Iraqis aren't fighting fair

[E-Z MONEY$$$]

Thats what the bright commentator on fox news just said.

NO CHIT

I want to clarify that I am divided on the war, but stand behind the United States 100% I think we all should, because all the protesting isnt gonna change anything.

But just something to think about. They have every right to fight and protect themselves however they want. We would do WHATEVER it took to protect ourselves if someone tried to invade us. I'm tired of all the news channels saying that the iraqis aren't playing by the rules. WHAT rules. A foreign country just landed on their sole and is booking ass to destroy their capitol. The media just wants this to end quickly so they can start advertising again. Stop getting frustrated when this isn't as easy as you think it will be. This war will take time and Iraq is going to put up a fight. We should stop being so arrogant to think they wont or wont fight dirty. We would if that was our only option.

With that said, go USA

 

[hellah10]

see, thats why I cant stand Fox News. I`ll wach MSNBC and CNN - but Fox - forget it.

Does the commentator realize...THIS IS A WAR!! What a dumbass. You do what you gotta do to complete the objective. For the Iraqi soldiers, its killing US and allied soldiers. For the US, its blowing shit up to oblivion and taking in thousands of POWs - and of course finding Saddam. Plus, these loyalists do what they gotta do for survival - Iam sure everybody that would be put in that position would do its best to survive.

I wonder if this commentator thinks that the Vietnamese didnt fight the Vietnam war fair Considering they had that underground city -- perhaps djv can enlighten us on that.

 

[StevieD]

If they are cheating then I say we pick up our guns and go home! I would like to see them have a war without us.

Just ragging on Fox not the troops. May God Bless each and everyone of them and send them home safe.

 

[T-MONEY]

In the history of war it has been common, when the enemy is clearly superior to you, you must employ unconventional tactics. It would be so nice if they just went head to head against us?then this war would be over by now. Obviously this is not the case.
I believe the main problem thus far has been our ARROGANCE. Hopefully, for the sake of our troops, our leaders will not underestimate our opponent further.

 

[dawgball]

If the war was on our soil, Fox News would be saying, "Look at how inventive the American people are standing up to the incoming troops!"

Their coverage is a bit odd.

 

[Blazer]

"fighting fair" sounds like an D-lineman complaining he is being held.

Yes-you are being held. Shut up and play.

This is war -no refs- just bloodshed. The name of the game is to create more bloodshed that your advisary does.




Funny post Stevie

 

[djv]

There is nothing fair about WAR. If FOX said anything else they need new reporters.
Yes there are men over there not in uniform shooting at our Troops. Do I like it NO.
As a nation of the rights to bare arms as we are. I will tell you had the Russians or any other country came marching down my street. Well my 30/30 would have went into action. And then the invaders could have said the Americans dont fight fair. They defend there country by hideing in the woods in there houses and then shoot at us.
Hey I dont like it happening to our troops. But nothing is fair in war. Our Leaders of our troops over there have to handle it that way. You shoot first ask the question second if it was right. That is all you can do. Defend your self at all times. This is a war zone not a picnic.

 

[Iminforabuck]

The sad thing is we are fighting within a code of rules and Iraqi's are not. If we were to pull the same tricks....the international community would denounce and shun us even more than they already are....if that's possible.

So this sort of stuff by the Iraqis is okay to much of the world because it helps make a leveler battlefield.

It's just sad that we are EXPECTED to fight by rules......but who gives a sh*t if they do.

Maybe IUPUI should have been spotted 20 against Kentucky.

 

[SixFive]

I like Fox, and I watch it a lot, but I too think that was a stupid comment. The Spanish peasants and Guerillas did not fight Napoleon and the French fair during the Peninsular war, nor did our beloved French fight Hitler and the Germans fairly during the occupation and subsequent retreat, nor did the Finnish fight the Russians fairly in 1939-1940 (a little known but quite interesting conflict termed the Winter War).

Guerilla warfare is the most demoralizing and frustrating kind of combat for the occupying/invading force, but that's how it is, and it is to be expected.

If the USA was invaded (the movie Red Dawn springs to mind), I can guarantee I would be in the hills in my ghillie suit with my .308 picking off enemy officers. I wouldn't have any qualms about that at all, and I'm sure many others would feel the same. I'm sure this is how some of the Iraquis feel as they have been told the USA is there to take their land and oil. No such thing as fighting fair in a war, imo, and again, I think that was a stupid piece.

 

[gardenweasel]

guys...are you kidding?

guys...are you kidding?

hiding in hospitals and day care centers?......using iraqi civilians as shields?....that`s what dressing in civies is....waving a white flag,then ambushing troops?.....are you kidding?....these are all designed to get as many innocent people killed as possible..all violations of the geneva convention..do they care one whit about their own women and children?....these fanatical saddam zealots only care about keeping him in power...and what about what looks to be american prisoners executed with kills shots to the head...

if you guys are honest in your argument,then turnabout is fair play...if we used this rationale,this war WOULD be over within weeks....we could just level these cities,from afar,let the refugees leave the cities in droves,then go in and clean up whatever scum is left to defend....unfortunately,there would be substantial civilian casualties.....

whatever it takes,huh.....if only we would adhere to that doctrine...we could save many coalition boys....but,we are interested in saving as many civilians as possible,which puts our boys in harms way..which i,personally,disagree with.....get the facts straight.

 

[hellah10]

garden - this is a war. Those Iraqis know they dont stand a chance - and they will do whatever it takes. Theres no such thing as cheating when it comes to war. If someone considers this cheating, then we can all argue that dropping a nuke on Japan was cheating.

And your statement about...

this war WOULD be over within weeks....we could just level these cities,from afar,let the refugees leave the cities in droves,then go in and clean up whatever scum is left to defend....unfortunately,there would be substantial civilian casualties...

well, people are against this war in the first place. Imagine if they did do that - its not expected of the US to do that. Then you can throw out the "We are in Iraq to free the people from a Tyrant" Yeaaaaa then we will know what its all about then huh?

 

[djv]

Im sticking with defend your self at all time. This is a war zone not a picnic. I will shoot first ask questions second. I have no choice if I want to stay a live. Yes if this was someone invading America I would fight any way possiable to defend it. I would not look up rules. Would I use human shields no. But gorillia tactics to the 1000th degree. Our leaders over there that did the planing for this war. Im sure have our troops ready for this. They dam well better have. We new goning in that Saddam was not a rule follower.

 

[dr. freeze]

why dont we just nuke em then if anything goes????

 

[StevieD]

I have been reading about thousands of Republican Guards leaving Bagdad and heading towards our troops. Just a question but why don't we just bomb the crap out of them as they travel?

 

[hellah10]

why dont we just nuke em then if anything goes????

nuke what? Empty buildings?

 

[Chanman]

Gardenweasel- Totally Agree. In War there are rules of engagement- something about Geneva comes to mind. If not why even surrender since all's fair- Just decimate the other side:shrug:

 

[gman2]

gardenweasel is absolutely right, and i think some of you are misinterpreting his post.

1) when these iraqis dress up as civilians- yes, that is "sneaky" on their part but that only INCREASES the chance for more iraqi civilian casualties- due to the fact that it may force the us to not be as "cautious" and "careful" when it comes to dealing with civilians in the coming weeks- because they now have to be "skeptical". almost like how cops sometimes innocently shoot someone because they "thought they saw someone reach for a gun". sure these iraqi tricks and tactic work in these isolated scenarios- but all that does is INCREASE the liklihood of iraqi civilian casulaties in the coming weeks.

2) weasel was right on his second point as well- even though he was obviously generalizing. if "anything is fair", then hell, we could hypothetical just go in and end this b1tch immediately. obviously, there would be so many innocent lives lost that thats certainly not an option- but weasel was saying that in response to some saying "its war, whatever happens, happens and anything goes"

im not saying there should be handshakes and saying "ok sir, is it ok if i shoot you now?" but at the same time- all these "tricks" the iraqis are trying now will only increase the liklihood that their fellow country people and innocent civilians will die sometimes accidentally, sometimes because the us cant take chances, etc etc.

 

[nighthorse]

They aren't fighting fair. It's a true statement. Fox got it right. Is it obvious, yeah. But there's a lot of dumb people in the world. There's also a lot of people who aren't necessarily dumb, but don't pay a lot of attention. Sometimes we get lost in the details........part of the big picture is that the Iraqis aren't fighting fair.

I assume we're missing some context. If it was just some ditzy blonde announcing that they're not fighting fair, grabbed a hanky and ran sobbing off the set, that's one thing. I'm guessing that's not what happened.

 

[StevieD]

A ditzie blonde on Fox??? No way! Oh, and in case you didn't notice O'Reilly does spin.

 

[AR182]

I am pretty sure that the guy who made that statement on Fox has a son over there fighting with the marines. he probably got too emotional.
People shouldn't be surprised about the way saddam & his thugs are fighting because he never cared about following any international laws(sanctions) before, so why should he care about violating geneva convention laws.