I think he would win in the biggest landside in US history, and I tend to side more to the republican view than the democrats.
If Bill Clinton could run in this election?
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I agree. He is probably one of the best politicians that my generation has seen. That's not necessarily a compliment, but the guy does the politicing almost flawlessly. I don't agree with what he says, but he has an uncanny ability to turn a room into putty.
stevie,
you keep saying that bush lied.
but didn't the 911 commission, & a british commissions & another commission (forgot it's name) say that bush didn;t lie about iraq ?
instead the blame should go to the faulty intelligence that everybody was given.
you keep saying that bush lied.
but didn't the 911 commission, & a british commissions & another commission (forgot it's name) say that bush didn;t lie about iraq ?
instead the blame should go to the faulty intelligence that everybody was given.
Lets say they use any info to make war read the way they wanted. We will give them a pass on lies. Just never asked for the whole truth. But then there is this tax cut for the rich thing they keep the lie going.
I always thought it was his job to take in the information that his staff delivers to him and make the best decision based on the information he has in front of him.
A good plan executed today is infinitely better than the perfect plan executed next week.
A good plan executed today is infinitely better than the perfect plan executed next week.
My God Stevie you are absolutely the funniest SOB I have every seen, unbelievable that you actual believe the crap you write :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie
Marine my daughter could read the reports he and his staff are charged with a higher responsibility than that. And if he thought Hussein had stockpiles of WMD and chemical weapons, and he obviously had no idea where they were, wasn't he being a bit reckless throwing all those bombs over there?
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton,Feb. 4,1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want toseriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of massdestruction program." - President Clinton,Feb. 17,1998
Iraq is a long way from[here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that theleaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weaponsagainst us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." -Madeline Albright,Feb 18,1998
"Hewill use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since1983." - Sandy Berger,Clinton National SecurityAdviser, Feb,18,1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution andlaws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missilestrikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed byIraq's refusal to endits weapons of mass destruction programs! ." -Letter to PresidentClinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D -MA), and others Oct. 9,1998
"Saddam Husseinhas been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technologywhich is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of theweapons inspection process." - Rep.Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec.16, 1998
"Hussein has... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction andpalaces for ! his cronies." > - Madeline Albright,Clinton Secretary of State,Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weaponsprograms. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programscontinue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddamcontinues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of alicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten theUnitedStates and our allies." -Letter to PresidentBush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) andothers, December 5,2001
"We begin withthe common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace andstability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations andis building weapons of mass destruction and the means of deliveringthem." - Sen. Carl Levin (D,MI), Sept. 19,2002
"We know thathe has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout hiscountry." - Al Gore, Sept. 23,2002
"Iraq's search forweapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assumethat it will continue for as long as Saddam is inpower." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have knownfor many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D,MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UNweapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that SaddamHussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that hehas since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biologicalwarfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclearweapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D,WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- ifnecessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal ofweapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to oursecurity." - Sen.John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to developnuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddamhas made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-Sen. Jay Rockefeller(D, WV), Oct 10,2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significantUN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical andbiological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -Rep. Henry Waxman (D,CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the fouryears since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missiledelivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort,and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however,that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity towage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton(D, NY), Oct 10,2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has,and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D,FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA),Jan. 23. 2003
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want toseriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of massdestruction program." - President Clinton,Feb. 17,1998
Iraq is a long way from[here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that theleaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weaponsagainst us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." -Madeline Albright,Feb 18,1998
"Hewill use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since1983." - Sandy Berger,Clinton National SecurityAdviser, Feb,18,1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution andlaws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missilestrikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed byIraq's refusal to endits weapons of mass destruction programs! ." -Letter to PresidentClinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D -MA), and others Oct. 9,1998
"Saddam Husseinhas been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technologywhich is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of theweapons inspection process." - Rep.Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec.16, 1998
"Hussein has... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction andpalaces for ! his cronies." > - Madeline Albright,Clinton Secretary of State,Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weaponsprograms. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programscontinue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddamcontinues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of alicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten theUnitedStates and our allies." -Letter to PresidentBush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) andothers, December 5,2001
"We begin withthe common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace andstability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations andis building weapons of mass destruction and the means of deliveringthem." - Sen. Carl Levin (D,MI), Sept. 19,2002
"We know thathe has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout hiscountry." - Al Gore, Sept. 23,2002
"Iraq's search forweapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assumethat it will continue for as long as Saddam is inpower." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have knownfor many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D,MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UNweapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that SaddamHussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that hehas since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biologicalwarfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclearweapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D,WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- ifnecessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal ofweapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to oursecurity." - Sen.John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to developnuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddamhas made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-Sen. Jay Rockefeller(D, WV), Oct 10,2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significantUN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical andbiological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -Rep. Henry Waxman (D,CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the fouryears since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missiledelivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort,and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however,that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity towage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton(D, NY), Oct 10,2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has,and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D,FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA),Jan. 23. 2003
is anyone else responsible for every vote they make, statement they make, etc. etc. blah blah blah blah blah?
in tommy franks upcoming autobiography he states that just before the war started mubarak from egypt & the kingr from jordan told frank that saddam does have wmd's & will use them on the allied troops.
it seems that evey leader from bush & blair to the leaders from the middle east all thought that
saddam had wmd's.
also putin told bush twice that kgb had evidence that saddam was going to attack the u.s. british intelligence pretty much echoed what putin said.
it's funny that the same people that are criticizing bush for attacking bush would have criticized bush if he did nothing & the u.s. was attacked by saddam.
it seems that evey leader from bush & blair to the leaders from the middle east all thought that
saddam had wmd's.
also putin told bush twice that kgb had evidence that saddam was going to attack the u.s. british intelligence pretty much echoed what putin said.
it's funny that the same people that are criticizing bush for attacking bush would have criticized bush if he did nothing & the u.s. was attacked by saddam.
i wonder why kerry and edwards voted for the invasion?....were they also liars?......fools?....they were aware of the intelligence...
i agree it was on bush`s watch...he takes the flak...but,a liar?....c`mon...
stevie,that`s michael moore talking......howard dean....the great rev. al sharpton......i think this kind of stuff does your side more harm than good...
you know,the dems honestly could have had my ear....and many others...if they`d had more keynote speakers like obama and clinton........maybe joe lieberman and evan bayh....
not sharpton....dean....the bad kennedy(how pathetic is it that this clown is the surviving brother...fate has a cruel sense of humor).......jerkoff baltimore mayor o`malley and other extreme left wingers....giving moore a key floor position at the convention...
not talk about coming to the middle...actually come to the middle...kerry`s left wing voting record and the association with the bomb throwers says more than his lipservice to middle america....
and btw,
i still say...and will continue to say...that the book on iraqi wmd`s isn`t closed yet....it`s way to early to call the issue closed...with the possiblity of stuff still being buried...with the possibility that stuff got trucked out of country prior to the war....lord knows,there was plenty of time..thanks to the u.n.....
i still find no rational reason for saddam allowing himself to be taken out for nothing...all he had to do was open up....show how he disposed of the chemical weapons.....if he had nothing,why?.....
why?????
and while we`re talking impossibilities and improbablilities here,why not have colin powell run for the republicans?....at least as v.p.....or mccain.....you`re only one bad medical report for cheney away from having a major problem here......
now that would be interesting....
i agree it was on bush`s watch...he takes the flak...but,a liar?....c`mon...
stevie,that`s michael moore talking......howard dean....the great rev. al sharpton......i think this kind of stuff does your side more harm than good...
you know,the dems honestly could have had my ear....and many others...if they`d had more keynote speakers like obama and clinton........maybe joe lieberman and evan bayh....
not sharpton....dean....the bad kennedy(how pathetic is it that this clown is the surviving brother...fate has a cruel sense of humor).......jerkoff baltimore mayor o`malley and other extreme left wingers....giving moore a key floor position at the convention...
not talk about coming to the middle...actually come to the middle...kerry`s left wing voting record and the association with the bomb throwers says more than his lipservice to middle america....
and btw,
i still say...and will continue to say...that the book on iraqi wmd`s isn`t closed yet....it`s way to early to call the issue closed...with the possiblity of stuff still being buried...with the possibility that stuff got trucked out of country prior to the war....lord knows,there was plenty of time..thanks to the u.n.....
i still find no rational reason for saddam allowing himself to be taken out for nothing...all he had to do was open up....show how he disposed of the chemical weapons.....if he had nothing,why?.....
why?????
and while we`re talking impossibilities and improbablilities here,why not have colin powell run for the republicans?....at least as v.p.....or mccain.....you`re only one bad medical report for cheney away from having a major problem here......
now that would be interesting....
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the whole argument the liberals make is a fraud...i cant even believe i let it bother me....but they deceive so many people here and abroad selling our credibility for a few votes
agreed...sorry for straying off topic...clinton beats bush easily...
being in an unpopular war is quite an albatross for an incumbent... ....
being in an unpopular war is quite an albatross for an incumbent... ....
If I had to wager on who would win between Bush/Clinton I would wager on Clinton. He is probably the best pure politician of all time
and as I said many times the demographics of the U.S. is changing dramatically. 10 years from now I think it will be extremely hard for any conservative to get elected.
I think Clinton over Kerry would be a huge landslide for Clinton in a primary--basically because he would garner most of moderate dem votes.
While I admittedly am watching convension through biased eyes it appears to me that while they are trying to garner the moderates they are not doing to well with all their movie stars ect.
I think best speaker they had for the moderate voter is the young man from Illinios.
Been enjoying these little side interviews the most.One from writer from Boston paper that has followed Kerry noted he was homeless from the time he got divorced till his next marriage. Thought that was interesting.
My fav was interview with Del Sandusky as this military thing is most intriging to me.
Did anyone else see it? I will tryand cut and paste if it becomes available. You won't see it in any liberal paper I can guarantee you.It shed a little light on validity of his claims.
a couple case in points.
Was asked if some of footage from war shown at convention was filmed after the fact on reenactments.He claimed no, and only knew of a few cameras on board by personel.
Hmm Really then who took all these" 8mm films" of Kerry.
For the record I never saw anyone carry filming equipment except the press. Hope there is more on this later as I am curious of an explaination.
Was also asked if he had any resentment of serving full term there and Kerry bailing out in 4 months. He said Hell no anyone being SHOT 3 times deserves to go home. YES he said SHOT!!
So any info from this idiot wiill be dicounted by this one unless it can be proven by someone else.
Somehow I think we will see replay of this interview in the future
and as I said many times the demographics of the U.S. is changing dramatically. 10 years from now I think it will be extremely hard for any conservative to get elected.
I think Clinton over Kerry would be a huge landslide for Clinton in a primary--basically because he would garner most of moderate dem votes.
While I admittedly am watching convension through biased eyes it appears to me that while they are trying to garner the moderates they are not doing to well with all their movie stars ect.
I think best speaker they had for the moderate voter is the young man from Illinios.
Been enjoying these little side interviews the most.One from writer from Boston paper that has followed Kerry noted he was homeless from the time he got divorced till his next marriage. Thought that was interesting.
My fav was interview with Del Sandusky as this military thing is most intriging to me.
Did anyone else see it? I will tryand cut and paste if it becomes available. You won't see it in any liberal paper I can guarantee you.It shed a little light on validity of his claims.
a couple case in points.
Was asked if some of footage from war shown at convention was filmed after the fact on reenactments.He claimed no, and only knew of a few cameras on board by personel.
Hmm Really then who took all these" 8mm films" of Kerry.
For the record I never saw anyone carry filming equipment except the press. Hope there is more on this later as I am curious of an explaination.
Was also asked if he had any resentment of serving full term there and Kerry bailing out in 4 months. He said Hell no anyone being SHOT 3 times deserves to go home. YES he said SHOT!!
So any info from this idiot wiill be dicounted by this one unless it can be proven by someone else.
Somehow I think we will see replay of this interview in the future
