Invasion!!!!

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Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison and the rest of them are rolling over in their graves!!!

Who would have ever thought we would let foreign nationals march down our city streets waving their flag in hand MOCKING our LAWS!!!

We are a country which is under the RULE OF LAW and it is getting HANDED TO US!!!

Wake up Citizenry!!!

Why are these people not being rounded up and deported???

Where is the last patriot???

Would the last American in the Great Southwest please grab the flag?
 

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Big business, politicians, and judges conspire against the citizenry on this issue. Outside of joining the Minutemen, it seems to be slipping out of the peoples' hands.

The wealthy love this crap. Cheap labor. Meanwhile, they are insulated from the side effects.

Bush calls the Minutemen "vigilantes", and then welcomes Presidente Fox into his home to throw a few more insults at the American people.

Again - why do conservatives like Bush?
 

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This immigration matter is of a serious nature. The key of entire issue is latino vote.
The ONLY solution is bi partisan commitee where both parties take equal responsibility on rulings.
You have both sides trying to pussy foot when they both know what needs to be done.
Can the conservatives really afford to do whats best? With Dems already getting 80% of black vote--if they garner 80% of Latino vote we will in fact have country run by minority--Hello socialism--
Could the U.S. in 20 years be mirror image of France today?
 

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Dogs, I keep hearing about this "lost Latino vote" thing. Don't people have to be a U.S. Citizen to vote? Don't they have to be registered to vote? What do illegal aliens have to do with voting in the U.S?

I realize that minorities gravitate to the democratic party. They have no alternatives, that's for sure. But aren't we talking about illegal aliens here? And not minority citizens of the U.S?
 

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dr. freeze said:
we dont

however when we look at the alternative, there is nothing to do but to support him
:iagree:

bush never was, never will be a true conservative

but compared to algore and skerry....there was no doubt who to support.
 

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i agree....you cannot reward people for breaking the law.....

i find it amazing that vincente fox gets a free pass on this issue......why doesn't he get criticized for not developing jobs for his people ?
 

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here is an article i just read on the subject....


Senators Back Guest Workers
Panel's Measure Sides With Bush

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 28, 2006; A01



A key Senate panel broke with the House's get-tough approach to illegal immigration yesterday and sent to the floor a broad revision of the nation's immigration laws that would provide lawful employment to millions of undocumented workers while offering work visas to hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year.

With bipartisan support, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted 12 to 6 to side with President Bush's general approach to an immigration issue that is dividing the country, fracturing the Republican Party and ripening into one of the biggest political debates of this election year. Conservatives have loudly demanded that the government tighten control of U.S. borders and begin deporting illegal immigrants. But in recent weeks, the immigrant community has risen up in protest, marching by the hundreds of thousands to denounce what they see as draconian measures under consideration in Washington.

"There is no issue outside of civil rights that brings out the kind of emotions we have seen," said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.), one of the bill's primary sponsors, who called the controversy "a defining issue of our times."

Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) rushed committee members to complete their work to meet a midnight deadline imposed by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who favors a tougher approach more in line with the version passed by the House last December. But once the committee had acted, Frist declined to say last night whether he would substitute the committee's legislation for his own, which includes no guest-worker program.

Frist's efforts to wrest control of the issue from the Judiciary Committee could produce a power struggle among Republicans once the majority leader brings up the issue for debate and votes in the full Senate, probably this week. Specter and the other committee leaders may have to muscle their bill through as an amendment if Frist refuses to back down.

Frist, a presidential aspirant whom Bush helped elect as majority leader, favors tightening control of the nation's borders without granting what he calls amnesty to the approximately 11 million illegal immigrants living in this country. But Bush favors a comprehensive approach, which he says must include some program to answer business's need for immigrant labor.

"Congress needs to pass a comprehensive bill that secures the border, improves interior enforcement, and creates a temporary-worker program to strengthen our security and our economy," Bush said yesterday at a ceremony to swear in 30 new U.S. citizens from 20 countries. "Completing a comprehensive bill is not going to be easy. It will require all of us in Washington to make tough choices and make compromises."

Polls indicate about 60 percent of Americans oppose guest-worker programs that would offer illegal immigrants an avenue to lawful work status, and three-quarters of the country believe the government is doing too little to secure the nation's borders.

But the immigrant community has been galvanized by what it sees as a heavy-handed crackdown on undocumented workers by Washington. The House in December rejected calls for a guest-worker program and instead approved a bill that would stiffen penalties on illegal immigrants, force businesses to run the names of each employee through federal databases to prove their legality, deploy more border agents and unmanned aerial vehicles to the nation's frontiers and build massive walls along sections of the U.S.-Mexican border.

At least 14,000 students stormed out of schools in Southern California and elsewhere yesterday, waving flags and chanting to protest congressional actions. About 100 demonstrators, including members of the clergy, appeared at the Capitol yesterday in handcuffs to object to provisions in the House bill that would make illegal immigrants into felons and criminalize humanitarian groups that feed and house them. More than a half-million marchers protested in Los Angeles on Saturday, following protests in Phoenix, Milwaukee and Philadelphia.

"The immigration debate should be conducted in a civil and dignified way," Bush said. "No one should play on people's fears, or try to pit neighbors against each other."

A confrontation between the Senate and House Republicans now appears inevitable.

"We are eager, once the Senate passes this bill, to sit down and talk with them, but there are certain fundamental principles which we simply cannot compromise on," said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who cosponsored the bill that passed the Judiciary Committee largely intact last night. "It has to be a comprehensive approach. As we all know, just building walls and hiring more border patrols are not the answers to our immigration problem."

Specter, the committee chairman, had tried for weeks to find a middle ground between senators advocating a generous guest-worker program and those categorically rejecting amnesty for illegal immigrants. In the end, that search for a compromise failed because advocates of the guest-worker program had more than enough votes to overcome conservative opposition.

The panel voted to accept a bill largely patterned on the measure sponsored by Kennedy and McCain. Specter and Republican Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.), Sam Brownback (Kan.) and Mike DeWine (Ohio) joined the committee's Democrats to win passage.

The panel's bill would allow the estimated 11 million illegal immigrants in this country to apply for a work visa after paying back taxes and a penalty. The first three-year visa could be renewed for three more years. After four years, visa holders could apply for green cards and begin moving toward citizenship. An additional 400,000 such visas would be offered each year to workers seeking to enter the country.

Senators also accepted a proposal by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) that would offer 1.5 million illegal farmworkers a "blue card" visa that would legalize their status. The committee also accepted a provision by Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.) that would shield humanitarian organizations from prosecution for providing more than simple emergency aid to illegal immigrants, rejecting an amendment by Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) to require humanitarian groups providing food, medical aid and advice to illegal immigrants to register with the Department of Homeland Security.

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) protested that the Feinstein proposal was more focused on offering illegal immigrants a path to citizenship than meeting the labor demands of agriculture. Cornyn suggested the Judiciary Committee bill was moving toward creating a caste of second-class workers.

But Cornyn may have summed up Senate fears when he referred to energized voters protesting what they see as amnesty for people who violated the nation's laws and made a mockery of its borders.

"The American people are thinking, 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me,' " he said. "The only way we can get the confidence of the American people is to convince them we are absolutely serious about border security and law enforcement."
 

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You just know big business gotta be behind this when Bush puts in that "Guest Worker Program".

That's BS.

imagine this converation:

Hmm, well Carlitos, my son, I know you have lived here since you were 2 years old and are now 11. You barely speak spanish and know nothing about our dear Mejico, but we must leave now to go back home to the slums of Guadalajara where instead of riding the school bus every morning you will jump on a burro at 5 a.m. or walk 6 miles to the nearest education center. Forget about McDonalds, it's bad for you, plus I'm not going to make enough money to eat at McDonalds anymore.
Perhaps we can take our car back and sell it for triple the price and with that get two bicycles and a scooter.
And please, don't get sick, for the nearest hospital is miles away and there rarely is even saline solution or gauze there.

But, we must go for it is the law. It has been nice here but I reeeeeeeeeeally want to go back.


My Ass!

BTW, why do all immigrants say "perhaps"? At least they do in the movies.

Life's a bitch.
 

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It ain't just undocumented workers.

You have extended nuclear families, from the grandparents to infants to relatives, entering in unprecedented numbers.

Invest in Taco Shells.
 

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"Don't they have to be registered to vote?"

Not talking about illegals voting but who do you think Latino citizens will sympathize with--do you think the 500,000 proptestors were all illegals?

---Now a question for you--with the liberals petitioning for felons voting rights how could you rule out anything?
 

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Why don't we send 2/3 million into Mexico? Because they would shoot us. Were to late now. Some half ass law will pass and everyone will say see we fixed it. B S.
 

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I like how they talk about doing the jobs no one else is willing to do. Newsflash for you illegals, someone did them before you all came. Leave and perhaps real wages for the working class might finally start going back up and quality of work will improve.
 

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i keep hearing that illegals take the jobs that the americans don't want......

does anybody know if these illegals are making less than the minimum wage ?.....or is it the minimum wage ?
 

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Spanish Media Organized Nationwide Mass Protests
AP) LOS ANGELES The marching orders were clear: Carry American flags and pack the kids, pick up your trash and wear white for peace and for effect.

Many of the 500,000 people who crammed downtown Los Angeles on Saturday to protest legislation that would make criminals out of illegal immigrants learned where, when and even how to demonstrate from the Spanish-language media.

For English-speaking America, the mass protests in Los Angeles and other U.S. cities over the past few days have been surprising for their size and seeming spontaneity.

But they were organized, promoted or publicized for weeks by Spanish-language radio hosts and TV anchors as a demonstration of Hispanic pride and power.

In Milwaukee, where at least 10,000 people rallied last week, one radio station manager called some employers to ask that they not fire protesters for skipping work. In Chicago, a demonstration that drew 100,000 people received coverage on local television more than a week in advance.

"This was a much bigger story for the Latino media," said Felix Gutierrez, a professor at the University of Southern California's Annenberg School for Communication. "If the mainstream media had been paying better attention, there would not have been the surprise about the turnout."

Adrian Velasco first learned of House legislation to overhaul immigration policy on Los Angeles' Que Buena 105.5 FM. Over two weeks, the 30-year-old illegal immigrant soaked up details about the planned march against the bill from Hispanic TV and radio. On Saturday, he and three friends headed downtown.

"They told all the Hispanic people to go and support these things," Velasco said. "They explained a lot. They said, 'Here's what we're going to do."'

One of those doing the most talking was El Piolin, a syndicated morning show radio host who is broadcast in 20 cities.

El Piolin, whose real name is Eduardo Sotelo and whose nickname means "Tweety Bird," persuaded colleagues from 11 Spanish-language radio stations in Los Angeles to talk up the rally on air.

He said he devised the idea of telling protesters to wear white and carry flags to symbolize their peaceful intent and love of the United States. He also urged parents to bring their children to minimize chances of violence and reminded everyone to bring plenty of water and trash bags.

"I was talking about how we need to be united to demonstrate that we're not bad guys and we're not criminals," said Sotelo, 35, who crossed into the United States as a teenager and became legal in 1996.

In Milwaukee, the Spanish-language station WDDW 104.7 made a point of publicizing the House legislation and the protest against it on its morning and drive-time shows two weeks ahead of time.

Operations manager Armando Ulloa said his goal was at least 10,000 people -- and police estimated that was what the rally attracted. After the march, Ulloa said, he called some employers and asked them to be lenient on protesters who missed their shifts.

In Los Angeles, 10 prime-time Spanish-language news anchors filmed a promotion urging demonstrators to show respect, said Julio Cesar Ortiz, a television reporter who covers immigration.

"The Spanish media said, 'Do it in a proper way. Do it in a way where's there's pride behind it when you're done,"' Ortiz said.

Telemundo Chicago, a Spanish-language TV station, began its coverage blitz 1 1/2 weeks before a recent rally, though there was no urging that viewers attend, said news director Esteban Creste.

"We just told them what was going on," Creste said. "While we were not trying to mobilize people, it might have prompted people to decide to go there."

The protests continued Tuesday in at least four states, with thousands of students leaving school again in California, Arizona, Texas and Nevada.

In Los Angeles, the numbers were far smaller than the tens of thousands who marched Monday. Authorities thwarted efforts to block freeway traffic, rounding up some youngsters and issuing truancy citations.

In Phoenix, students marched to the state Capitol for the second day in a row. In Las Vegas, they rallied near the Strip after being directed away from casinos.

And in Dallas, students crowded in front of City Hall, waving Mexican and Salvadoran flags and shouting "We can do it" in Spanish.

The protests jammed roads. A Dallas school district spokesman said a girl's hand was severed when the sport utility vehicle she was in sped into an intersection and overturned.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
"Don't they have to be registered to vote?"

Not talking about illegals voting but who do you think Latino citizens will sympathize with--do you think the 500,000 proptestors were all illegals?

---Now a question for you--with the liberals petitioning for felons voting rights how could you rule out anything?

I'm not familiar with the "liberals petitioning for felons voting rights" issue...can you reference that, would be interested to learn more about it. Sounds like kind of a broad paintbrush thing (liberals in general) that might be pretty specific, but I don't know.

Not sure I follow your point, but admittedly I have not kept up with this closely enough. Aren't both parties pretty split on this issue? I have not read a lot on this and would assume that liberals probably favor assimilating the people already here into society moreso than conservatives, but it seems that half (guess) of the conservatives seem to be squirming for political reasons as well. Wondering why conservatives care too much, since you guys maintain that minorities gravitate to the democratic party? Shouldn't tried and true conservatives stick to kicking out the illegals to STRENGHTHEN their power base? I guess I really don't understand this issue that well.
 

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Isn't this pleasant (flying outside of a high school) and I belive their ultimate goal- what I don't get if Mexico is so great WTF are you doing here? They seem to have done a great job in Mexico. :rolleyes:

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ryson said:
Isn't this pleasant (flying outside of a high school) and I belive their ultimate goal- what I don't get if Mexico is so great WTF are you doing here? They seem to have done a great job in Mexico. :rolleyes:

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Good question. What's the motive for insulting the country they've come to for opportunity and doing anything other than denounce the corrupt system they just risked life to get away from? Mexico is easily the most corrupt, racist, oppresive society in North America. Is there ever momentum to fix what's wrong there?

As for the immigrants, they should be more like our butcher friend from Gangs of New York. F%*k Ireland and Mexico - your in America now!

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Ol' boy prattling on right now with heartwrenching tales of how under the current program Mexicans have to risk their lives in brutal heat to sneak across our borders and how this must change. No kidding. WTF is going on???
 
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