Hitler as a lefty, lol. Well he was a vegetarian and loved animals. Hehe, might have been a member of PETA today. :mj07:
More history for Mr. Kosar
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The left wing academia and media have said that hitler was at the "extreme right" for several reasons.
1. Because they were opposed by the communists of Russia.
2. Because they are "nationalists"
3. Because they are "racists"
None of these 3 tenets has anything to do with conservatism.
Of course you liberals will laugh at me because you have been brainwashed to do so.
Show me the evidence where Nazism has anything to do with conservative ideology.
I showed you 7 tenets as to why it resembles left wing ideology.
Mr.Christo, the genius from Australia, thinks we teach creationism in the classroom and also thinks that nationalism is "nationalizing business, health care, police force, etc. etc."
LMAO
1. Because they were opposed by the communists of Russia.
2. Because they are "nationalists"
3. Because they are "racists"
None of these 3 tenets has anything to do with conservatism.
Of course you liberals will laugh at me because you have been brainwashed to do so.
Show me the evidence where Nazism has anything to do with conservative ideology.
I showed you 7 tenets as to why it resembles left wing ideology.
Mr.Christo, the genius from Australia, thinks we teach creationism in the classroom and also thinks that nationalism is "nationalizing business, health care, police force, etc. etc."
LMAO
Whenever you've heard the lie over and over again that Hitler was a right wing, you scoff at anything differnet.
Obviously, you have refused to break down critically what was presented to you by your Marxist professors, who had to legitimize their own beliefs, by calling Nazism their polar opposite.
Its ridiculous nonsense and must be exposed as I am trying to do here.
I presented 7 things that Hitler stood for that are in fact polar opposites of right wing ideology.
How could he be the "extreme right wing" when he was against right wing tenets?
And if you are a political science person, lets engage in a little discussion instead of just rhetoric which you digested without tasting.
Seems to me that you folks are dodging my reasoning.
Obviously, you have refused to break down critically what was presented to you by your Marxist professors, who had to legitimize their own beliefs, by calling Nazism their polar opposite.
Its ridiculous nonsense and must be exposed as I am trying to do here.
I presented 7 things that Hitler stood for that are in fact polar opposites of right wing ideology.
How could he be the "extreme right wing" when he was against right wing tenets?
And if you are a political science person, lets engage in a little discussion instead of just rhetoric which you digested without tasting.
Seems to me that you folks are dodging my reasoning.
Show me the evidence where Nazism has anything to do with conservative ideology
Oh dear, apparently reading isn't one of your strong suits either. The amusement of banging your head on a wall does come to an end fairly quickly, doesn't it.
You laugh at my refutes to point 2, and half of point 7...how about some answers to 1, 3, 5, 6 and 7b?...Or don't bother, 'cause I'm just about over this thread aswell.
Oh dear, apparently reading isn't one of your strong suits either. The amusement of banging your head on a wall does come to an end fairly quickly, doesn't it.
You laugh at my refutes to point 2, and half of point 7...how about some answers to 1, 3, 5, 6 and 7b?...Or don't bother, 'cause I'm just about over this thread aswell.
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because you didnt refute anything i said
frankly, you are a numbskull for some of your stiupid ignorant assertions about Bush, America, nationalism, inability to realize that gun control is a left wing tenet
you acknowledged that Nazi Germany was a police state, with tight government control of citiczen behavior similar to left wing regimes that were all over Eastern Europe in the latter half of the last century and you call this a refute? LMAO
Christians were condemned as right wing fanatics and you "refute" this by talking about how Catholics are rewriting history?
thats me telling you I am holding an apple and you saying I am not because you are in your house
totally illogical and incoherent mindless babble
frankly, you are a numbskull for some of your stiupid ignorant assertions about Bush, America, nationalism, inability to realize that gun control is a left wing tenet
you acknowledged that Nazi Germany was a police state, with tight government control of citiczen behavior similar to left wing regimes that were all over Eastern Europe in the latter half of the last century and you call this a refute? LMAO
Christians were condemned as right wing fanatics and you "refute" this by talking about how Catholics are rewriting history?
thats me telling you I am holding an apple and you saying I am not because you are in your house
totally illogical and incoherent mindless babble
Man, I hate when I get suckered into an argument on an internet board....
totally illogical and incoherent mindless babble
I do agree totally that there is more than a fair share of this in this thread...and it doesn't take a genious from Australia to see that it's you up against 7 in this thread.
Most of us are all for backing an underdog, but this is rediculous.
Just to change topic....
Tell me Freeze, are you really a doctor, or is it just a screen name? (Although I think you did say you were a doctor in another thread??)
1) You seem to have a real problem with 'academia'. Seems strange to me that a guy going/gone through 5 years of a doctors degree would be so rebelious against 'lefty' teachers/professors etc?
2) You said you were married? Suggests that you are older than a student? (Of course you may have married young, or taken up a medical course late, so no biggy)
3) I'll never forget you saying that homosexualality was purely a mental condition, because, 'no-one has ever found a gay gene!'...very strange comment from someone into medical issues I would have thought.
Feel totally free not to answer, and no offense intended....Just some of the things you say don't seem to add up to me....A bit of backyard psycology.....Not that I care or it's any big deal, simply curious.
(It's raining, I got nothing better to do than watch basketball and talk crap.)
totally illogical and incoherent mindless babble
I do agree totally that there is more than a fair share of this in this thread...and it doesn't take a genious from Australia to see that it's you up against 7 in this thread.
Most of us are all for backing an underdog, but this is rediculous.
Just to change topic....
Tell me Freeze, are you really a doctor, or is it just a screen name? (Although I think you did say you were a doctor in another thread??)
1) You seem to have a real problem with 'academia'. Seems strange to me that a guy going/gone through 5 years of a doctors degree would be so rebelious against 'lefty' teachers/professors etc?
2) You said you were married? Suggests that you are older than a student? (Of course you may have married young, or taken up a medical course late, so no biggy)
3) I'll never forget you saying that homosexualality was purely a mental condition, because, 'no-one has ever found a gay gene!'...very strange comment from someone into medical issues I would have thought.
Feel totally free not to answer, and no offense intended....Just some of the things you say don't seem to add up to me....A bit of backyard psycology.....Not that I care or it's any big deal, simply curious.
(It's raining, I got nothing better to do than watch basketball and talk crap.)
well, we deviated from the issue at hand, which was saying that Hitler and his party were more in line with left wing ideology than right wing ideology
why would i expect that 7 liberals who digested their marxist professor's rhetoric would think any differently refusing to analyze the positions?
as to your own personal questions
1. Academia in America are liberal. Professional academia such as doctors are more mainstream -- however you will find both conservatives and liberal leaning depending on where you are. University professors in the humanities are about 90% left wing. These are the people who write the textbooks and indoctrinate our youth. I had liberal professors and sometimes my grades suffered accordingly because some of these people are the most intolerant folks you can find of differing worldviews. Many of them represent the X-flies wing of the democratic party (to use a phrase coined by a conservative congressman).
2. Why must my marital status enter this discussion?
3. Why must this statement on homosexuality enter this discussion. I may have spoke otherwise, but my current belief is it is a behavioral problem. A psychological abnormality. Evidence does not show any genetic correlation despite millions of politically correct money spent on finding such a thing, and I find it funny how there are so many differnet sexual perversions/identities/variances even among homosexuals. Some even are straight and go gay and some are gay and go straight. This also leads me to think that a single or even multiple genetic mendelian triat is not responsible.
back to the topic at hand, i am waiting for coherent arguments to refute my points
why would i expect that 7 liberals who digested their marxist professor's rhetoric would think any differently refusing to analyze the positions?
as to your own personal questions
1. Academia in America are liberal. Professional academia such as doctors are more mainstream -- however you will find both conservatives and liberal leaning depending on where you are. University professors in the humanities are about 90% left wing. These are the people who write the textbooks and indoctrinate our youth. I had liberal professors and sometimes my grades suffered accordingly because some of these people are the most intolerant folks you can find of differing worldviews. Many of them represent the X-flies wing of the democratic party (to use a phrase coined by a conservative congressman).
2. Why must my marital status enter this discussion?
3. Why must this statement on homosexuality enter this discussion. I may have spoke otherwise, but my current belief is it is a behavioral problem. A psychological abnormality. Evidence does not show any genetic correlation despite millions of politically correct money spent on finding such a thing, and I find it funny how there are so many differnet sexual perversions/identities/variances even among homosexuals. Some even are straight and go gay and some are gay and go straight. This also leads me to think that a single or even multiple genetic mendelian triat is not responsible.
back to the topic at hand, i am waiting for coherent arguments to refute my points
djv said:
bush is liberal in some of his policies, some more liberal than clinton
we are dealing with ideology here....
if that concept is over your head, thats ok
OK, I'm trying to pin you down to a definition. You have come forward and called all of us arguing against you on this very odd topic a "Liberal". So - for the last time - definie it. I will no longer acknowledge anymore of your posts at all (which I should have been doing all along I guess) if you don't make at least a reasonable attempt at defining a "Liberal".
dr. freeze said:
Mate, I will concede you are a very funny man...If you're doing this for a laugh, then I love your work! Truly!!
ok...ok. So 90% of 'humanity' professors are 'liberal'...hmmm, I guess they'd be the ones that attempt to make you think for yourself?...Form some personal opinion on the world?...I mean honestly, ffs, by the time you are 18-19 you have a mind of your own, right? As I have said before, maybe there is a natural willingness to rebel at that age, but the vast majority of intelligent students have a mind totally capable of making their own decisions/moral judgements.
Are you therefore saying that 90% of College/Uni educated people have effectively been brainwashed?
And, yes, how very lucky for you that doctors are in the 10% of rational, shall we say moral people who have College degrees!! :clap:
2) Exactly as I said....It's a reasonable determination of age.
3) Exactly as I said....Just that. And, as I also said, it did have nothing to do with this discussion, and you were quite free not to answer or acknowlegde it.
7 liberals who digested their marxist professor's rhetoric??
I have studied Engineering, Economics, Human Movement and Psycology at Uni.
Psycology I can kind of understand, but why the hell would any professor, in any other disipline, have any reason to concern him/herself with 'Marxist'/leftist material??
You go to class, you are taught what you need, and you leave.
You're much more likely to hear 'Marxist' material in the bar afterwards...usually by some guy waving pamphlets and wearing patchy clothes.
Anyway, that's me....How about you other 7? Anyone do Philosophy or Sociology or Asian Studies or any other subject that our good Doctor might find as indoctrinating?
Anyway...at the risk of repeating stuff for the hundredth time....
nationalism over internationalism? he proclaimed over and over again the new world order!!
That's your 'proof' of Hitler's internationalism.
Most 'liberal' thinkers will, indeed, see the world as one place....no borders, no enclaves, no retrictions etc.
Hitler in your own example is the complete opposite!! He tried to 'expand' (for want of a better word) blonde haired, blue eyed Germans to populate the world at the expense of Jews, blacks, gays, etc. etc.
CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT??
Rather than seeing the world as one 'nation', he tried to make one nation the world.
As I said earlier, it sounds like your mate DTB's ideal 'utopian world'....Everyone uniform, no-one disagrees with government etc.....So, DTB is a liberal?***
Isn't the left the side that constantly is categorizing people according to their race?
Already been answered, but it deserves another, 'huh?'
No. You, as a right wing conservative, are the one on this board who talks about 'them' and 'us'. 'Them: Muslims', 'Them: homosexuals', 'Us: moral crusaders'. 'THOSE tsumami victims wouldn't help US.'
The list goes on.
You said that Nazi's re-wrote history, so, I said, is the Catholic Church. Does that, then make the church left-wing nuts, or Nazis? (or both in your mind?)
And, yes, you may even be right that the anti-gun lobby is left-wing....IN AMERICA!
I'm here, telling you now, that gun control and tighter gun laws were brought about as a reactionary policy to our worst ever mass-killing. (Port Arthur). It was brought about by the current government, which is one of the most conservative goverments in the last 20 years. Fact.
As a couple of others have said, you can pick and choose almost any policy of any government and determine it to be 'liberal' or conservative, (sorry, 'moral' in your case), depending on your own point of view.
So, really guys, when you think about it, Hitler just maybe, wasn't as far right as Mr. Freeze, therefore appearing slightly left to our ultra conservative brother.
Guess he's been right all along.
*** Not insinuating at all that DTB is a Nazi.
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