Miami(OH) @ LSU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hellah10]

LMFAO even CFN.com thinks Mauck blows a fat one hahahah

LMFAO even CFN.com thinks Mauck blows a fat one hahahah

Miami University vs. LSU - 8 pm

Why to watch: Miami is good enough to give the Tigers a game and could pull off the upset if LSU isn't taking the RedHawks seriously. LSU needs to show signs of improvement before the SEC season while Miami would love another win over a big conference opponent.

One reason why Miami might win: QB Ben Roethlisberger is good enough to burn the still suspect LSU corners. The Tigers haven't faced anyone who can actually throw the ball (this included practices) since the Sugar Bowl and receivers Jason Branch and Michael Larkin could have big games.

One reason why LSU might win: Miami couldn't handle the Iowa running game last week and while Fred Russell and the Hawkeye backs are fine, they're not LaBrandon Toefield and Domanick Davis.

Matchup to watch: Miami LBs vs. LSU RBs. It's time to state the obvious: LSU QB Matt Mauck simply can't throw. He has receivers to work with including star Michael Clayton, but Mauck's accuracy and deep ball are virtually non-existent. If MU LB Matt Robillard and Terrell Jones can slow down the LSU backs and force LSU to win through the air, this will be a very interesting game.

What will happen: LSU has to make mistakes for Miami to have a great shot at winning, but Roethlisberger is (with the possible exception of Rex Grossman and Eli Manning) as good a passing quarterback as any LSU will see this year and if he gets hot, this could be close.

Must Watch Rating (5 must see - 1 get in line for tickets to the American Idol tour): 3.5
Line: Oasis Line: LSU -13 | NASA line: LSU -13

CFN Prediction: LSU 27 ... Miami 20

 

[hellah10]

The Line Movement Thus Far

Vegas Insider - Line Movements
9/14 - Miami Ohio at Louisiana St (College Football)
LVSC
9/08 19:58 ET - Louisiana St -16.0
9/09 12:40 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/09 14:21 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:44 ET - Louisiana St -12.0
9/11 13:48 ET - Louisiana St -12.0 (52.0o/u)

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Stardust
9/08 20:48 ET - Louisiana St -14.5
9/08 21:05 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/09 13:08 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/09 13:08 ET - Louisiana St -13.0
9/11 13:31 ET - Louisiana St -13.0 (50o/u)

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Caesars
9/09 15:46 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/10 12:21 ET - Louisiana St -12.0

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WWTS
9/09 10:36 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/09 22:31 ET - Louisiana St -13
9/10 11:09 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 11:24 ET - Louisiana St -14
9/10 12:10 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:10 ET - Louisiana St -13
9/10 12:15 ET - Louisiana St -12

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Stations
9/09 16:05 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/09 17:29 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:26 ET - Louisiana St -13.0
9/10 13:04 ET - Louisiana St -12.5

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MGM-Mirage
9/09 13:31 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/09 13:31 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/09 13:33 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:21 ET - Louisiana St -12.5

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Sportsbook.com
9/11 15:52 ET - Louisiana St -12.5

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SportBet

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Bowmans
9/08 21:47 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:22 ET - Louisiana St -12.0
9/11 18:28 ET - Louisiana St -12.5

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9/09 01:03 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/09 09:26 ET - Louisiana St -13.5 -110
9/09 13:11 ET - Louisiana St -13 -110
9/10 11:06 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 11:16 ET - Louisiana St -14
9/10 12:11 ET - Louisiana St -13
9/10 12:13 ET - Louisiana St -12
9/10 12:16 ET - Louisiana St -11
9/10 12:17 ET - Louisiana St -11 -110
9/10 13:08 ET - Louisiana St -11.5
9/10 14:15 ET - Louisiana St -12
9/10 17:04 ET - Louisiana St -11.5
9/10 17:05 ET - Louisiana St -12
9/11 18:24 ET - Louisiana St -12.5

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9/09 22:24 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/10 12:11 ET - Louisiana St -13
9/10 12:21 ET - Louisiana St -11.5
9/11 18:39 ET - Louisiana St -12

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Harrahs
9/09 13:59 ET - Louisiana St -13.5
9/09 14:22 ET - Louisiana St -13.0
9/10 11:36 ET - Louisiana St -14.0
9/10 12:21 ET - Louisiana St -12.0

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BoDog
9/09 18:02 ET - Louisiana St -13
9/10 14:49 ET - Louisiana St -14
9/10 14:49 ET - Louisiana St -11.5
9/10 15:06 ET - Louisiana St -12

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[prft]

LS WHO

LS WHO

I know that you are the mac King,,,, I can not believe that this will not be a close, hard fought game. I am taking the 12 + points that s.book is giving on this one. The mighty Citadal was in the game with them... I see no reason as to why M of ohio can not keep it closer than a touch down...... :shrug:

 

[lawtchan]

hellah

Being an avid L.S.U. fan, I agree with you on most points. Great write-up, by the way. Toefield/Davis will be the key to this game, I feel.
With L.S.U.'s weak secondary, L.S.U. will have to jump on a lead and run, run, run. Although weather was a factor last Sat., it rained all day, Mauck still didn't impress with passing.
So, looking at the caliber team Miami OH is, I would say the line is moving in the right direction.
If L.S.U. jumps out to a 21 point lead they will probably cover, b/c Miami will NOT run against the L.S.U. front line, and L.S.U. can drop back in coverage.
On the other hand, if it is close, then the passing edge will go to Miami.
I will NEVER bet AGAINST L.S.U., but the points look tempting for others. I will just sit back in Death Valley on Saturday night and enjoy a great football game.
OH YEAH, L.S.U., has an OPEN date the following week.

 

[hellah10]

profit - I agree with you. Nick Saban was even forced to keep his starters in during the 3rd quarter because the game was tight. From what I can see...Nick Sabans boys arent very conditioned...more on that later

lawtchan - I agree with ya on the 21 point lead. However, if LSU is only playing the pass and only putting 3 people in the box...Big Ben will kill the LSU secondary. You give him time, and he will burn you fast! I would suggest playing the regular Nickel Package is I was LSU D Cord. and not playing this 7 DBs crap...he will burn them if he gets the time. Ive been reading at other boards such as tigerdroppings.com that the fans are pissed...more or less the alumni, and they want Mauck out and put in someone else to start at QB. Althought LSU did drop many many passes against Va Tech. Miami is starting to be one of those public MAC teams too, so they are in the Toledo and Marshall group...which sucks

Good Luck :drinky:

 

[hellah10]

History is known to repeat itself

History is known to repeat itself

Rabalais: An upset no one will ever forget

By SCOTT RABALAIS
srabalais@theadvocate.com
Advocate sportswriter

A dark-colored pen and pencil set rests at the top of Verge Ausberry's desk. Affixed to the middle of the set is a small plaque that contains the names of LSU's opponents and the scores of each game from the 1986 season.

Ausberry runs his index finger down the plaque but it doesn't go far. It stops at the second game on the list, the one that reads Miami of Ohio 21, LSU 12.

This Sept. 20 it will be 16 years since that night, a game that will live in infamy as far as LSU football is concerned.

The score still rankles Ausberry, now one of LSU's associate athletic directors.

"We should have won the national championship," Ausberry says softly.

Had LSU won that night, the Tigers certainly could have at least played for it.

LSU was coming off a remarkable 35-17 upset of No. 7-ranked Texas A&M the week before, and the win shot the Tigers up to No. 8 in the national polls.

LSU would go on to defeat the likes of Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Notre Dame and No. 6 Alabama that year en route to the Southeastern Conference championship, LSU's first at that point since 1970.

There were two other blemishes on that 9-3 record -- a 21-19 loss at home to Ole Miss and a 30-15 manhandling by Nebraska in the Sugar Bowl. But Ausberry, a linebacker for the Tigers that year, believes if LSU had been 6-0 when they played the Rebels they could have had the momentum to win the game.

As for the national championship -- Penn State beat Miami (of Florida) 14-10 for the title in the Fiesta Bowl -- well, at least LSU wouldn't have been playing Nebraska, which didn't even win the Big Eight that year.

Instead, LSU fell into the classic trap. The Tigers faced Miami between Texas A&M and a game two weeks later at Florida and didn't take the Redskins (now the RedHawks) seriously.

"They caught us flat," Ausberry said. "They got up on us early and we said, 'Don't worry, we'll beat 'em.'"

Instead, the Tigers spent that soggy, sorry evening beating themselves.

LSU outgained Miami 150-20 in net rushing, 257-189 in passing, held a 26-9 edge in first downs and ran 83 offensive plays to the Redskins' 53. But along the way the Tigers had five fumbles, two interceptions and a blocked punt.

Miami capitalized on those mistakes and its own big plays. Quarterback Terry Morris hit wingback Andy Schillinger for two long touchdown passes covering 39 and 82 yards.

Still, the Tigers didn't believe it, not until the closing minutes when they saw they would need two scores to win and knew they didn't have time to get it.

"They wanted it more than we did," LSU defensive end Tommy Clapp said that night. "I can't even see myself saying that."

While Miami players slid across the slick Tiger Stadium turf like they were trying to soak up every ounce of the moment, the Tigers slunk back to the locker room shocked almost beyond words beneath the glare of those unbelievable numbers -- a 21 for Miami, a 12 for LSU.

"We looked up at the end of the game and said, 'How the hell did we lose to that team?'" Ausberry recalled.

It wasn't that Miami wasn't a quality opponent. The Redskins would go on to an 8-4 season, win the Mid-American Conference title and finish their season in the California Bowl.

That was little solace for the Tigers, then or now. Sixteen years later, a grown up Tom Hodson, then LSU's 19-year-old redshirt freshman quarterback, blames himself.

"The thing I remember is if I had been a more seasoned quarterback we could have won," said Hodson, who owns Independent Investment Services here with ex-LSU quarterbacks Mickey Guidry and Jesse Daigle.

"It was my second start and I made mistakes. An experienced quarterback could have limited those mistakes. If I had been a year older, wiser, I could pulled us out of that game."

Every now and then Hodson is around someone at a game or at the grocery store when he hears someone bring up Miami of Ohio.

"Yeah," Hodson says, "I was the quarterback."

A ranked LSU team has only lost to an unranked opponent seven times since then, so it's not surprising that for many the loss is imprinted in the memory.

LSU coach Nick Saban said Monday he may show these Tigers, who were mostly 2 to 7 years old that night, a film of that game to remind them of what could happen.

That or they could pass by Ausberry's office, and he could show them his pen and pencil set.

 

[djv]

I targeted LSU this year for some go against plays. After last year believe line will be to high first half of season. Saban has some nice number vs the spread. That is one trend I do pay attention to. However that two can work against LSU as it may inflated lines. I also note LSU as a fav at home is 10 & 22 of late. So Miami looks good here.

 

[hellah10]

Take the mans money :bigun: :jump:

 

[boozee11]

hellah make sure you note this

hellah make sure you note this

miami will have to stack the box to have any chance of stopping the run; therefore, i feel it will be easier for mauck(although he is not looking good) to throw. clayton ,robinson,myers,brizell,etc will be open---wide open. even mauck will be able to hit them.
i am one who feels mauck is better than the first two games but how much better i don't know. he will be the key to the game and may you his feet to open up his passing game.
i am not sure if this will have any effect on the final outcome but is certainly possible. i look for the tigers t ocoast with miami feeling a little down after letting a big fish (err,bird) get away last week.
lsu 38-miami,oh 17

side note...you are the cut-and-paste king. how do you do shit like that.

 

[loophole]

i'll probably end up among the miami backers come saturday. redhawks have a nice winning recond on the road over the last five years. here's a little piece that came out of baton rouge on wednesday:





Practice troubles, sloppy play plague Tigers
Saban frustrated with execution, pace of preparation

LSU head coach Nick Saban wanted to talk about anything but practice at Wednesday?s press conference.?
Although he said he was encouraged by the progress made by the offense, the defense struggled through practice in picking up on the no-huddle offense of Miami (Ohio).
?We?ve got a scout team that?s trying to run [Miami?s] plays,? he said. ?It?s hard enough when you put them in the huddle, tell them what to do and show them a card. But when you try to do it without a huddle, it makes it difficult.?
Saban said the inconsistency in mimicking the no-huddle offense had an adverse effect on the play of the defense. This led to a poor practice that seemed to frustrate the coach.
?Even though I think our scouts have done a phenomenal job, relative to the situation of trying to do it, it still makes for a little bit of a sloppy practice,? Saban said. ?It?s not the kind of tempo in practice that you?d like to have, but that?s the way you?ve got to do it to play better in the game.?
Saban said he hopes the sloppiness does not carry over into the game by affecting the mindset of the players. He also said in all his years of coaching, he has never prepared a defense for a team that plays a no-huddle because it disrupts the players? routine.
?It?s really difficult on the defensive players because the pace of practice is faster,? Saban said.
Saban said he intends to use a lot of nickel and dime defensive packages, featuring up to six players in the secondary. Defensive backs Corey Webster and Jack Hunt will see the majority of the playing time in these situations.
The key for LSU to win the game will be controlling the ball on offense, not giving up big plays on defense and winning the turnover ratio, Saban said.
Sophomore quarterback Matt Mauck echoed Saban?s thoughts.
?Obviously, it?s important to have ball control, especially in this game,? he said. ?They?re a very good offense. Our defense has been helping us out the first two games, so we need to kind of help them out this game.?
Offensively, the team has made progress in practice, particularly in the passing game.
?They seem to have a little better timing,? Saban said. ?Things seem to start falling into place better.?
Mauck said he has worked all fall on throwing the deep pass.
?We?ve done it the whole time,? he said. ?It?s taking a little while to get that clicking in the games.?
Saban said Miami is a dangerous team because mid-major teams are often overlooked. But Miami has a very talented quarterback in Ben Roethlisberger, who broke the Miami single-season records for passing yards (3,105) and touchdowns (25).
?[Miami] beat North Carolina, which beat Auburn last year in the Peach Bowl,? Mauck said. ?They?ve already beaten teams comparable to us.?
Injuries
Sophomore center Ben Wilkerson (knee) is listed as questionable for Saturday?s game. Junior tight end Eric Edwards, who injured a tendon in his foot against Virginia Tech, will most likely sit out against Miami.
?[Edwards] is a little farther away from being able to play in a game and I probably would doubt if he plays,? Saban said. ?If he could practice tomorrow, we would evaluate it after the practice.?

 

[redsfann]

Great information,

Great information,

fellas...... Had the pleasure of being able to watch the Iowa/Miami(oh) game last Saturday as it was an ESPN Plus broadcast.

While the final score was close(half a point too close for me..DOH!) there really was no doubt as to who was going to win that game once Miami scored to take the lead.

Iowa had controled the game on the ground and despite the terrible coaching(by the Iowa coaching staff) the talent and conditioning of the Iowa team overcame it and marched down the field, regained the lead, stopped the Miami offense, then pounded the football between the tackles and ate up the remaining time in the game. Iowa ended the game at Miami's 8 yd line and could have scored at will if it needed to.

Was not in the least impressed with Miami's junk offense. They only rushed for 14 total yards in the game and didn't attempt a rush in the 4th Quarter at all. Thats quite scary when you realize that Iowa only returns one starter from last years defensive line and a team still can only rush for 14 yards in the game against them.

Thats why I think Iowa State wins fairly easily this week in Iowa City. Iowa has not faced a balanced team yet this season, and Iowa State is certainly that. Toss in Seneca Wallace-- one of the top QBs in the country-- and those 3.5 points are looking mighty tasty.
The only way they even moved the ball on Iowa for most of the game was to exploit the matchup of their 6 foot 5 inch receiver and Iowa's 5 foot 8 inch defensive back.

And I'm not even gonna comment on the Miami coaching staff's crying about the officials. What a bunch of BS-- tells me that coaching staff-- and probably the whole team-- thinks they really are a better football team than they are-- and they are not. They are a pathetic, one gimmic MAC team that would get crushed playing a high quality squad. It doesn't sound as if LSU is that team, but I wouldn't be suprised in the least if LSU beat Miami by 30+ points. No chance at all of me laying the points with LSU, either.

Good luck if you pull the trigger on this one, gang.......

 

[hellah10]

Re: hellah make sure you note this

Re: hellah make sure you note this

side note...you are the cut-and-paste king. how do you do shit like that.

Is that a bad thing?

 

[hellah10]

HELLAH10s OVERVIEW

Ok Iam gonna go ahead and add Miami(OH) to make it 3 MAC plays for this weekend, based on 3 reasons

1 - The dumbest reason known to man - I figured one on the 2 MAC dogs will bite - Marshall or Miami(OH) - Marshall didnt cover...so I figure Miami will.

2 - Coniditioning!!!! Nick Saban babies his players....how do I know this??! My brother played for Nick Saban AND Gary Pinkel...and he said that two-a-days where CAKE compared to Pinkels. He said it was almost like high school. If it wasnt for Sabans dumb conditioning program....Toledo would of wen 11-0 rather then 9-2! Hell, even at Michigan St. there were problems in strength and conditioning. I think Miami is veryy well conditioned, and are well coached....despite him crying to the NCAA.

3 - Iam not sold on LSU at all. I think this team lost TONS of big time players. Theres no question that the talent is there - however, Muack is a Shmuck and so are the WRs. Miami has some things that Marshall doesnt...they run the ball and they have people who know how to wrap and tackle. Now they didnt run that much against Iowa, not sure why though.... Iam not saying they can go to Blacksburgh and win...Iam saying they are a pretty darn good football team. Now IMO I think Miami should of beat Iowa...those refs DID blow tons of calls...and you kinda figured that it would come down to that considering Iowa wouldnt have done the 1-1 deal if there were no Big 10 officials. Butt Heppner did go way overboard on the subject...so there both wrong! But despite a losing effort - Miami proved they can play and even Iowa fans admit that (http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewforum.php?f=2)

I think Miami has played in enough big games...and wont be gittered or nervous going to Baton Rouge. They played at Michigan...at Iowa at UNC...at someother places..I forget them all. LSU has to prove to me that they can handle 4 WRs....they gotta prove to me that they can stop Big Ben. Miami WILL run this ball...this is NOT Marshall do not mix the 2 up here. Miami loves to run the ball.....you Iowa fans who watched the game saw that. They pass run pass pass run play action...then its a screen....then a draw...Very balanced...very good.

Good Luck

 

[TIME TO MAKE $$$]

Omar,

Thanks for all the info,

You are the PIMP of info!!

:weed: :thumb:

 

[hellah10]

LOL you like my first reason hahah

Maybe I was better off picking them out of a hat