Iraqi Soccer Team not Bush supporters??

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How Can this be? After All W has done.

PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday.

Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign advertisements.

In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes."

"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."

The Bush campaign was contacted about the Iraqi soccer player's statements, but has yet to respond.

To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using their team for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions in Iraq. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."

Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins.

"I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away."

Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.

"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq."

Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament.

When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also."
 

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There was a story on that team in ESPN magazine a little while ago that touched on stuff like this as well. Apparently one of Uday's boys is still in charge of the soccer federation, and the players are still in fear. It was an interesting read.
 

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"Iraqi Soccer Team not Bush supporters??"

Not sure how Dogs That Bark will explain this one. These aren't just the usual, evil Arab types that are against Bush, these are the people that we so kindly liberated. Maybe these soccer players are terrorists or something. After all, only a terrorist type could possibly be pulling for Kerry.
 

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"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."



"My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

"The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."


"I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away."

In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.

"I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?"


"The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also."


Yeah, they seemed thrilled with their 'liberation'.
 

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Very nice to hear that George liberated the Iraqi soccer team.
 

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Well how whould you all feal about someone thats blows up half your country for soemthing that's not there. Then tells you your safer. But every day your fellow country men are dieing in the streets. Just what would you think if that was happening to your home.
 

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To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using their team for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions in Iraq. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"


That's some pretty strong stuff.

One of the best quotes I have seen in a long time.
 

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hmmm I thought our country liberated Iraq.....thats me, you, GWB, John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Hillary Clinton all supporting the same cause
 

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That was Afgan doc. Half of America still has no idea what were doing in Iraq. And half believe we went there on lies. This Iraq chit is doing to this ocuntry what Nam did.
 

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I would report as follows Matt.
You have a report from a person in Greece on a player---before we invaded these people they were tortured by Saddam and sons--now they are in olympics--let me ask you in which position do you feel they prefer?
Please don't say they are not better off or do not feel any safer :)

It takes a die hard liberal to find something negative out of monumental accomplishment of Iraq being in olympics for 1st time since who knows when because Bush just happened to be responsible for their being there. I don't know their true thoughts but I know what they should be.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK said:
Please don't say they are not better off or do not feel any safer

I dunno Wayne. Judging from their own comments, they don't seem to feel all that happy or safe.


It takes a die hard liberal to find something negative out of monumental accomplishment of Iraq being in olympics for 1st time since who knows when because Bush just happened to be responsible for their being there.


Well, of course there is nothing 'negative' in itself about Iraq being in the Olympics. However, the list of negatives about us even being there is overwhelming compared to 'Iraq is playing soccer again'.


I don't know their true thoughts but I know what they should be.

No. You know how *you* would feel. You have no right to state how *they* should feel. This goes back to the inability of some to try to understand a whole different mindset. This indifference that is also displayed by the admin is in large part the reason we are where we are right now.

As far as how you 'don't know their true thoughts', how about their thoughts from the article. Unless the quotes are totally made up, I think that their thoughts are quite clear.
 

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Maybe you have a point and I am considering what I would think and not them.

It's hard for me to reason why they say that we are killing their citizens and nothing about the terrorist and their own people killing each other at about a 2 to 1 ratio--and as we try to rebuild their country they have fellow muslims burn and sabatoge it. Just defies all logic to me I quess.
 

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No. You know how *you* would feel. You have no right to state how *they* should feel. This goes back to the inability of some to try to understand a whole different mindset. This indifference that is also displayed by the admin is in large part the reason we are where we are right now.

As far as how you 'don't know their true thoughts', how about their thoughts from the article. Unless the quotes are totally made up, I think that their thoughts are quite clear.

Yes Dogs. what got into you? We should instead look down on ppl who disagree w/us and blame ourselves for the actions/attitudes of those who hate us...DENVER, Colorado (Reuters) -- "Shoe bomber" Richard Reid has sued U.S. prison authorities for imposing harsh conditions including isolation and a lack of access to Arabic language religious books.

Reid is serving a life sentence for attempting to use explosives in his shoes to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami three months after the September 11 attacks.

Reid, a British citizen, wants a judge to order prison authorities to give him "the same rights and privileges as other inmates held in this prison."

Reid has been at the Administrative Maximum Facility in Colorado, popularly known as Supermax, since February 2003.

In May, a federal prison official told Reid U.S. authorities had ordered special administrative measures to restrict Reid's access to mail, media, telephone and visitors.

"These measures have been imposed because there is a substantial risk that your communications or contacts with persons could result in death or serious bodily injury," the official wrote.

In the handwritten suit, filed in U.S. district court in Denver on Wednesday, Reid said he has a window he cannot see out of and is denied access to broadcast and print news.
 

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Chanman said:
DENVER, Colorado (Reuters) -- "Shoe bomber" Richard Reid has sued U.S. prison authorities for imposing harsh conditions including isolation and a lack of access to Arabic language religious books.

Reid is serving a life sentence for attempting to use explosives in his shoes to blow up an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami three months after the September 11 attacks.

Reid, a British citizen, wants a judge to order prison authorities to give him "the same rights and privileges as other inmates held in this prison."

Reid has been at the Administrative Maximum Facility in Colorado, popularly known as Supermax, since February 2003.

In May, a federal prison official told Reid U.S. authorities had ordered special administrative measures to restrict Reid's access to mail, media, telephone and visitors.

"These measures have been imposed because there is a substantial risk that your communications or contacts with persons could result in death or serious bodily injury," the official wrote.

In the handwritten suit, filed in U.S. district court in Denver on Wednesday, Reid said he has a window he cannot see out of and is denied access to broadcast and print news.

Not sure why you posted this Chanman, but doesn't it raise an interesting point??

If Reid had have blown up the plane and killed 200+ people, would the US then have invaded the UK for producing such evil minded people?? :idea: ;)
 
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Geez you two are right. Here I thought I'd post something interesting about how the 'Shoe Bomber' is suing over harsh conditions-(not much of a warrior huh?)- and I really meant we should attack England.
Again its all our fault that we drove him to it. Mr.C, you and your friend, (the self- descibed short, fat wanker who hates himself and considers his wife a cow), don't like Bush-Freudian slip?- Very Compelling. Thats good enough for me. Alright I'm voting for Kerry. No I won't, but maybe yeah I'll do it. If you can't trust a Bartender who can you trust :com:
 

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Maybe they could build a great wall like in china and have all Iraqi's wanting democracy and free enterprise on one side and those who liked it as it was on the other. Commerce from other countries and free trade could flourish on the one side with out fear of terrorism and we could let the left support the other side and make sure all entitlements would shared equally. With no incentive to work I am sure it will be booming environtment--Hmmm does North and South Korea come to mind. However there might be an uphill battle on gun control :)
 

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This one has to kill the great liberaters! Even the very words coming out of the players mouth are twisted and spun.
 

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"Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself."

Maybe he can hop aboard another aircraft carrier and claim mission accomplished. This guy is such an embarrasment I cannot understand how he even gets one vote. Again, to vote for this criminal you have to be either thick as a brick or evil like Cheney.

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