Thanks for articles Matt--I did not remember her being portrayed as reported firing until clip ran out.
-did not see that or do not remember seeing it--would have looked at it lightly unless it was reported by eye witness --I never put much empahais in unnamed sources as you know.
on jamming--Shell is not chambered when clip is inserted.You have to pull back slide. As I said guns jam because of dirt/sand and heat which occurrs from exploding shells which cause shells to be eject.You tell me how a chambered round can jam without firing. something would have to impead firing pin from striking round--could jam easily if dirty after chambered round was fired.
IMO which is only a guess at best---was she froze in her 1st life threarening combat--which is not unusual nor to be looked down on--and I believe per her continueing extra ordinary praise that her comrades were real heros--that shes carries a guilt about freezing especially when she received so much hoopla and those that died fighting received none. again just a guess but would be logical.
on Tillman and the lies--its not the medal that I I condemed but writing bogus details which were out right lies concerning it.
Other than that--trying to make someone that is high profile or ordinary Joe look heroic to soilders family I see as no sin. If trying to make any family cope via pride in their son I find somewhat honorable--however in this particular incident there is strong possibilty that motives were other than family--which makes it horse of diff color.
However I find half truths told by Tillmans brother just as offensive.
Did you read the timeline??---
5:30-6 p.m.: Company commander directs Lt. Uthlaut to split platoon ? he does so, into Serial 1 and Serial 2 ? Serial 1 leaves down canyon road toward village of Manah; Serial 2 leaves 15-20 minutes later, towing broken vehicle. Because the terrain is too rugged, Serial 2 changes route and follows same path as Serial 1.
6:31 p.m.: Sun sets over the small village of Manah in southeastern Afghanistan close to Pakistan border, according to Army officials.
6:34 p.m.: Squad leader in Serial 1 instructs team leaders to maneuver Rangers onto a ridgeline that faces ambush site.
6:43 p.m.: Pat Tillman maneuvers his team of Bryan O'Neal and a friendly Afghan soldier low on the ridgeline. Sgt. Greg Baker, in the lead vehicle of Serial 2, spots the Afghan, mistaking him for the enemy, and fires a series of fatal rounds into his stomach. Three other Ranger gunners follow sergeant's lead and open fire in same direction, killing Pat Tillman
How come everyone in testimony -- made it look like the patrol that killed could see him waving arms -popping smoke ect --not one mentioned- it was fcking dark??/ Show me one article anywhere that presents this fact--
I can imagine every swinging dick that watched tetimony was thinking same as me--but how many do you think found out the truth?
Don't know which pisses me off more the cover up by military or agenda ofthe - Pat Tillman wanna be- brother.
Might seem cruel to say but if you read Pat tillmans articles on why he enlisted and then read brothers (after meeting with thruth out org) speak of their reminiscing prior--you get 2 diff views.
Had it been my brother I certainly wouldn't belittle his sacrifice for an agenda--would you.
I think if you look back brother was silent for most part on matter until meeting Truth out org--and did you not find his rants on issues that had nothing to do with his brother in testimony odd?
Back to cover-up I think making up story was very wrong--but request not to tell brother what occurred when he was still with unit--quite acceptable if not prudent.
-did not see that or do not remember seeing it--would have looked at it lightly unless it was reported by eye witness --I never put much empahais in unnamed sources as you know.
on jamming--Shell is not chambered when clip is inserted.You have to pull back slide. As I said guns jam because of dirt/sand and heat which occurrs from exploding shells which cause shells to be eject.You tell me how a chambered round can jam without firing. something would have to impead firing pin from striking round--could jam easily if dirty after chambered round was fired.
IMO which is only a guess at best---was she froze in her 1st life threarening combat--which is not unusual nor to be looked down on--and I believe per her continueing extra ordinary praise that her comrades were real heros--that shes carries a guilt about freezing especially when she received so much hoopla and those that died fighting received none. again just a guess but would be logical.
on Tillman and the lies--its not the medal that I I condemed but writing bogus details which were out right lies concerning it.
Other than that--trying to make someone that is high profile or ordinary Joe look heroic to soilders family I see as no sin. If trying to make any family cope via pride in their son I find somewhat honorable--however in this particular incident there is strong possibilty that motives were other than family--which makes it horse of diff color.
However I find half truths told by Tillmans brother just as offensive.
Did you read the timeline??---
5:30-6 p.m.: Company commander directs Lt. Uthlaut to split platoon ? he does so, into Serial 1 and Serial 2 ? Serial 1 leaves down canyon road toward village of Manah; Serial 2 leaves 15-20 minutes later, towing broken vehicle. Because the terrain is too rugged, Serial 2 changes route and follows same path as Serial 1.
6:31 p.m.: Sun sets over the small village of Manah in southeastern Afghanistan close to Pakistan border, according to Army officials.
6:34 p.m.: Squad leader in Serial 1 instructs team leaders to maneuver Rangers onto a ridgeline that faces ambush site.
6:43 p.m.: Pat Tillman maneuvers his team of Bryan O'Neal and a friendly Afghan soldier low on the ridgeline. Sgt. Greg Baker, in the lead vehicle of Serial 2, spots the Afghan, mistaking him for the enemy, and fires a series of fatal rounds into his stomach. Three other Ranger gunners follow sergeant's lead and open fire in same direction, killing Pat Tillman
How come everyone in testimony -- made it look like the patrol that killed could see him waving arms -popping smoke ect --not one mentioned- it was fcking dark??/ Show me one article anywhere that presents this fact--
I can imagine every swinging dick that watched tetimony was thinking same as me--but how many do you think found out the truth?
Don't know which pisses me off more the cover up by military or agenda ofthe - Pat Tillman wanna be- brother.
Might seem cruel to say but if you read Pat tillmans articles on why he enlisted and then read brothers (after meeting with thruth out org) speak of their reminiscing prior--you get 2 diff views.
Had it been my brother I certainly wouldn't belittle his sacrifice for an agenda--would you.
I think if you look back brother was silent for most part on matter until meeting Truth out org--and did you not find his rants on issues that had nothing to do with his brother in testimony odd?
Back to cover-up I think making up story was very wrong--but request not to tell brother what occurred when he was still with unit--quite acceptable if not prudent.
