Let's do this, Phil
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What a circus. For the respect of Michelson, should of waited. I haven't run a golf tournie but shit show on 18.
And in closing after four days of watching every shot possible via Directv... buy and omega watch and you could be standing in the hall of fame.... Woodson out.
Rory McIlroy is on pace to meet Jack Nicklaus's 18-major record
when asked McIlroy wisely sez to just let him play golf and get some wins and have fun, not to declare some number and possibly set him up for a "failure" as Tiger might have done with his very public pursuit of a number...
ya notice that of the 16 players, only Tiger and Rory were on pace. And Rory just showed he can come from behind and gut out a win, something Tiger has never done for a major - all his Major wins, Tiger was in the lead Sunday...
when asked McIlroy wisely sez to just let him play golf and get some wins and have fun, not to declare some number and possibly set him up for a "failure" as Tiger might have done with his very public pursuit of a number...
ya notice that of the 16 players, only Tiger and Rory were on pace. And Rory just showed he can come from behind and gut out a win, something Tiger has never done for a major - all his Major wins, Tiger was in the lead Sunday...
Hagen is left off because, as you see, it is "since 1936". I would guess the cutoff has something to do with the Masters starting in 1934, but dunno, I am not a big golf guy!
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It may not look like much, but that four-major start by McIlroy is firmly in Woods and Nicklaus territory ? they are the only players to have won four majors through age 25. Winning those four majors in a 15-tournament span is also a rare accomplishment. There have been a number of similarly meteoric rises in golf, but they usually come at a more mature age (see, for example: Nick Faldo, Arnold Palmer, Ben Hogan). And some early starts aren?t so meteoric (Seve Ballesteros).
McIlroy has had both:
Of course, after Woods won his fourth major, he went on to win the next two as well, and four of the next seven, so it?s silly to call McIlroy the next Tiger. But McIlroy doesn?t have to be as good now as Woods was then to have a chance at passing Nicklaus ? Woods was way ahead of Nicklaus?s pace before injuries and possibly other things got the better of him.
And now, even after clawing his way back to the top of the rankings, Woods isn?t who he used to be. At this point, it would take something unprecedented for him to match or pass Nicklaus. He needs four majors for a share of the lead, but by the time the Master?s comes around again in 2015, it will have been nearly seven years since Woods last won a major (no player has ever won four majors after going even five years between wins). And Woods will be 39 years old (no player has ever won four majors after the age of 39, not even the notoriously ever-spry Nicklaus).
The good news for Woods is that he has some experience doing things that are fairly unprecedented in golf.[i.e. hitting Grand Slams].
But what about McIlroy?s expectation at this point? Trying to model the long-run performance and behavior of outliers can be particularly difficult, because the other data isn?t really a good guide. Nonetheless, assuming McIlroy faces the same regression to the mean as the average golfer does after a hot start (about a 50 percent to 75 percent reduction in win rate for the rest of his career), my best estimate is that he should win around 12 majors ? plus or minus six or eight.
For Tiger to beat Jack, he?ll have to break an unexpected trend, and for Rory to beat Jack, he?ll have to maintain a trend unexpectedly.
more from the article:
It may not look like much, but that four-major start by McIlroy is firmly in Woods and Nicklaus territory ? they are the only players to have won four majors through age 25. Winning those four majors in a 15-tournament span is also a rare accomplishment. There have been a number of similarly meteoric rises in golf, but they usually come at a more mature age (see, for example: Nick Faldo, Arnold Palmer, Ben Hogan). And some early starts aren?t so meteoric (Seve Ballesteros).
McIlroy has had both:
Of course, after Woods won his fourth major, he went on to win the next two as well, and four of the next seven, so it?s silly to call McIlroy the next Tiger. But McIlroy doesn?t have to be as good now as Woods was then to have a chance at passing Nicklaus ? Woods was way ahead of Nicklaus?s pace before injuries and possibly other things got the better of him.
And now, even after clawing his way back to the top of the rankings, Woods isn?t who he used to be. At this point, it would take something unprecedented for him to match or pass Nicklaus. He needs four majors for a share of the lead, but by the time the Master?s comes around again in 2015, it will have been nearly seven years since Woods last won a major (no player has ever won four majors after going even five years between wins). And Woods will be 39 years old (no player has ever won four majors after the age of 39, not even the notoriously ever-spry Nicklaus).
The good news for Woods is that he has some experience doing things that are fairly unprecedented in golf.[i.e. hitting Grand Slams].
But what about McIlroy?s expectation at this point? Trying to model the long-run performance and behavior of outliers can be particularly difficult, because the other data isn?t really a good guide. Nonetheless, assuming McIlroy faces the same regression to the mean as the average golfer does after a hot start (about a 50 percent to 75 percent reduction in win rate for the rest of his career), my best estimate is that he should win around 12 majors ? plus or minus six or eight.
For Tiger to beat Jack, he?ll have to break an unexpected trend, and for Rory to beat Jack, he?ll have to maintain a trend unexpectedly.
Not entirely accurate . . .
Rory started Sunday with the lead, and lost the lead before getting it back.
In the 2008 U.S. Open at Torrey Pines, Tiger started Sunday with the lead, but lost the lead, hence his birdie on the 72nd hole to tie Rocco Mediate.
In the 2005 Masters, Tiger started Sunday in the lead, but lost the lead, hence his chip in on 16 allowed him to catch Chris DiMarco, "In your LIFE, have you seen anything like that . . . "
Tiger may have also lost the Sunday lead to Bob May in the 2000 P.G.A., and there may be other examples.
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In any event, an instant modern classic, with legends and top ranked players in an epic battle, with surreal elements spicing up the proceeding.
GL
yep, that's what the golf guys say - Tiger had the lead every Sunday morning those 14 Major wins. It was "his to lose" and he just had to "defend his lead", etc....but yes, you are right, Rory did have the lead Sunday morning. And I do recall Tiger in some playoffs. I don't think he had to come back quite like Rory did..I guess my point was Rory seemed to have something there in him Tiger never has had (tho I don't see the killer driven Tiger attitude in Rory that seems so essential to reach 14...)
I remember Nicklaus interviewed about Tiger, at Tiger's peak, and Jack said let's see how he plays when he is older, going into his decline, has some physical issues, has to gut out a tough win without a lead going into the final day - well, we know the answer now. He sucks! Something is happening in his head, quite wrong, in those 1.5 seconds of his swing, that Jack knew all too well might happen.
I remember Nicklaus interviewed about Tiger, at Tiger's peak, and Jack said let's see how he plays when he is older, going into his decline, has some physical issues, has to gut out a tough win without a lead going into the final day - well, we know the answer now. He sucks! Something is happening in his head, quite wrong, in those 1.5 seconds of his swing, that Jack knew all too well might happen.
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