighter and I actually think that he might be on the top of his game right now. I dont think that he is anywhere near to being a shot fighter and I think Calzaghe will have his hands full on Saturday.

I just dont see him beating Calzaghe though. I think Calzaghe is just a flat out winner and refuses to lose. His workrate is awesome, Hopkins work rate is far from it. I cant see Hopkins winning this.

But I have definitely been wrong before.

So what are you saying? You think Tarver is a great fighter? If he fights Glen Johnson I would bet Johnson - I really would.
 

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So what are you saying? You think Tarver is a great fighter? If he fights Glen Johnson I would bet Johnson - I really would.


No not at all. I kinda can't stand Tarvers style but i don't think he is washed up. He is solid tho and i to would take Johnson if they fought again.
Weepaul:shrug: you havent been the same since that tennis match you bet.
 

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Somebody maybe in this thread lashed out on corrupt judges and it made me remember something that happen last night. I can't remember what fight but i see this one Judges name and it was someone I knew from my area. I almost fell on the floor. He use to be a ruthless distric Attorney and may still be one. Can't figure out why he would be judging a fight.
 

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After the first Wright loss I've developed this theory in regards to Mosely: He is a great talent and an excellent fighter with great speed. But he just lacks the great technical skills that he needs to beat the best of the best.

If I cant put him top 10 p4p right now I cant call him one of the best fighters of my generation.


The Wright fight was at 154, Mosley was at his best at 135, and he was at the top of the pfp list when he was in his prime and fighting at his natural. What Mosley accomplished at 147 and 154 are amazing considering that he skipped a 140 and was fighting WAY above his natural weight. Mosley shouldn't be knocked for losing to Wright, that was a physical mismatch from the beginning and Winky's southpaw stance made it nearly impossible for Mosley to get off. Yet, in the 2nd fight he almost pulled off the upset, 20 lbs over his natural weight.

There's no dought in my mind Mosley is one of the best fighters of MY generation, anyone who can dominate at their optimum weight, then moves up 20 pounds and beats/almost beats the best of the best...well...nuff said...


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Why would someone have to be in your top 10 pfp right now to be considered one of the best of our generation

I guess Tzsyu, Castillo, DLH, Barrera, Morales...are not great fighters of our generation b/c they aren't in my pfp list right now

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I cant believe you asked that question Box. Those guys are retired, Mosely is active. Would I consider Tszyu one of the best of my generation? Yes, I think he could of beat anybody during his prime. If there is anybody that I think could of taken Floyd at 140 it would of been him. I think that he could of caught Floyd and possibly kod him with the way he was able to cut off the ring and destroy people.

Castillo? Who are you talking about? Jose Luis? Please say youre not. Barrera and Morales? Yeah sure. De La Hoya? I dont know, he hasnt done anything but get beat the last seven or so years.
 

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I cant believe you asked that question Box. Those guys are retired, Mosely is active.

De La Hoya? I dont know, he hasnt done anything but get beat the last seven or so years.


So by that logic, Mosley just needs to retire to get recognized as one of the best in our generation :thinking:

DLH didn't have to do anything over the last 7 years, he already proved he's one of the best a long time ago. A world champion in 6 different weight classes...lol...I can't believe we're even having this conversation. DLH is easily one of the best in our generation and its not even debatable. The fact that you're not sure about Oscar means I can't continue having this conversation, its absolutely rediculous

One question though before I move on to more important issues.....if DLH (who won titles at 6 different weights) is not one of the best of our time...who the hell is?


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No not at all. I kinda can't stand Tarvers style but i don't think he is washed up. He is solid tho and i to would take Johnson if they fought again.
Weepaul:shrug: you havent been the same since that tennis match you bet.

What do you mean Bro?

That tennis match was just a piss in the Atlantic.

I like hearing the opinions of all the guys on this board because we all seem to have the same goal. Crush the bookies.

There are some forums were some dickheads seem to get their jolly's when someone suffers a big loss. I detest those types of people.

All the posters on this board are cool in my book.

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