Israel gets all the money

[Amfan1]

Why, after all these years, are we still giving Israel more money than any other country receives in aid. Also, every administration since the Eisenhower administration has continued this. No problem giving aid on my part. But we do need to sometimes step back and say "what are we getting from this policy."
If it were just the money, it would be one thing. But it's not. We back Israel every time, no matter what happens. Doesn't matter who is in the White House either.
This is not conducive to working with all parties involved because to many in the Mid East this is seen not as helping a democracy. Rather this is seen as choosing one religion over another.

 

[gardenweasel]

who do you suggest we align ourselves with?...

hamas?....it`d be interesting asking them about the training and wepons they`re receiving from our friends in iran....

kind of hard to make headway with a society that refuses to accept a fellow democracy`s existence....

ask anwar sadat about working with all parties...

 

[The Sponge]

I think Hammer has the anwser to this question.

 

[Amfan1]

Why is it necessary to align ourselves with anyone over in that part of the world. We get nothing out of this except a bigger headache. I am not sure that our policies have helped anyone over there. We have also aligned ourselves with Saddam, the Shah, Osama bin Laden and other nefarious characters over the years. None of which has helped us.

 

[bjfinste]

Why is it necessary to align ourselves with anyone over in that part of the world. We get nothing out of this except a bigger headache.

Agree completely. I asked a similar question in terms of why we relentlessly support Israel a while back and the closest thing I got to a real answer was "loyalty". Which is just silly when you consider some of the other groups/people we've been aligned with in the past.

And another typical Weasel post. Someone questions America's constant licking of Israel's ballsack, and he immediately accuses you of wanting to align with terrorists. Much like you, I think we should avoid all of the parties there. It does us no good and is a major root of the hatred that the islamic terrorists have for us.

 

[djv]

We have a history of picking strange friends. And placing guys like O North in charge. We like to P people off. Then when they start to hate us we cry not fair. We say look all the good things we do. Problem with that they forget the good remember the bad. And for good reason the bad always stands out. We need to stay out of these governments business.

 

[Keith 1]

It is in America's best interests to support the one stable democracy in the region. That has absolutely nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with strategic alliances.

Who should we be supporting--the Arab nations that either directly support terrorism, or at least indirectly do so--by way of their constant teaching that the US (and Israel) is the "great satan", and by celebrating the "martyrs" who blow themselves up in support of the cause ? Or, how about the Palestinians ? Those would be the same people that danced in the streets in celebration, immediately after the 9/11 attacks.

 

[bjfinste]

Who should we be supporting--the Arab nations that either directly support terrorism, or at least indirectly do so--by way of their constant teaching that the US (and Israel) is the "great satan", and by celebrating the "martyrs" who blow themselves up in support of the cause ? Or, how about the Palestinians ? Those would be the same people that danced in the streets in celebration, immediately after the 9/11 attacks.

WTF??? You sound just like Weasel. Why does someone having a problem with our heavy support of Israel automatically mean that the same person thinks we should support terrorists? How about we just stay out of it completely and not support either side?

 

[bryanz]

I know this will sound simplistic , BUT:

I know this will sound simplistic , BUT:

Bottom line it for you : There are enough people with power and money in America, that have a powerful lobby voice, that is heard in our elections, in both parties at every level. Most Americans are confused and don't understand this because they don't participate and understand our process. Israel is well represented by Americans that care about them & engage in the process. It's also no accident that every American administration since Eisenhower, on the surface has supported Israel. The way things are set up, because of the few of us that vote, it would be impossible to be elected president if you are not pro Israel.

 

[Keith 1]

WTF??? You sound just like Weasel. Why does someone having a problem with our heavy support of Israel automatically mean that the same person thinks we should support terrorists? How about we just stay out of it completely and not support either side?

read the first part of my post (the part you did not quote).

This is the 21st century. We cannot simply stick our heads in the sand, and say that we will support no one. It is just not realistic in today's world.

 

[The Sponge]

It is in America's best interests to support the one stable democracy in the region. That has absolutely nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with strategic alliances.

yes they are stable alright if you listen to our news networks. People don't become terrorist just because they are loop jobs. They usually turn into terrorist when they get screwed with. Or Occupied. Kinda like what we are doing now and now we see many more terrorist. its strange how the Isreal people like the american people just want peace but we both have rotten governments that dont want peace. the people of Isreal said lets talk to Hamas and see what they want. The govt said no. Kinda sound familiar?

 

[Keith 1]

It is in America's best interests to support the one stable democracy in the region. That has absolutely nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with strategic alliances.

yes they are stable alright if you listen to our news networks. People don't become terrorist just because they are loop jobs. They usually turn into terrorist when they get screwed with. Or Occupied. Kinda like what we are doing now and now we see many more terrorist. its strange how the Isreal people like the american people just want peace but we both have rotten governments that dont want peace. the people of Isreal said lets talk to Hamas and see what they want. The govt said no. Kinda sound familiar?

the people of Israel said let's talk to Hamas because they want an end to all the bombings and terrorism. They want to live their lives in peace. They remain willing to trade land for peace. What other people in this world are willing to give up land to their attackers--in order to hopefully get their attackers to leave them alone ?

Do you really believe that it is unreasonable for the Israeli government to insist on two simple conditions before negotiating with these avowed terrorists: (1) that they disavow terrorism; and (2) that they recognize Israel's right to exist.

Are these such onerous conditions ????

 

[smurphy]

I have no problem with our support of Israel. They are not the problem. When you do the math, what they get pales in comparison to what Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Kuwait get by the time everyone has filled their SUV's with gas. I guess it's only fair that we aid Israel to fight against the same terrorists that we fund through oil consumption. It would be nice to do neither, but here we are.

It would also be nice to see us show similar concern for struggling democracies in Africa and elsewhere. But what we do for Israel is no more hypocritical that what we do throughout the Middle East. The decisions we've made in that entire region (not just Israel) could end up being our demise.

 

[Amfan1]

the people of Israel said let's talk to Hamas because they want an end to all the bombings and terrorism. They want to live their lives in peace. They remain willing to trade land for peace. What other people in this world are willing to give up land to their attackers--in order to hopefully get their attackers to leave them alone ?

Do you really believe that it is unreasonable for the Israeli government to insist on two simple conditions before negotiating with these avowed terrorists: (1) that they disavow terrorism; and (2) that they recognize Israel's right to exist.

Are these such onerous conditions ????

No, these conditions are fine. However, remember, the land they are giving up was handed to them by the United Nations. DESPITE the fact that no other country in the region was ok with this plan at the time. WE did it anyway. We cannot begin to solve this problem as long as our hands are tied by oil and our unrelenting devotion to Israel.

 

[The Sponge]

No, these conditions are fine. However, remember, the land they are giving up was handed to them by the United Nations. DESPITE the fact that no other country in the region was ok with this plan at the time. WE did it anyway. We cannot begin to solve this problem as long as our hands are tied by oil and our unrelenting devotion to Israel.

LOL i dont remember saying anything thing like that quote which has my name on it.:shrug:

 

[IntenseOperator]

I got no problem supporting countries that have our interests at heart etc etc etc....

But didn't we catch the Israelis spying on us in the recent past??

I would have yanked it all immediately friend or no friend.


(I could be wrong)

If we did this, maybe we wouldn't have so damn many bald fat half pint Jewish guys in the sports media. Is it some kind of birth right? (lol)

 

[smurphy]

Watch it, IO! I went to Jr High & High with Marc Stein of espn.com NBA fame. ....Well, at least he isn't bald....yet.

 

[Keith 1]

LOL i dont remember saying anything thing like that quote which has my name on it.:shrug:

I think he was referring to my earlier post.

 

[Keith 1]

No, these conditions are fine. However, remember, the land they are giving up was handed to them by the United Nations. DESPITE the fact that no other country in the region was ok with this plan at the time. WE did it anyway. We cannot begin to solve this problem as long as our hands are tied by oil and our unrelenting devotion to Israel.

sorry, but that is not correct. In 1948, Israel was given land the size of a postage stamp. As soon as they were created, the Arabs attacked. The land we are talking about is land that Israel won in the 1967 and 1973 wars. Which wars just happend tto have been started by the Arabs. Name one other country in the world that was forced to give back land that it won from an enemy in a war that the enemy started ?

 

[djv]

Keith are you sure?
Land you say they won in two wars. Problem is who helped them win this land. It looks like us that is why we get the bad rap.
So lets see we won the land in WW II of Japan, Germany, I guess we gave it back. Even Russia it took 40 years gave up there winnings.
Hamas is evil. Sell that to those who get there food and health care from hamas. There winning the minds of folks in the area. Israel does not get that part. They like the Bush approach lets have a expand war. It's like you say we need to support some one. Who are we supporting in wonderful Iraq. You really think we have a clue what were doing any more.