I've lost all respect for GSP

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BJ also said someone GSP was on steroids, he's always saying something. NSAC did come in, whipe it off and said it was fine. If his corner would have been putting on a lot of it then it wouldn't have come off that easily. There's no way they would have let him keep fighting if they would have thought it was still slick after the wipe down.

Bucs, this isn't Sherdog man. You call people idiots and stupid and other stuff too much on here. Maybe you should stick to that website if you can't handle any of the talk. I can look in a lot of the past MMA threads and it's always you getting into it with someone. I like your opinion on these fights but enough with negative chit. We have a great MMA forum and have for a long time now.
 

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Maybe Bucs needs a little Kickserv ban for a few hours to remind him which forum this is.
We do have a much better time in this forum talking MMA than Sherdog as it is the same 10-12 people posting on here as opposed to Sherdog.
I feel like I know everyone in here even though I only know one person on MJ.
Keep it respectful and lets not turn this forum into Sherdog babies with name calling.
This was a valid thread with valid questions, so no need to attack any posters.
 

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BJ also said someone GSP was on steroids, he's always saying something. NSAC did come in, whipe it off and said it was fine. If his corner would have been putting on a lot of it then it wouldn't have come off that easily. There's no way they would have let him keep fighting if they would have thought it was still slick after the wipe down.

Bucs, this isn't Sherdog man. You call people idiots and stupid and other stuff too much on here. Maybe you should stick to that website if you can't handle any of the talk. I can look in a lot of the past MMA threads and it's always you getting into it with someone. I like your opinion on these fights but enough with negative chit. We have a great MMA forum and have for a long time now.

You guys are failing in seeing the point. The point isn't about who won the fight or who had an advantage. The point is, whether the NSAC whiped it off or not, he was, and has been cheating.

I'm sorry you don't like how I've expressed myself, but deal with it. Kickserv and his other CANUCK buddies replied exactly how I thought they would. I waited for their response before saying anything.

Mr. Hawkeye guy took a stab at "ufc noobs" or "geeks" or whatever he called us. When, in fact he had no clue what he was talking about. Of course I'm going to stick up for myself.

Any argument I've ever had on the MMA forum I was in the right..

You do realize he was greased the whole 1st round without being whiped down right?
 

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Bucs, you missed my point man. I think you should stick up for your side of the arguement, it's what makes this place fun but you have been name calling a lot lately. Was there a need to call them idiots? You called me a name(and not you weren't on our arguement, Fedor never tried to take down AA lol). Again, I enjoy your opinions but just don't see the need to call guys that have been here for a long time names for their opinions.

And no I don't think he greased down the whole first round, reason why..... the whole reason they came in to check him is because they saw his corner man rub his back in between rounds. Also, they check the fighters before they enter the ring to see if they are greased down.
 

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No, there was someone who pointed out to Kizer that they thought he was greasing because they saw him do it before the fight started. The comission yelled over at Greg Jackson but apparently with the crowd he didn't hear him.

Then they watched to see if he did it between the 1st and 2nd round and he did, so they went in. Just check the video's, it's not hard to see. The truth lies within.

Also, Fedor was clinching up with Arlovski to attempt a takedown. If you think otherwise, then like I said, go watch boxing because you don't know what you're talking about.
 

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So you're saying the commission saw him do it before the fight, yelled at Jackson but because he couldn't hear them they just said screw it we'll let him go? But, during the fight they see it and go into the ring to wipe him down. hmmm ok

How about I line up some Fedor fight videos for you where he fights in the clinch and never attempts to take the guy down. He may have wanted to take AA down(not saying he didn't) but I am saying he didn't try to. The fight video doesn't lie, if you think he did tell me the exact minute and second he did. If you think he did, maybe you should stick to Sherdog.
 

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here is Greg Jackson's take on the incident.......

?So in between rounds, (Team St. Pierre?s Steven Friend) had this little drill that you do ? and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it ? he rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don?t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that?s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that. The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges? eyebrows ? So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest ? If we were trying to grease the back we?d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn?t do a little tiny spot in the back ? The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous ? They check your body before you get into the cage, there?s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don?t cheat. We don?t need to cheat to win.?

-Head trainer Greg Jackson defends the coaching strategies implemented during the welterweight title fight between star pupil Georges St. Pierre and bitter rival BJ Penn at UFC 94 last Saturday night at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada. Team St. Pierre?s Steven Friend, whom Jackson describes as a "Witch Doctor," implemented the procedure to help "Rush" get his energy in order. Probably a lot cheaper than a Red Bull, but an unusual tactic nonetheless. Then again this comes from a camp who must give themselves titty-twisters prior to each fight. Hard to argue with anything at Jackson?s camp considering what GSP and fellow UFC title holder Rashad Evans have been able to do under his tutelage.
 

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Now Dana White chimes in... the cornerman will be dealt with.

?I think that using grease or Vaseline is completely illegal, but in this case I don?t think it made a difference in that fight. I know Georges St. Pierre. He?s not a cheater. He wanted this fight so bad to prove that he was the best fighter in the world. He completely dominated that fight. It had nothing to do with grease?. The athletic commission is looking into it. You can not rub grease on any part of the body besides the face. [The commission] took all our camera work from all the different angles and is looking into it. This is the case of a stupid cornerman. The cornerman did it and he is going to be held accountable for it?. Anything can happen to his cornerman ? everything from a fine to never being able to work in the corner again.?

UFC President Dana White was on a popular radio station in Boston, Mass., this morning to address ?Grease Gate? at UFC 94: ?St. Pierre vs. Penn 2″ this weekend. He is confident that welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre had no intentions of ?cheating? against BJ Penn and that he is merely the victim of a stupid cornerman, Phil Nurse. He indicates that the outcome of the fight, which was a four-round drubbing that ended via technical knockout, should not and will not be changed. However, the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) is taking the situation very serious and could come down hard on Nurse. White also mentions that he wants to match up Penn against Boston-area native Kenny Florian as soon as possible. And he?d love to do it in Massachusetts if the laws permit.
 

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I dont feel upset because Buck calls me idiot, heck i'm not surprise at his style at all but true maybe he should take a break for a while as here we dont like that KIND of person...:sadwave:

For those who still thinks GSP is a cheater, here's the quote from his interview at SI:

SI.com: Was this the best fight of your career?

St. Pierre: Yes, for sure. Without a doubt. It was my best training camp and my best fight.

SI.com: What do you make of the Vaseline controversy? I just received word from B.J.'s camp, it seems like they're going to move forward with the complaint. What is your reaction to all this?

St. Pierre: I just can't believe it. I don't know. I'm just surprised. I'm not a cheater. What happened is my trainer, my Muay Thai coach, he put Vaseline on my face and then put his hand on my chest and back. But that's a technique we use for breathing. It's good. It's used in Muay Thai. I use it in many of my fights. If you look at my previous fights, it's not the first time he does that. Then B.J. said he put Vaseline and rubbed my back. Anyway, I think it's an excuse. I have nothing to hide. I'm not even afraid to go into court and fight that.

SI.com: Do you feel upset at all that maybe it's taking away from your victory?

St. Pierre: Not at all. I haven't seen the fight yet, but I remember at some point something happened and the athletic commission was complaining. They used a towel to wet my back and wipe it off. I don't mind. I didn't put Vaseline on myself and I'm not a cheater.

SI.com: The Penn camp says their approach to the fight was to go to the ground with you and work the guard, the rubber guard. And they said they first felt concerns in the second round. They saw B.J. trying to work the high guard and his legs were slipping down. Were you doing anything to make his legs come down?

St. Pierre: Of course. I was training that. I was training when his legs come up to posture up. And when he got the position to keep my head always over his head. By staying in a vertical position his leg was naturally going to go down. If I stayed flat, he would have been able to bring his leg up. But I stayed in a vertical position.

SI.com: Do you have any interest in fighting B.J. again?

St. Pierre: I don't mind. If it's what he wants and the UFC wants, I don't mind. For that fight I'm going to train just as hard and even harder, and get even more prepared and better than I was.

SI.com: Is there any concern of overtraining?

St. Pierre: No, I train really hard but I train smart, most importantly.

SI.com: What's the fine line? Will you take time off if you feel your body is responding negatively. Are you always listening to what your body is telling you?

St. Pierre: Yes, I do. And I also train in a way that every time I gain experience and become better at what I do. And I train with better training partners all the time and keep improving all the time.

SI.com: I thought the way you approached the fight, specifically working on B.J. and making blood rush to his shoulders, was really smart.

St. Pierre: B.J. Penn, you were talking about his guard, he has very flexible legs. Another thing is, because he has very flexible hips, it made his thoracic cage more susceptible to being weak. That's why I was working a lot of elbows to the body. On the ground I was putting my elbow in his stomach to make him tired. And a lot of knees. It was my game plan.

SI.com: The scientific approach that you've taken, is that something you developed based on how you've seen fights over the years, or does that come from how your trainers approach fights?

St. Pierre: It's coming from all of us. Not only from one person, it's coming from me, from Faris Zahabi, from Greg Jackson, from John Danaher and Phil Nurse in New York. We use a very scientific approach all the time. We fight to make the best game plan possible.

SI.com: You found weaknesses in B.J.'s strengths. A lot of people felt his flexibility was a strength, but you found weakness there. Who was the one that first said we can take advantage of that?

St. Pierre: I know a lot of doctors. It's a fact. When somebody has flexible hips, normally he has a weak thoracic cage. His bones are weaker. It's science. And with B.J., that's the case. He has very flexible hips, so his core is weaker than somebody who has normal hips. That's why I was attacking the body a lot. People, when they fight B.J., they try to hit the head. But B.J. has very thick skin and he moves his head very well and his reaction time is very fast. He can move his head standing up, but his body never moves. I was targeting the body a lot.

SI.com: You've fought B.J. twice. You've been a part of two promotions with him. You've heard him talk about you and your camp. And now post-fight, with the Vaseline issue, what's your opinion of B.J. Penn?

St. Pierre: To tell you the truth, I think it's normal to have a winning attitude in life. When I lose, I always try to figure out why I lose. But the problem with B.J., he tries to figure out why he loses, but he doesn't focus on himself. He focuses on the other person. When I lost the fight I focused on what I did wrong. I didn't focus on what I cannot change. B.J., instead of focusing on things he can change to make himself better, he tries to focus on things he doesn't have any control over, and tries to find some excuse that it's not up to him. It's really an excuse. He should focus on things that he can change about himself in the fight to make himself better. That would be a better approach for him.

SI.com: Of the fighters you've faced in your career, where would you rank B.J. as a challenge to you?

St. Pierre: He's the best guy that I've fought.

SI.com: He's better than Jon Fitch and everybody else?

St. Pierre: Skill-wise, he's the best.

SI.com: But in terms of bringing a fight to you and testing you, was he the toughest?

St. Pierre: Probably. But the thing is every fight is so different. You can have a good day, a bad day. It's hard to say. But I think he's probably the best guy.

SI.com: How are you keeping your level-headedness at this point? People now say you're probably the best fighter in the world. Or at least you're mentioned alongside Fedor Emelianenko, and that's a pretty big compliment -- I know you've said Fedor is the best. How do you weather all that and not let it get to you?

St. Pierre: It happened to me once. I lost. I was acclaimed as one of the best in the world [then] I lost to Matt Serra. When I lost, everything went down. So I don't want that to happen again. It's experience. You talk about being the best pound-for-pound, this thing can change in a second.

SI.com: Your next challenge looks like Thiago Alves. Very dangerous striker. Big welterweight, probably as big if not bigger than you. What do you think of Alves as a challenger?

St. Pierre: It will be a very tough fight, probably the toughest fight of my career. I look forward to it. But now I need vacation.

SI.com: Where are you going on vacation?

St. Pierre: I'm going to France to see some of my old friends who came to train with me for my training camp. I'm going to see them and maybe to have some vacation in the south of France also.

SI.com: Nice is nice.

St. Pierre: Maybe Nice, but I have to go to Paris first.

SI.com: How long will you take off before getting back in the gym?

St. Pierre: I go back to Montreal tomorrow, so maybe I'll train Thursday. I'm always training. I do that not because I have to. I do that because it's a lifestyle for me and I love it.



I really like his answers about how BJ doesnt look about himself and try to find excuses on why he lost instead of looking at himself in the mirror... :)
 
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