Estes starts 70-75
Well I'm trying not to get too depressed
It's nothing a 52 wouldn't put right today!!
Well I'm trying not to get too depressed
It's nothing a 52 wouldn't put right today!!
Invensys Classic
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2nd rd results 0-1
Sutherland/Coceres loss
tough lost,match cost me parlay also
3rd rd
Sutherland +100 over Coceres @ 365 (ties lose)
yes same match as yesterday,glutton for punishment
Pampling -103 over Triplett @ 5dimes
Pampling started slow 1st day but came back strong yesterday with 6 under.
Dimarco -115 over Riley @ 5dimes
Class A player vs B+ at tolerable odds
random notes.
BM concerning Estes,don't know if you watched tourney but at beginning of rd he hit flagstick only to bounce backward into water.If you could read his lips looked like he said F-It and had no effort from then on.
Most interesting thing all day in viewing was watching 13 year old Philippina kid beat his pro, Steve Jones by 2 scratch on back nine. Kid fired a "gross" 2 under on back nine carding 5 natural birdies on day.He was listed as 8 hcp. Hit an iron from 183 over water bout 20 ft from pin,pretty stout for 13 year old.
Kenny Perry sqeeks in top 30 and then takes next 3 weeks off?? He'll be knocked out this week.He played in pro/member here monday and shot 79 on 6,700 yd pitch and putt CC in Glasgow(hope Neemer isn't reading this its his home course):lol:
and Spike might be struggling on course but not a home as he has his 3rd in 3 years,a 5lb 8 oz girl this time. Ian and Clive have their work cut out for them:grins:
and whats with Oly,Wsex and sportingbet not putting up any lines past 2 days.
Another oddity with 3 day pro am you have half players getting 2 am tees which you'd think would be advantage however reverse is true as 1st calm all day and more of same projected for today however yesterday HUGE advantage to early T's as wind whipped up in pm.Almost all in top 20 are from am T's yesteday with exception of Lowery and McCarron I believe.
Sutherland/Coceres loss
tough lost,match cost me parlay also
3rd rd
Sutherland +100 over Coceres @ 365 (ties lose)
yes same match as yesterday,glutton for punishment
Pampling -103 over Triplett @ 5dimes
Pampling started slow 1st day but came back strong yesterday with 6 under.
Dimarco -115 over Riley @ 5dimes
Class A player vs B+ at tolerable odds
random notes.
BM concerning Estes,don't know if you watched tourney but at beginning of rd he hit flagstick only to bounce backward into water.If you could read his lips looked like he said F-It and had no effort from then on.
Most interesting thing all day in viewing was watching 13 year old Philippina kid beat his pro, Steve Jones by 2 scratch on back nine. Kid fired a "gross" 2 under on back nine carding 5 natural birdies on day.He was listed as 8 hcp. Hit an iron from 183 over water bout 20 ft from pin,pretty stout for 13 year old.
Kenny Perry sqeeks in top 30 and then takes next 3 weeks off?? He'll be knocked out this week.He played in pro/member here monday and shot 79 on 6,700 yd pitch and putt CC in Glasgow(hope Neemer isn't reading this its his home course):lol:
and Spike might be struggling on course but not a home as he has his 3rd in 3 years,a 5lb 8 oz girl this time. Ian and Clive have their work cut out for them:grins:
and whats with Oly,Wsex and sportingbet not putting up any lines past 2 days.
Another oddity with 3 day pro am you have half players getting 2 am tees which you'd think would be advantage however reverse is true as 1st calm all day and more of same projected for today however yesterday HUGE advantage to early T's as wind whipped up in pm.Almost all in top 20 are from am T's yesteday with exception of Lowery and McCarron I believe.
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Course stats from Rd2 ....
Average score:
Summerlin - 70.28
Southern Hills - 70.46
The Canyons - 69.04
Using the Sagarin Ratings per player to weight the above averages, I get the following:
Southern Hills again played the hardest yesterday
Summerlin played 0.06 shots easier than Southern Hills
The Canyons played 1.46 shots easier than Southern Hills
However, there some high scores at Summerlin in the afternoon and this pulled the average up. The variance of scores at Summerlin was twice as high as that at The Canyons (11.99 vs 5.83; Southern Hills was 9.19), so it appears that the winds were not a factor at The Canyons.
Alternative measures of the 'average' score also confirm that Summerlin didn't play any harder than The Canyons, only there were more higher very scores there:
Median score (if the scores are ranked, it the score that is at the mid-point of this ranking - addresses the problem of skewedness):
Summerlin - 69
Southern Hills - 70
The Canyons - 69
Mode score (the most common score):
Summerlin - 68
Southern Hills - 71
The Canyons - 68
So oppose players who are either playing in the afternoon or at Southern Hills today!
Hope this helps
The scores:
Average score:
Summerlin - 70.28
Southern Hills - 70.46
The Canyons - 69.04
Using the Sagarin Ratings per player to weight the above averages, I get the following:
Southern Hills again played the hardest yesterday
Summerlin played 0.06 shots easier than Southern Hills
The Canyons played 1.46 shots easier than Southern Hills
However, there some high scores at Summerlin in the afternoon and this pulled the average up. The variance of scores at Summerlin was twice as high as that at The Canyons (11.99 vs 5.83; Southern Hills was 9.19), so it appears that the winds were not a factor at The Canyons.
Alternative measures of the 'average' score also confirm that Summerlin didn't play any harder than The Canyons, only there were more higher very scores there:
Median score (if the scores are ranked, it the score that is at the mid-point of this ranking - addresses the problem of skewedness):
Summerlin - 69
Southern Hills - 70
The Canyons - 69
Mode score (the most common score):
Summerlin - 68
Southern Hills - 71
The Canyons - 68
So oppose players who are either playing in the afternoon or at Southern Hills today!
Hope this helps
The scores:
Code:
Course1 Score1 Course2 Score2 Total Player
SoH 66 Can 65 131 Jim Furyk
Can 62 Sum 70 132 Steve Jones
Can 66 Sum 66 132 Jeff Sluman
SoH 67 Can 65 132 Frank Lickliter
Sum 67 SoH 65 132 Charles Howell
Can 66 Sum 67 133 Michael Clark
SoH 65 Can 68 133 Jonathan Byrd
SoH 67 Can 66 133 David Duval
SoH 67 Can 66 133 Phil Tataurangi
Sum 66 SoH 67 133 Chris DiMarco
Can 66 Sum 68 134 Stuart Appleby
Can 68 Sum 66 134 Jay Don Blake
Can 67 Sum 67 134 Olin Browne
Can 67 Sum 67 134 Ben Crane
Can 69 Sum 65 134 Brent Geiberger
Can 66 Sum 68 134 Billy Mayfair
Can 68 Sum 66 134 Tim Petrovic
SoH 64 Can 70 134 Rich Beem
SoH 66 Can 68 134 Bart Bryant
SoH 67 Can 67 134 Joe Durant
Sum 67 SoH 67 134 Steve Allan
Sum 67 SoH 67 134 Robert Gamez
Sum 64 SoH 70 134 J.L. Lewis
Sum 69 SoH 65 134 Rory Sabbatini
Sum 65 SoH 69 134 Scott Verplank
Can 70 Sum 65 135 David Berganio
Can 68 Sum 67 135 Edward Fryatt
Can 66 Sum 69 135 Shaun Micheel
Can 68 Sum 67 135 John Rollins
Can 67 Sum 68 135 Brett Wetterich
SoH 65 Can 70 135 Notah Begay
SoH 69 Can 66 135 Jeff Brehaut
SoH 68 Can 67 135 Dudley Hart
SoH 67 Can 68 135 J.P. Hayes
Sum 67 SoH 68 135 Billy Andrade
Sum 67 SoH 68 135 Steve Lowery
Sum 67 SoH 68 135 Scott McCarron
Sum 65 SoH 70 135 Paul Stankowski
Can 69 Sum 67 136 Fulton Allem
Can 68 Sum 68 136 Stephen Ames
Can 68 Sum 68 136 Chris Smith
Can 68 Sum 68 136 Kenneth Staton
SoH 69 Can 67 136 John Cook
SoH 70 Can 66 136 Brian Gay
SoH 68 Can 68 136 Miguel Angel Jimenez
SoH 70 Can 66 136 Justin Leonard
SoH 69 Can 67 136 Tom Scherrer
SoH 68 Can 68 136 Kirk Triplett
SoH 68 Can 68 136 Bob Tway
SoH 66 Can 70 136 Jay Williamson
Sum 67 SoH 69 136 Robert Allenby
Sum 70 SoH 66 136 Stewart Cink
Sum 67 SoH 69 136 Bubba Dickerson
Sum 65 SoH 71 136 Dan Forsman
Sum 69 SoH 67 136 David Frost
Sum 68 SoH 68 136 J.J. Henry
Sum 65 SoH 71 136 Chris Riley
Can 69 Sum 68 137 Craig Parry
SoH 68 Can 69 137 Carlos Franco
SoH 68 Can 69 137 Harrison Frazar
SoH 65 Can 72 137 John Huston
SoH 72 Can 65 137 Rod Pampling
SoH 66 Can 71 137 Kevin Sutherland
Sum 68 SoH 69 137 Greg Chalmers
Sum 67 SoH 70 137 Matt Gogel
Sum 63 SoH 74 137 Lee Janzen
Sum 69 SoH 68 137 David Peoples
Can 69 Sum 69 138 John Riegger
SoH 68 Can 70 138 Jeff Gove
SoH 70 Can 68 138 Franklin Langham
SoH 66 Can 72 138 Mike Weir
Sum 65 SoH 73 138 Glen Day
Sum 68 SoH 70 138 Brandt Jobe
Sum 69 SoH 69 138 Jonathan Kaye
Can 69 Sum 70 139 Bob Burns
Can 66 Sum 73 139 Tom Byrum
Can 66 Sum 73 139 Russ Cochran
Can 70 Sum 69 139 Kaname Yokoo
SoH 71 Can 68 139 Woody Austin
SoH 72 Can 67 139 Paul Azinger
SoH 69 Can 70 139 Matt Peterson
SoH 70 Can 69 139 Brett Quigley
SoH 68 Can 71 139 Esteban Toledo
Sum 72 SoH 67 139 Joel Edwards
Sum 72 SoH 67 139 Geoff Ogilvy
Sum 66 SoH 73 139 Gene Sauers
Can 71 Sum 69 140 Brian Bateman
Can 65 Sum 75 140 Tim Herron
Can 70 Sum 70 140 Craig Perks
Can 72 Sum 68 140 Craig Stadler
SoH 70 Can 70 140 Per-Ulrik Johansson
SoH 71 Can 69 140 Heath Slocum
Sum 69 SoH 71 140 Mark Brooks
Sum 66 SoH 74 140 Tim Clark
Sum 69 SoH 71 140 Jeff Gallagher
Sum 69 SoH 71 140 Kent Jones
Sum 67 SoH 73 140 Blaine McCallister
Sum 70 SoH 70 140 Jesper Parnevik
Can 70 Sum 71 141 Greg Kraft
Can 69 Sum 72 141 Jeff Maggert
Can 70 Sum 71 141 Bob May
Can 67 Sum 74 141 John Senden
SoH 72 Can 69 141 Cameron Beckman
SoH 72 Can 69 141 Jose Coceres
SoH 68 Can 73 141 Andrew Magee
SoH 70 Can 71 141 Frank Nobilo
SoH 70 Can 71 141 Pat Perez
SoH 70 Can 71 141 Hidemichi Tanaka
Sum 71 SoH 70 141 Billy Harvey
Can 72 Sum 70 142 Stephen Gangluff
SoH 73 Can 69 142 Chad Campbell
SoH 67 Can 75 142 Brandel Chamblee
SoH 71 Can 71 142 Joey Sindelar
Sum 67 SoH 75 142 Craig Barlow
Sum 71 SoH 71 142 Jess Daley
Sum 70 SoH 72 142 Brad Elder
Sum 71 SoH 71 142 David Gossett
Sum 71 SoH 71 142 Grant Waite
Can 69 Sum 74 143 Pat Bates
Can 68 Sum 75 143 Fred Couples
Can 69 Sum 74 143 Peter Jacobsen
Can 71 Sum 72 143 Skip Kendall
SoH 72 Can 71 143 Mark O'Meara
Sum 67 SoH 76 143 Steve Flesch
Sum 67 SoH 76 143 David Morland
Sum 70 SoH 73 143 Mike Sposa
Can 71 Sum 73 144 Mark Calcavecchia
Can 75 Sum 69 144 Jerry Smith
SoH 73 Can 71 144 Tommy Armour
Can 70 Sum 75 145 Bob Estes
Can 73 Sum 72 145 Bill Glasson
Can 69 Sum 76 145 Matt Kuchar
Sum 68 SoH 77 145 Jim Carter
Sum 72 SoH 73 145 Paul Gow
Sum 69 SoH 76 145 Dennis Paulson
Can 69 Sum 77 146 Lee Porter
SoH 74 Can 72 146 Bryce Molder
Can 75 Sum 72 147 John Daly
Can 70 Sum 77 147 Spike McRoy
SoH 72 Can 75 147 Deane Pappas
Sum 72 SoH 75 147 Jeremy Anderson
Sum 77 SoH 71 148 Tom Pernice
Can 74 Sum 78 152 Bo Van Pelt
Can 77 w Ian Leggatt
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Thanks Stan Appreciate the data. Books are plying these 1st 3 days close to vest. Didn't think I saw any course mismatch this am and went back thru them and all my outs have been careful not to line any out of sequence,even $plays who I have not found a wager at yet this week.
Will definately put in my notes for next year data on winds not effecting canyons as much as other two. Nice little tidbit to know.
Thanks
Will definately put in my notes for next year data on winds not effecting canyons as much as other two. Nice little tidbit to know.
Thanks
Drat!!
Someone up there is having me on lately... I mention 6th my players finish 6th.... I mention lots of sub 70 rounds my players then have a 70+, I mention 62 so the same score comes along a day too late.
Fancy sending Estes home when he was just getting going.... I was expecting a wow finish 61-60ish
I demand a new cut rule... any player who improves his previous score by over 10 shots on cut day should make it!!
Addition to the rule.... unless I have laid him or have a match bet against him
Someone up there is having me on lately... I mention 6th my players finish 6th.... I mention lots of sub 70 rounds my players then have a 70+, I mention 62 so the same score comes along a day too late.
Fancy sending Estes home when he was just getting going.... I was expecting a wow finish 61-60ish
I demand a new cut rule... any player who improves his previous score by over 10 shots on cut day should make it!!
Addition to the rule.... unless I have laid him or have a match bet against him
At the cut 3rd rd 1-1-1 & 72 holes 2-0
3rd rd
Sutherland over Coceres Win
Pampling over Tripp loss
Dimarco over Riley push
72 holes
Sutherland/Leggett win
Frasar/Kutchar win
pending
Dimarco/Sluman 3 down
Verplank/Huston 4 down
Appleby/Beem 6 up
Outrights Pampling MC (-9) Mccarron tied at 8th
no in running place wagers available to add.
Can't find 4th rd play remotely close to wager. The books that are lining them are all cloned with exception of 5dimes and Kudos to them but like nothing there either. Hope the wind lights it up last rd and throws some challenge in this event but doesn't look like that will happen.
:shrug:
3rd rd
Sutherland over Coceres Win
Pampling over Tripp loss
Dimarco over Riley push
72 holes
Sutherland/Leggett win
Frasar/Kutchar win
pending
Dimarco/Sluman 3 down
Verplank/Huston 4 down
Appleby/Beem 6 up
Outrights Pampling MC (-9) Mccarron tied at 8th
no in running place wagers available to add.
Can't find 4th rd play remotely close to wager. The books that are lining them are all cloned with exception of 5dimes and Kudos to them but like nothing there either. Hope the wind lights it up last rd and throws some challenge in this event but doesn't look like that will happen.
:shrug:
Mid-point update:
Appleby/Beem Leads by 6
Howell/Beem Leads by 6
Sluman/Beem Leads by 8
Calcavecchia/Daly WON by 15
Verplank/Riley Trails by 2
Furyk 1st
DiMarco 5th
Verplank 43rd
Pretty good event so far. Handsome leads in the matchups and two in the top-5. Only Verplank has disappointed. He had a poor round and lost his top-10 position, but hopefully he can bounce back today and overtake Riley at least. The PGA Tour season is certainly ending better than it started!
Appleby/Beem Leads by 6
Howell/Beem Leads by 6
Sluman/Beem Leads by 8
Calcavecchia/Daly WON by 15
Verplank/Riley Trails by 2
Furyk 1st
DiMarco 5th
Verplank 43rd
Pretty good event so far. Handsome leads in the matchups and two in the top-5. Only Verplank has disappointed. He had a poor round and lost his top-10 position, but hopefully he can bounce back today and overtake Riley at least. The PGA Tour season is certainly ending better than it started!
Got a couple 4th rounders
Furyk -105 over Duval @ $plays
Been scared to fade Duval here as stated from the start.179th driving accuracy means little here as he's ave over 300 yds a drive and whats a wedge from light rough--but will have to give Furyk a look at these odds as he ave almost a stroke less on final rd scoring ave (ranked 13th) and on course he loves.He's beat Duval this week 3 out 4 rds and hope this makes it 4 out of 5.
Verplank -102 over Leonard @ 5Dimes
Despite his under achieving this week will give a shot as he too has almost full stroke advantage on final rd scoring ave as has like this course in the past.
One big misconception I had n this event is I thought the (ties lose) in 90 holes would be less likely to come into play with 18 more holes being played but I have never seen such grouped together scores in a tourney
Furyk -105 over Duval @ $plays
Been scared to fade Duval here as stated from the start.179th driving accuracy means little here as he's ave over 300 yds a drive and whats a wedge from light rough--but will have to give Furyk a look at these odds as he ave almost a stroke less on final rd scoring ave (ranked 13th) and on course he loves.He's beat Duval this week 3 out 4 rds and hope this makes it 4 out of 5.
Verplank -102 over Leonard @ 5Dimes
Despite his under achieving this week will give a shot as he too has almost full stroke advantage on final rd scoring ave as has like this course in the past.
One big misconception I had n this event is I thought the (ties lose) in 90 holes would be less likely to come into play with 18 more holes being played but I have never seen such grouped together scores in a tourney
All's well that end well.... good old betfair! Secured some 54 Tataurangi while he was in joint second place 3 behind Furyk. Think I have tipped him up here at least twice this season.... but of course not this week to save him the dreaded KOD
I was paying enough attention to drop $2 to Win on my boy Phil Tataurangi(110/1) when I saw the Tour was back to some wide open desert golf. I saw he was doing well, but given my run of dodgy football capping, you can't imagine my surprise when I clicked on the computer and saw he was in the clubhouse with the lead, and it held up. I really wish I would have caught some of it on TV.
That gives me $1.50 on Kuchar(110/1), $2.50 on Maruyama(85/1) and $2.00 on Tataurangi(110/1) on less than $300 of such bets during the year, while I hit ZERO champions on the PGA Tour during the year on "regular unit" plays. I still don't know what I'm doing.
Nice job, Phil. It saves me a reload at 5dimes.
GL
That gives me $1.50 on Kuchar(110/1), $2.50 on Maruyama(85/1) and $2.00 on Tataurangi(110/1) on less than $300 of such bets during the year, while I hit ZERO champions on the PGA Tour during the year on "regular unit" plays. I still don't know what I'm doing.
Nice job, Phil. It saves me a reload at 5dimes.
GL
Final update:
Matchups: 4-1-0; +2.75 units
Appleby/Beem WON by 10
Howell/Beem WON by 7
Sluman/Beem WON by 10
Verplank/Riley LOST by 5
Outrights: 1-2; +0.00 units
Furyk 4th
DiMarco 16th
Verplank 51st
Small profit on the event, but it was another one that got away this week. Furyk lead for most of the week, but few had any answer to Tataurangi's final round 62. DiMarco had a disappointing weekend to fall out of a top-5 place, while Verplank only figured on the first day and was a poor player to back this week.
PGA Tour ytd
Matchups: 88-87; -25.93 units
Outrights: 18-85; -0.68 units
All Tours ytd
Matchups: 200-173; +3.81 units
Outrights: 71-270; +158.05 units
Matchups: 4-1-0; +2.75 units
Appleby/Beem WON by 10
Howell/Beem WON by 7
Sluman/Beem WON by 10
Verplank/Riley LOST by 5
Outrights: 1-2; +0.00 units
Furyk 4th
DiMarco 16th
Verplank 51st
Small profit on the event, but it was another one that got away this week. Furyk lead for most of the week, but few had any answer to Tataurangi's final round 62. DiMarco had a disappointing weekend to fall out of a top-5 place, while Verplank only figured on the first day and was a poor player to back this week.
PGA Tour ytd
Matchups: 88-87; -25.93 units
Outrights: 18-85; -0.68 units
All Tours ytd
Matchups: 200-173; +3.81 units
Outrights: 71-270; +158.05 units
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finals 5th rd 1-1 remaining 90 holes 1-2
4th rd
Furyk over Duval win
Verplank over Leonard loss
remaining 90 holes
Dimarco/Sluman loss
Verplank/Huston loss
Applyby/Beem win
Outrights Pampling cut- Mccarron hung in till last day.
Outrights week -1unit ytd ytd +42.5
Matches week 6-6-1 ytd 268-257
units week -.41 ytd +7.99
Nice job by Stan. Closing out this year strongly,stringing several fine weeks.:toast:
4th rd
Furyk over Duval win
Verplank over Leonard loss
remaining 90 holes
Dimarco/Sluman loss
Verplank/Huston loss
Applyby/Beem win
Outrights Pampling cut- Mccarron hung in till last day.
Outrights week -1unit ytd ytd +42.5
Matches week 6-6-1 ytd 268-257
units week -.41 ytd +7.99
Nice job by Stan. Closing out this year strongly,stringing several fine weeks.:toast:
