N Korea Kills Shark

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There mighty missile made it 43 seconds and hit two sharks in the ocean some ware. Funny how they timed this with or shuttle launch. They failed.
How ever governments are running in circles about this last crap just what N Korea wants. Attention.
 

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Heard an interesting comment on radio a few minutes ago...that the Koreans are purposly "throwing the launches" to make it seem as if they don't have the technology to make them work....
 

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Tony Snow is at the podium telling us how horrific n.korea is and the human etrocities


When does this phucking meddling stop must everyday be a new act for arms contracts?

What about home first
 
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Pujo21 for last two weeks our Mr Bush said the firing of missile is unacceptable. Today Snow was spinning those remarks as fast as he could.
 

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I wish they'd just aim their guns a little to the north. Let's let the Chinese take care of these idiots.
 

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Axle said:
Heard an interesting comment on radio a few minutes ago...that the Koreans are purposly "throwing the launches" to make it seem as if they don't have the technology to make them work....

They also throw food away to make it seem like they all aren't slowly starving. Crazy like foxes, they are.
 

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"I wish they'd just aim their guns a little to the north. Let's let the Chinese take care of these idiots."

I think the option of putting nukes in Japan may bring China to its senses on NK. They will be faced with the worser of evils--the entire country of korea turning into democracy in future or Japan with Nukes.Little secret of China's distain for Japan--as they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Chinese during war execution style.
 

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Yes China/Japan deep hate there. It don't show but it's there. And we hoping China will do better job of taking care of this. Well I believe China likes it when were pressured. They do have a strong card they cold play with N Korea. Such as N Korea gets 40% of there energy needs and 30% food from China. So China can stop this fast if they really wanted to.
 

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So China can stop this fast if they really wanted to.

They definitely could stop it in about 2 minutes, but like you say, they don't mind us being pressured at all.

Also, if they cut off their support (food, oil) to North Korea, they would almost certainly have a huge refugee problem with hundreds of thousands or more Koreans pouring over their border.

They will never support or vote for any meaningful UN santions on NK. And if I were in their position, I wouldn't either.

Let's face it, they are pretty strong allies with NK, whether implicitly or explicitly, or both I guess in a way.
 

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They definitely could stop it in about 2 minutes, but like you say, they don't mind us being pressured at all.

Also, if they cut off their support (food, oil) to North Korea, they would almost certainly have a huge refugee problem with hundreds of thousands or more Koreans pouring over their border.

They will never support or vote for any meaningful UN santions on NK. And if I were in their position, I wouldn't either.

Let's face it, they are pretty strong allies with NK, whether implicitly or explicitly, or both I guess in a way.


the u.s. should reverse it & put the pressure on china by building up japan's & s. korea's military. i think that will make china change it's way pretty quickly.
 

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totally agree with kosar,sixfive and ar182.....(this is no fun)...

this crap disappears if china so desires....only,they don`t desire it to disappear...

gotta think this worries japan quite a bit..they keep launching despite the three stage fazizzle in the majizzle.....the law of averages is gonna catch up with `em and one of these babies is gonna fall on tokyo....

looks like more missiles on the launchpad....
from cnn....

""In follow-up to the impressive performance of the limp o'dong 2, fearless leader kim jong il plans to send up the dinkydong-1, the dingaling and the "pen-sildik"-7.""


i kid.....but,seriously.... It would take very little to throw the u.s. into utter chaos....presuming that little kim is suicidally insane (a safe bet) all he has to do is get one rinky-dink, cheap and dirty warhead lefted high enough over u.s. airspace that it can generate an e.m.p. strong enough to knock out a large portion of the nation's communications infrastructure, as well as damage millions of critical computer systems, networks, etc.....

or he could simply get off a lucky shot at honolulu.....

i think those who seriously dismiss these people as hopelessly backward are kidding themselves....

even a drooling 98 pound weakling can kill you if he has a pipe wrench and gets the drop on you....

once despots get wmd`s,all bets are off..the game changes forever.....

and that goes triple for the middle east...
 

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the u.s. should reverse it & put the pressure on china by building up japan's & s. korea's military. i think that will make china change it's way pretty quickly.

We could but we won't, because agitating China isn't the planl.

China's economy growing so strong that in many aspects, they look more like capitalists than communists. That couldn't happen without the market for Chinese goods over here. China's silence on several issues (Iran and Mid East mainly) and the general witholding of negative comments on any US policy is what we "bought".
 

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AR182 said:
the u.s. should reverse it & put the pressure on china by building up japan's & s. korea's military. i think that will make china change it's way pretty quickly.

Can't agree there, Al. For one thing, per the Japanese constitution, they are generally only allowed defensive weapons. We are already helping them with a missle defense system and i'm not sure there's much more we can do there. We have airbases there, of course, but there really isn't any opportunity to 'build up' their military.

As far as South Korea goes, again, there isn't much we can do. They have a VERY capable and sizable military and already get a lot of technological help from us, along with our 36,000 troops. There really isn't much more we can do to up the ante other than deploying nukes on the peninsula and that opens up another whole can of worms with China.

On top of all that, I believe that even if the above was possible, it would have the exact opposite effect in regards to China. They would/will never back down to us, especially if we are being aggressive(in whatever way) in that part of the world.

If we could actually do that, it would embolden their relationship with NK. No question in my mind.

Bottom line is that we'd(along with South Korea) win a war with NK, but the entire peninsula would be absloutely devastated for several, if not many, decades. South Korea has such an enormous amount to lose compared to NK.

That's why South Korea is preaching diplomacy and really isn't very far off the Russia/China stance.

I fell in love with that country(SK-obviously) in my 18 months there and if you guys think I prattle on too much about this Iraq thing, you haven't seen anything yet if war breaks out in Korea.

If the north invades like in 1950, then we have no choice, but the utter desctruction would be beyond comprehension. It's such a small country, they would virtually decimate our meager force there within hours.

Seoul is considered 'south' in Army terms when stationed there(I would have loved that assignment), but it is within easy artillery range. Our major posts there are within mortar range.

The deaths to SK civilians, SK soldiers, our soldiers/airmen and of course our NK counterparts would be staggering.

Seoul is the third largest city in the world and is highly crowded density wise. It's a very small city, area wise, in relation to the population.

Eventually, we would send massive re-inforcements (assuming we aren't still in Iraq), and win, but South Korea would never be the same and we wouldn't probably be either, in different ways.

Then you have the wild card of what China would do, with us inevitably advancing into NK and towards their border. We saw what they did in the 50's.

Sorry for rambling, but that region is near and dear to my heart I can get a 'little' windy.
 

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why wouldn`t japan and s.korea nuke up?.......not to mention taiwan....certainly not because of the technology.....and certainly not because they can`t afford to.....

why would successful,progessive westernized nations continue to allow themselves to be blackmailed by kim....lobbing missiles over japan any time he damn well pleases....

while china and russia continue to allow their proxies to thimb their noses at the civilized world.....

why?...because he has nukes.....and they don`t....and he can....theres nothing to stop him...

that`s why allowing saddam or iran to gain a nuclear foothold in the middle east is unthinkable...it can`t be chanced...

diplomacy hasn`t worked....

and we`re gettting "gullivered" all over the world...

i keep hearing that we can`t close pandora`s box....

the u.n. is a joke...

the only thing left is m.a.d....

it`s time for OUR allies to step up to the plate and wipe their own asses...
 

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why wouldn`t japan and s.korea nuke up?.......not to mention taiwan....

You know damn well that Japan can't, and never will. They can't, and never will even have an offensive arsenal. Much less nukes on the island.

why would successful,progessive westernized nations continue to allow themselves to be blackmailed by kim....lobbing missiles over japan any time he damn well pleases....

Not sure what your alternative is. His missles don't threaten Europe, much less us. If one of his missles would ever hit Japan or SK, then there we go, I guess.

while china and russia continue to allow their proxies to thimb their noses at the civilized world.....

That will never change. So let's go from there as far as the security of the US is concerned. Constantly whining about European countries, China and Russia and their attitudes don't change anything.

why?...because he has nukes.....and they don`t....and he can....theres nothing to stop him...

Hmmm...maybe. He sure *wants* us to think he does. Hasn't been confirmed by anybody. Granted, confirmation comes with a difficulty. If he has a nuke warhead that can reach even Japan, i'd be surprised.

Within minutes, his country would be absolutley destroyed if he did that(nukes in Japan), and that assumes he even has the capability....doubt it.


that`s why allowing saddam or iran to gain a nuclear foothold in the middle east is unthinkable...it can`t be chanced...

diplomacy hasn`t worked....

Whatever. Saddam was nowhere near producing any sort of nuke. He didn't even have an active program. Just keep talking about Osirak from 1981. He *wanted* one, of course, like every other country.

the u.n. is a joke...

No question, in many ways. China and Russia will NEVER vote with us on these sorts of things. And as long as they have veto power then the UN is, as always, rendered useless.


it`s time for OUR allies to step up to the plate and wipe their own asses...

They really aren't our allies. Mostly, anyways. Turkey? Egypt? UAE(lol), Saudi Arabia? The UK? Ok, but they have a hell of a lot more to give than what they've given in Iraq. We've given almost anything and everything, so let's do the math.
 

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""You know damn well that Japan can't, and never will. They can't, and never will even have an offensive arsenal. Much less nukes on the island.""

i know no such thing...laws,treaties,agreements and rules of engagement have gone the way of the do-do bird....

n.korea doesn`t observe any treaties...al qaeda and the sunnis(and iranian ageants) in iraq could give a shit about the geneva convention....

saddam can flip the bird to 15 u.n. resolutions....

iran can invade u.s. territory (the embassy) and hold american citizens hostage for months.......

the west will learn...sooner rather than later....

i`ll be curious to see what happens if one of kim`s missiles over shoots the sea of japan and lands in yokohama or tokyo....what i`m saying is with japanese technology and their economy they could out-gun, if not out-man, the chinese and north koreans within a reasonable time frame.....

they are a sleeping giant...

i wonder how we`d abide some nation lobbing test missiles into san francisco bay?....

bad form...and very dangerous...

""Not sure what your alternative is. His missles don't threaten Europe, much less us. If one of his missles would ever hit Japan or SK, then there we go, I guess.""

there`s the rub...right now,i`d guess that we`re the only thing standing between n.korea/china and s.korea/japan/taiwan......and i`m not sure what we could do in a conventional war in the far east on short notice...not to much,i`d guess...

if someone`s shooting a rifle over your roof,you wait until someone gets hit and then, "there we go,i guess?"...

really?.....you`re that passive?...it`s o.k. for the unstable to keep chipping away at the law of averages?..

whoa.....

the way i see it is that n.korea`s nothing more than china`s puppet....it seems clear now n.k. has the o.k.of china(and russia) to keep acting foolish....

2 members of the u.n. are constantly acting in bad faith, solely for the purposes of obstruction and triangulation, effectively using it as a tool to diminish u.s. power and security(our membership in the u.n. is a serious harm to our nations security,imo.....literally,it could get us killed.....in a sane world, the u.s. would drop out of the u.n. and turn it into condos)....

so, what is the purpose of this entity?..

i`ll take flak for this, but,i think iran,china, russia and north korea are in kahoots at some level....maybe even have a plan....and it does not include us...

a good time for iran to make a bold move....they already basically have an army in iraq....

the world is a chess board now...when the board is set the moves will begin...

i hope we`ve got our heads in the game...
 
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great job guys, esp kosar and gardenweasel. An intelligent debate about a current issue and after 3 replys it doesnt turn into name calling. A rare thing around here. Anyways just wanted to thank you guys for posting
 

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We must remember they estimate 2500 long range canons are pointed at Soul. Thy been there and on stand by since armistice was sign 53. We can't get them all. And this is N Korea's first way to prevent being attacked and remains that way. They do fear us. They know if China had not helped them in the 50's. They were going down. They don't know if they can count on China any longer. On other hand they know China does not want to help us to much either. So we get to where we are today.
 

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i agree with gw.

you can't let these dictators or rogue regime's hold the world hostage to their whims.

that's another reason why saddam had to go.

and why the iran gov't. & n. korean gov't. to be toppled.

it's too bad that other countries don't see this.

they will keep dragging their feet until it's too late.
 
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